Comments on: 9th Circuit Won’t Stop Guardsman’s Deployment http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/9th_circuit_wont_stop_guardsmans_deployment/ Online Journal of Politics and Foreign Affairs Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:16:02 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Michelangelo http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/9th_circuit_wont_stop_guardsmans_deployment/comment-page-1/#comment-42048 Michelangelo Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:44:27 +0000 /?p=9988#comment-42048 <blockquote>The guy was 17 when he signed the contract and was almost certainly lied to by his recruiters about the nature of what he was signing. Plus, he signed up for the statutory limit of 8 years not an indefinite commitment.</blockquote> He can still read, right? If the guy took the recruiter's word rather than reading the contract, it's his own damn fault. Personally, I think he understands quite well what the contract spells out and was just trying to use whatever legal argument he could to avoid performing his duty. <blockquote>If you’ve been in for 19 years, you’ve made a choice to re-enlist multiple times. He didn’t.</blockquote> He's not being forced to re-up, his enlistment has been extended due to the needs of the service. When the service doesn't need him anymore he is free to leave. Reality can be a hard teacher sometimes.

The guy was 17 when he signed the contract and was almost certainly lied to by his recruiters about the nature of what he was signing. Plus, he signed up for the statutory limit of 8 years not an indefinite commitment.

He can still read, right? If the guy took the recruiter's word rather than reading the contract, it's his own damn fault.

Personally, I think he understands quite well what the contract spells out and was just trying to use whatever legal argument he could to avoid performing his duty.

If you’ve been in for 19 years, you’ve made a choice to re-enlist multiple times. He didn’t.

He's not being forced to re-up, his enlistment has been extended due to the needs of the service. When the service doesn't need him anymore he is free to leave.

Reality can be a hard teacher sometimes.

]]> By: James Joyner http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/9th_circuit_wont_stop_guardsmans_deployment/comment-page-1/#comment-42027 James Joyner Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:29:31 +0000 /?p=9988#comment-42027 The guy was 17 when he signed the contract and was almost certainly lied to by his recruiters about the nature of what he was signing. Plus, he signed up for the statutory limit of 8 years not an indefinite commitment. If you've been in for 19 years, you've made a choice to re-enlist multiple times. He didn't. The guy was 17 when he signed the contract and was almost certainly lied to by his recruiters about the nature of what he was signing. Plus, he signed up for the statutory limit of 8 years not an indefinite commitment.

If you've been in for 19 years, you've made a choice to re-enlist multiple times. He didn't.

]]> By: Michelangelo http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/9th_circuit_wont_stop_guardsmans_deployment/comment-page-1/#comment-42026 Michelangelo Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:26:31 +0000 /?p=9988#comment-42026 Anyone who enlists should expect that they will be "stop-lossed" at least once during their career (for me it's been 3 or 4 times). It's right there in the contract--the needs of the service trump your needs, desires, and everything else about you, every time. If you can't handle that, don't sign on the dotted line. How difficult is that to understand? Yet here we have an individual who thinks HE can decide when he's done. After 19 years of service I have lost all patience with people like that. I tell them, "You knew what you were getting into," and if they claim they didn't, I say "Then you should have." We're not running a damn Cub Scout camp here. If you want to claim you are a responsible adult, you have to take responsibility for your own actions and where you sign your name. Anyone who enlists should expect that they will be "stop-lossed" at least once during their career (for me it's been 3 or 4 times). It's right there in the contract--the needs of the service trump your needs, desires, and everything else about you, every time. If you can't handle that, don't sign on the dotted line. How difficult is that to understand? Yet here we have an individual who thinks HE can decide when he's done.

After 19 years of service I have lost all patience with people like that. I tell them, "You knew what you were getting into," and if they claim they didn't, I say "Then you should have." We're not running a damn Cub Scout camp here. If you want to claim you are a responsible adult, you have to take responsibility for your own actions and where you sign your name.

]]> By: Fersboo http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/9th_circuit_wont_stop_guardsmans_deployment/comment-page-1/#comment-41985 Fersboo Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:03:31 +0000 /?p=9988#comment-41985 I'd wish they could 'stop-loss' me. After a month or two refresher/get-back-in-shape course, this 36 year old would relish the challenge of being a cavalry scout again. Otherwise, the wife's executive order received shortly after 9/11 trumps any desire for returning to the military. I'd wish they could 'stop-loss' me. After a month or two refresher/get-back-in-shape course, this 36 year old would relish the challenge of being a cavalry scout again. Otherwise, the wife's executive order received shortly after 9/11 trumps any desire for returning to the military.

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