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	<title>Comments on: 75% of Baghdad Secure, Up from 8%</title>
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		<title>By: ConservativeKicks.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;75% of Baghdad Secure, Up from 8% ...&lt;/strong&gt;

You&#039;ve been kicked (a good thing) - Trackback from ConservativeKicks.com...</description>
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<p>You've been kicked (a good thing) - Trackback from ConservativeKicks.com...</p>
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		<title>By: Bandit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dems can&#039;t stand the agony of victory. American victory anyhow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dems can't stand the agony of victory. American victory anyhow.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We’re not nearly as close a year the Surge this as hoped&lt;/blockquote&gt;What?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We&rsquo;re not nearly as close a year the Surge this as hoped</p></blockquote>
<p>What?</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tlaloc,

Do you have any evidence to go with that or did it come out of the same orifice that Obama got his position on why Anabar has gotten so much safer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tlaloc,</p>
<p>Do you have any evidence to go with that or did it come out of the same orifice that Obama got his position on why Anabar has gotten so much safer.</p>
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		<title>By: Tano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing what a little ethnic cleansing can do for the stability of neighborhoods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing what a little ethnic cleansing can do for the stability of neighborhoods.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the next question is &quot;so what&quot;. If the Iraqis take the lead in November 2008 vs November 2007, what real impact is that going to have 10 years from now. Or to put it another way, just because the political side isn&#039;t happening as fast as predicted or wished for does that mean we would be better off running away?

Unless you can predict a reasonable strategy change (like the surge was for violence reduction), then you have to keep going. Saying if we run away it will force them to move faster on the political than they are now is at best a debatable point (it could also force them into making a deal with AQ or Iran) and is one of those things that is pretty hard to return to the status quo if it doesn&#039;t work out (we could always reduce back to pre-surge numbers of troops is a good example of why the surge was not a &quot;destructive test&quot; option).

And remember, the left was complaining last year that the surge wouldn&#039;t help reduce the violence (e.g. Obama &lt;a href=&quot;http://purelypolitical.newsvine.com/_news/2008/01/14/1225303-the-surge-one-year-later-or-how-the-left-got-it-all-wrong?threadId=202691&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;I did not see anything in the speech or anything in the run- up to the speech that provides evidence that an additional 15,000 to 20,000 more U.S. troops is going to make a significant dent in the sectarian violence that&#039;s taking place there.&quot; &lt;/a&gt;), so now that they are predicting that no political progress is possible with the surge, I am skeptical.

I think the Obama quote is a good example of why someone who is so inexperienced in military affairs/thinking is not necessarily the best guy for being the commander in chief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the next question is "so what". If the Iraqis take the lead in November 2008 vs November 2007, what real impact is that going to have 10 years from now. Or to put it another way, just because the political side isn't happening as fast as predicted or wished for does that mean we would be better off running away?</p>
<p>Unless you can predict a reasonable strategy change (like the surge was for violence reduction), then you have to keep going. Saying if we run away it will force them to move faster on the political than they are now is at best a debatable point (it could also force them into making a deal with AQ or Iran) and is one of those things that is pretty hard to return to the status quo if it doesn't work out (we could always reduce back to pre-surge numbers of troops is a good example of why the surge was not a "destructive test" option).</p>
<p>And remember, the left was complaining last year that the surge wouldn't help reduce the violence (e.g. Obama <a href="http://purelypolitical.newsvine.com/_news/2008/01/14/1225303-the-surge-one-year-later-or-how-the-left-got-it-all-wrong?threadId=202691" rel="nofollow">"I did not see anything in the speech or anything in the run- up to the speech that provides evidence that an additional 15,000 to 20,000 more U.S. troops is going to make a significant dent in the sectarian violence that's taking place there." </a>), so now that they are predicting that no political progress is possible with the surge, I am skeptical.</p>
<p>I think the Obama quote is a good example of why someone who is so inexperienced in military affairs/thinking is not necessarily the best guy for being the commander in chief.</p>
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