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		<title>By: Brian Macker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Macker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It should be the most &quot;misused&quot; books. Like Triumph said books don&#039;t screw up the world, people do. That said these books all have had some seriously adverse effects when misused by men.&quot;

Really?  What is the proper use of Mein Kampf?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"It should be the most "misused" books. Like Triumph said books don't screw up the world, people do. That said these books all have had some seriously adverse effects when misused by men."</p>
<p>Really?  What is the proper use of Mein Kampf?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Macker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Macker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can&#039;t blame the book then you can&#039;t blame the author of the book as that breaks the causual chain.   If the book didn&#039;t contribute to some problem then certainly the author can&#039;t be for it either.

If you go that route I don&#039;t see why you wouldn&#039;t make the same claims about speeches and the like.  In which case you&#039;ve completely thrown out the legal concepts of incitement to violence, defamation, libel and the like.

So I think this goes too far.    Books themselves are vehicles of communication and if the lead to behaviorial changes that a resonable person would predict then I don&#039;t see why the book (or newspaper) couldn&#039;t be found responsible and therefore the author of the book.   I can think of many examples where this is a reasonable thing to do.    Defame someone in a newspaper and if that gets them unjustly convicted of a crime by tainting the jury pool then I don&#039;t see how causally you could ONLY blame the author of the article.  After all if the newspaper didn&#039;t exist then the information would not have been communicated as effectively.

In the case of Marxism the philosophy itself is responsible for much harm without the extraneous evils perpetrated by some of the most powerful leaders.  Strictly following Marxian economic doctrine naturally leads to starvation, poverty an the like.   It also shares with Nazism and other vile ideologies the kind of scapegoating that naturally leads humans to do other harm.

Of course no book or philosophy can be morally responsible in and of itself.   We certainly aren&#039;t going to go around punishing books.   Nor does the fact that I have a Quran mean that it is responsible for any evil sitting on my bookshelf.  It isn&#039;t responsible for any specific act of evil till someone picks it up, reads it, believes it, then acts on the evil perscriptions therein.

Marxs books have in many cases been responsible for evil in just this way causally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can't blame the book then you can't blame the author of the book as that breaks the causual chain.   If the book didn't contribute to some problem then certainly the author can't be for it either.</p>
<p>If you go that route I don't see why you wouldn't make the same claims about speeches and the like.  In which case you've completely thrown out the legal concepts of incitement to violence, defamation, libel and the like.</p>
<p>So I think this goes too far.    Books themselves are vehicles of communication and if the lead to behaviorial changes that a resonable person would predict then I don't see why the book (or newspaper) couldn't be found responsible and therefore the author of the book.   I can think of many examples where this is a reasonable thing to do.    Defame someone in a newspaper and if that gets them unjustly convicted of a crime by tainting the jury pool then I don't see how causally you could ONLY blame the author of the article.  After all if the newspaper didn't exist then the information would not have been communicated as effectively.</p>
<p>In the case of Marxism the philosophy itself is responsible for much harm without the extraneous evils perpetrated by some of the most powerful leaders.  Strictly following Marxian economic doctrine naturally leads to starvation, poverty an the like.   It also shares with Nazism and other vile ideologies the kind of scapegoating that naturally leads humans to do other harm.</p>
<p>Of course no book or philosophy can be morally responsible in and of itself.   We certainly aren't going to go around punishing books.   Nor does the fact that I have a Quran mean that it is responsible for any evil sitting on my bookshelf.  It isn't responsible for any specific act of evil till someone picks it up, reads it, believes it, then acts on the evil perscriptions therein.</p>
<p>Marxs books have in many cases been responsible for evil in just this way causally.</p>
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		<title>By: bullet</title>
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		<dc:creator>bullet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the Koran and the Bible?

Those two have royally screwed up the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the Koran and the Bible?</p>
<p>Those two have royally screwed up the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Pharyngula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pharyngula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 15:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Two book lists...&lt;/strong&gt;

 I&#039;ve been sent two lists of &quot;10 Books That Screwed Up the World&quot;, and I&#039;m not very impressed with either of them. The first is from a new book by Benjamin Wanker Wiker of the same title, published by......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Two book lists...</strong></p>
<p> I've been sent two lists of "10 Books That Screwed Up the World", and I'm not very impressed with either of them. The first is from a new book by Benjamin Wanker Wiker of the same title, published by......</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 21:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brainy, that book only attempts to screw up the minds of adolescent males, which is like p*ssing in a swamp - there&#039;s not much difference in the end state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brainy, that book only attempts to screw up the minds of adolescent males, which is like p*ssing in a swamp - there's not much difference in the end state.</p>
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		<title>By: brainy435</title>
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		<dc:creator>brainy435</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 02:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So did &quot;Catcher in the Rye&quot; at least get an honorable mention?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So did "Catcher in the Rye" at least get an honorable mention?</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 11:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great posting! Let&#039;s see more of this. How about the same list from the liberal point of view? I&#039;m sure they would start with the Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great posting! Let's see more of this. How about the same list from the liberal point of view? I'm sure they would start with the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 04:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ulysees get a vote here for sheer -----.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ulysees get a vote here for sheer -----.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 03:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good one Michael! What would they put on the victim&#039;s TOME STONE??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one Michael! What would they put on the victim's TOME STONE??</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 01:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, since I, uh, I mean they were socially inept, it limited the damage it could do to the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since I, uh, I mean they were socially inept, it limited the damage it could do to the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick DeMent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick DeMent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 22:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and how did Atlas Shrugged not make the list? God that book did more to spawn pseudo-economic claptrap then any other tome on the planet. It the bible to a entire generation of socially inept high school boys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and how did Atlas Shrugged not make the list? God that book did more to spawn pseudo-economic claptrap then any other tome on the planet. It the bible to a entire generation of socially inept high school boys.</p>
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		<title>By: Cernig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cernig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minis don&#039;t kill people, people driving fast cars while staring at minis kill people. (Unless the car is a mini, of course).

Regards, C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minis don't kill people, people driving fast cars while staring at minis kill people. (Unless the car is a mini, of course).</p>
<p>Regards, C</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fearing that Wiker had passed through St. John&#039;s College (apparently not, whew!), I &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salvationhistory.com/mission/staff/wikercv.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;found his CV&lt;/a&gt;, which suggests the title of his next book:  &lt;i&gt;10 Garments That Screwed Up the World (or Set the World to Screwing)&lt;/i&gt;:

&quot;Don’t Wear That Mini to Mass&quot; Crisis (April 2001)

&quot;Drawing a Hemline: Sexual Modesty and the Pursuit of Wisdom&quot; Crisis (July/August 2000)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fearing that Wiker had passed through St. John's College (apparently not, whew!), I <a href="http://www.salvationhistory.com/mission/staff/wikercv.cfm" rel="nofollow">found his CV</a>, which suggests the title of his next book:  <i>10 Garments That Screwed Up the World (or Set the World to Screwing)</i>:</p>
<p>"Don&rsquo;t Wear That Mini to Mass" Crisis (April 2001)</p>
<p>"Drawing a Hemline: Sexual Modesty and the Pursuit of Wisdom" Crisis (July/August 2000)</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;How Nietzsche’s Beyond Good and Evil issued the call for a world ruled solely by the “will to power”&lt;/em&gt; 

OMG, the stupid, it &lt;i&gt;burns&lt;/i&gt;.

Now, I don&#039;t know if I agree w/ JJ that the satirical nature of &lt;i&gt;The Prince&lt;/i&gt; is really an agreed-upon fact.  It&#039;s a theory about the book, but I for one have never thought that it&#039;s really all that different from the &lt;i&gt;Discourses&lt;/i&gt; -- different audiences seem to matter.

I also wonder how &lt;i&gt;The Golden Bough&lt;/i&gt; failed to make the cut, unless teaching that Christianity is one superstition among many is less pernicious than the alleged misdeeds of the listed books.

--Btw, the Amazon reviews are a hoot, not to be missed -- click JJ&#039;s link in the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>How Nietzsche&rsquo;s Beyond Good and Evil issued the call for a world ruled solely by the “will to power”</em> </p>
<p>OMG, the stupid, it <i>burns</i>.</p>
<p>Now, I don't know if I agree w/ JJ that the satirical nature of <i>The Prince</i> is really an agreed-upon fact.  It's a theory about the book, but I for one have never thought that it's really all that different from the <i>Discourses</i> -- different audiences seem to matter.</p>
<p>I also wonder how <i>The Golden Bough</i> failed to make the cut, unless teaching that Christianity is one superstition among many is less pernicious than the alleged misdeeds of the listed books.</p>
<p>--Btw, the Amazon reviews are a hoot, not to be missed -- click JJ's link in the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So the &#039;Books don&#039;t kill people, People kill people&#039; argument holds. &lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;m pretty sure War and Peace could kill someone, depending on velocity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So the 'Books don't kill people, People kill people' argument holds. </p></blockquote>
<p>I'm pretty sure War and Peace could kill someone, depending on velocity.</p>
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