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		<title>By: Kent G. Budge</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/a_nation_without_trial_lawyers/comment-page-1/#comment-91089</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent G. Budge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto Dodd.  The problem is not the adversarial system or the existence of trial lawyers, &lt;em&gt;per se&lt;/em&gt;.  I&#039;m sure going to want a lawyer if I&#039;m ever hauled into court.  And I&#039;ve known lawyers I thought were pretty decent human beings.

The problems are systemic and require changes to the system, not substitution of different people in the existing system.  As conservative Republicans have recently discovered about Congress and the Presidency.

And by &quot;system&quot; I mean popular culture at least as much as I mean law and procedure.

I think part of the problem is a selection effect.  The press love to report on spectacular, high-stakes cases, usually involving a popular criminal defendant or an &quot;evil&quot; corporation being civilly sued.  Both the cases and the reporting are highly distorted and unrepresentative.

Problem is, they affect how the public view law in general, and thereby have a destructive feedback effect.  (I was going to say &quot;negative feedback effect,&quot; but it&#039;s technically positive feedback with a very negative outcome.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto Dodd.  The problem is not the adversarial system or the existence of trial lawyers, <em>per se</em>.  I'm sure going to want a lawyer if I'm ever hauled into court.  And I've known lawyers I thought were pretty decent human beings.</p>
<p>The problems are systemic and require changes to the system, not substitution of different people in the existing system.  As conservative Republicans have recently discovered about Congress and the Presidency.</p>
<p>And by "system" I mean popular culture at least as much as I mean law and procedure.</p>
<p>I think part of the problem is a selection effect.  The press love to report on spectacular, high-stakes cases, usually involving a popular criminal defendant or an "evil" corporation being civilly sued.  Both the cases and the reporting are highly distorted and unrepresentative.</p>
<p>Problem is, they affect how the public view law in general, and thereby have a destructive feedback effect.  (I was going to say "negative feedback effect," but it's technically positive feedback with a very negative outcome.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dodd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael has it right. The entire purpose of the adversarial system is that zealous advocates on both sides &#039;test truth&#039; so that a jury of one&#039;s peers can arrive at justice. So, yes, analytically, lawyers on both sides are indeed &quot;fighting for &#039;justice.&#039;&quot; 

This is not to say that the system has not been distorted in many ways that can sometimes detract from the ideal pursued, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael has it right. The entire purpose of the adversarial system is that zealous advocates on both sides 'test truth' so that a jury of one's peers can arrive at justice. So, yes, analytically, lawyers on both sides are indeed "fighting for 'justice.'" </p>
<p>This is not to say that the system has not been distorted in many ways that can sometimes detract from the ideal pursued, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Launch every Zig!

For great justice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Launch every Zig!</p>
<p>For great justice!</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey NTH</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/a_nation_without_trial_lawyers/comment-page-1/#comment-90961</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey NTH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American Association for Justice?  Cool!!!
Do I get a cape with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American Association for Justice?  Cool!!!<br />
Do I get a cape with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;UPDATE (James Joyner):  And, presumably, we would have Association for Justice members on both sides of many if not most civil suits. So . . . both sides in each case are fighting for â��justice.â��&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but isn&#039;t that the ideal situation?  That both sides are fighting for &quot;justice&quot; for their client?  Isn&#039;t that the whole point of it all?  What am I missing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>UPDATE (James Joyner):  And, presumably, we would have Association for Justice members on both sides of many if not most civil suits. So . . . both sides in each case are fighting for â��justice.â��</p></blockquote>
<p>Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the ideal situation?  That both sides are fighting for "justice" for their client?  Isn't that the whole point of it all?  What am I missing?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody hates lawyers.

Until they need one, of course...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody hates lawyers.</p>
<p>Until they need one, of course...</p>
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		<title>By: The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; One of my favorite lawyer jokes</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; One of my favorite lawyer jokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An associate blogger at Outside the Beltway takes note of the plan by the The Association of Trial Lawyers of America to change its name to The American Association for Justice.  In an update, James Joyner notes: And, presumably, we would have Association for Justice members on both sides of many if not most civil suits. So . . . both sides in each case are fighting for “justice.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] An associate blogger at Outside the Beltway takes note of the plan by the The Association of Trial Lawyers of America to change its name to The American Association for Justice.  In an update, James Joyner notes: And, presumably, we would have Association for Justice members on both sides of many if not most civil suits. So . . . both sides in each case are fighting for “justice.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Justice, no piece?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Justice, no piece?</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &quot;Little Tin Gods&quot; was proposed at one time. The trial lawyers went into arbitration and settled on &quot;Gods!&quot;(TM)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think "Little Tin Gods" was proposed at one time. The trial lawyers went into arbitration and settled on "Gods!"(TM)</p>
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