I would say that support fo Black Liberation theorlogy, a position which Wright is known to hold, would qualify him, no?

But you haven't provided any evidence that Wright supports all aspects of Black Liberation theology. Is there any record of Rev. Wright himself saying that he adheres to all aspects of the philosophy, including the racist stuff? Where's your proof? Your assertion is akin to claiming that a politician is opposed to the death penalty simply because he is Catholic, without regard for whether the politician himself has gone on the record as opposing the death penalty.

I ask again--can you provide any contextual statements in which the Rev. Wright has expressed racist sentiments?

No, Obama IS, however, responsible for speaking up against that sitation.

So John McCain should have spoken out against the situation of Strom Thurmond's continued terms in the Senate?

What I want to know is, is there any record of Rev. Wright contextually making any racist remarks?

I would say that support fo Black Liberation theorlogy, a position which Wright is known to hold, would qualify him, no?

I'm not disputing that Ayres is a nasty little man. My question is, is Obama responsible for Ayres actions just because they were on the same board of the same non-profit organization?

No, Obama IS, however, responsible for speaking up against that sitation. But apparently he feels quite comfortable dealwing the unrepenatnt bombers, and peopel who think as a part of their religion, that America as such, much be destroyed.

Let me make sure I understand this; Your dispute here is on the question if Wright is preaching Black Liberation theorlogy, or not?

What I want to know is, is there any record of Rev. Wright contextually making any racist remarks? A quote, with source. Video. Anything? After all, John McCain, not his preacher, is actually on the record of routinely employing racial slurs against the Vietnamese in the past, without apology:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml

Do you have any similar record for Rev. Wright?

Byrd renounced his past. Even absent the argument about his honesty in the matter, we're still left with a major difference...He's renounced that past. Has Ayersrenounced HIS? No, he's sorry he didn't do more.

I'm not disputing that Ayres is a nasty little man. My question is, is Obama responsible for Ayres actions just because they were on the same board of the same non-profit organization? Let's say, for sake of argument, that Robert Byrd never renounced his racist past (as, indeed, Strom Thurmond never did). Would that mean that every U.S. Senator should have refused to serve on the same Senate committee as Byrd?

Do you have a source for the document quoted? I accept, based on what you have written, that Mr. Cone is a racist. Do you have any actual quotes from Rev. Wright that, within the context of the quote supports any type of racist sentiment? Because if you don't, smearing him as a racist is unjustified.

Let me make sure I understand this; Your dispute here is on the question if Wright is preaching Black Liberation theorlogy, or not?

I understand that they served on some type of community board together. But then again, John McCain and Robert Byrd served in the Senate together. Does that make John McCain a Klansman? Try again.

Byrd renounced his past. Even absent the argument about his honesty in the matter, we're still left with a major difference...He's renounced that past. Has Ayersrenounced HIS? No, he's sorry he didn't do more.

Try again.

Have you looked at Black Liberation theology, which Wright preaches?

Do you have a source for the document quoted? I accept, based on what you have written, that Mr. Cone is a racist. Do you have any actual quotes from Rev. Wright that, within the context of the quote supports any type of racist sentiment? Because if you don't, smearing him as a racist is unjustified.

And Alex, this is far more than one appearence, we're talking about, and you know it, or you should.

I understand that they served on some type of community board together. But then again, John McCain and Robert Byrd served in the Senate together. Does that make John McCain a Klansman? Try again.

Barack Obama's suddenly radioactive pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, has defended himself against charges of anti-Americanism and racism by referring to his foundational philosophy, the "black liberation theology" of scholars such as James Cone, who regard Jesus Christ as a "black messiah" and blacks as "the chosen people" who will only accept a god who assists their aim of destroying the "white enemy."

"If God is not for us and against white people," writes Cone, "then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill gods who do not belong to the black community."

Now again, let's get Duke to start preaching WHITE liberation theorlgy and see if you don't label it as racist.

John McCain had a long political relationship with Strom Thurmond, who never apologized for his role in fighting for segregation. Should I assume by that that John McCain is a segregationist?

Most people would at least raise serious questions about his position in the matter. And by the way, a goodly number of blacks apparently did just that, given the exit poll data I've seen for that cycle.

And Alex, this is far more than one appearence, we're talking about, and you know it, or you should.

Try reversing some of these statements of his. Attribute them to David Duke. Think they're still not racist?

Such as..... ?

Particularly if you're a Democrat? And don't you think that's something you'd better learn, before voting for the man, Alex?

John McCain had a long political relationship with Strom Thurmond, who never apologized for his role in fighting for segregation. Should I assume by that that John McCain is a segregationist? Don't be absurd. It was simply necessary to work with Thurmond to get anything done in the Senate. Obama's association with Ayres doesn't even compare. He went to a fundraiser that Ayres was at, therefore Obama supporters terrorism? Please. That's just a pathetic line of reasoning.

I have yet, to date, read any statement by Obama's Rev. Wright that can be justly characterized as racist.

Really? Perhaps your measurement is skewed.
Try reversing some of these statements of his. Attribute them to David Duke. Think they're still not racist?

As for Ayres, I honestly don't know enough about the situation to make a judgment, except for a general comment that politics frequently requires one to deal with influential but morally suspect people in order to get anything done.

Particularly if you're a Democrat? And don't you think that's something you'd better learn, before voting for the man, Alex?

And my response to that is that what the media considers "masculine", I consider "immature high school jock", so there's that

This is such a target rich environment, I'm not even going to bother. I suspect the readers can fill in the blanks themselves.

And is pretty much the same reaction I had, in the recent McCain skoyt chasin' flap. When seeing Johnnie Mac simply looking beat, on day two of the story's cycle. And thus myself, calling the contest then and there.

I haven't watched the Obama bowling video, but I have watched his dancin' with Ellen vid. November is really such a long ways away. My reaction/prognostication to/about a single Mac TV appearance, now appears to be overweighted. Mac does indeed appear to be in the hunt. Now whether it be because Barry can't dance (or bowl)? Some things defy logic and reason. November 4th may yet be an education.

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Alex;
I am a Christian, and at times even a contrarian like yourself, but I find that I have many issues in which I agree with Hindus,Secularists, Buddhists, and other religious types!
Being human produces more common ground than some might think.
The disagreements, though important,are relatively few actually.

As for her column, just one more example of Mc Megan's hackery.

Oh, and as for the issue of how masculine he is, and the questions about that, let's also consider the idea that most elections have at least a large element of psychological playtime in them.

And my response to that is that what the media considers "masculine", I consider "immature high school jock", so there's that.

A terrific illustration of true manliness vs. macho posturing was on display in last week's episode of John Adams, which dramatized Adams' rightful castigation of Alexander Hamilton for the latter's dreams of empire and desire to look good in uniform. John Adams was a much better symbol of manly virtue.

I have yet, to date, read any statement by Obama's Rev. Wright that can be justly characterized as racist. The Church he ran had lots of members of all races, which you can see if you watch the videos of his sermons when they pan to the audience. Were there things that Wright said that I disagreed with? Sure. But then, I don't consider myself a Christian, so my level of disagreement with any preacher is going to be pretty high.

As for Ayres, I honestly don't know enough about the situation to make a judgment, except for a general comment that politics frequently requires one to deal with influential but morally suspect people in order to get anything done.

You could easily slam McCain's character on similar grounds--his involvement with the Keating Five; his adultery; his sharing the stage with controversial preachers; etc. But what's the point? It doesn't really tell you all that much.

My bigger beefs with McCain are his foreign policy positions and his unwillingness to stick up for his own political convictions (see e.g. backing down on forbidding the CIA from committing acts of torture), and both say a lot more about what kind of President he would make than, say, his wife's drug use.