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		<title>By: independent</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/a_question_of_stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-269397</link>
		<dc:creator>independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its all about the inflation.  

The tax rebate is a way to complement the fed&#039;s low interest rate policy in a way with voter approval.

No one&#039;s going to argue about getting their tax money back, even if the effect of that money is to drive up prices in everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its all about the inflation.  </p>
<p>The tax rebate is a way to complement the fed's low interest rate policy in a way with voter approval.</p>
<p>No one's going to argue about getting their tax money back, even if the effect of that money is to drive up prices in everything.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/a_question_of_stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-269344</link>
		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention that none of this takes into account the concept of inflation - if it ever goes above 3%, you&#039;re suddenly &lt;i&gt;losing&lt;/i&gt; money by keeping in that account...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention that none of this takes into account the concept of inflation - if it ever goes above 3%, you're suddenly <i>losing</i> money by keeping in that account...</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/a_question_of_stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-269290</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course, that means you are placing $600/yr into your account on top of what the gov&#039;t gives you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;That makes even less sense.  If you put $600/year of your own money into your account for every year after this rebate, in 5 years you would have put in $3,000, how you get $1854.60 from a 3% interest rate on that is beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Of course, that means you are placing $600/yr into your account on top of what the gov't gives you.</p></blockquote>
<p>That makes even less sense.  If you put $600/year of your own money into your account for every year after this rebate, in 5 years you would have put in $3,000, how you get $1854.60 from a 3% interest rate on that is beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/a_question_of_stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-269284</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course, that means you are placing $600/yr into your account on top of what the gov&#039;t gives you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Ah, so it&#039;s not: &quot;All from a government refund.&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Of course, that means you are placing $600/yr into your account on top of what the gov't gives you.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah, so it's not: "All from a government refund.".</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/a_question_of_stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-269282</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;$600 x 3% x 5yrs = $1854.60 (using future value of annuity)

$600 x 3% x 10yrs = $5,335.20 (using future value of annuity)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Perhaps we should fix our school system instead of our economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>$600 x 3% x 5yrs = $1854.60 (using future value of annuity)</p>
<p>$600 x 3% x 10yrs = $5,335.20 (using future value of annuity)</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps we should fix our school system instead of our economy.</p>
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		<title>By: FireWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>FireWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, that means you are placing $600/yr into your account on top of what the gov&#039;t gives you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, that means you are placing $600/yr into your account on top of what the gov't gives you.</p>
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		<title>By: FireWolf</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/a_question_of_stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-269256</link>
		<dc:creator>FireWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s look at this from a savings perspective.

If you take the $600 and put it into an account here &#039;s how well you can do with just that.

$600 x 3% x 5yrs = $1854.60 (using future value of annuity)

$600 x 3% x 10yrs = $5,335.20 (using future value of annuity)

That&#039;s if you don&#039;t touch it and earn a solid 3% each year. 

25 yrs = $21,875.40

and the big ol&#039; 50: $67,680

All from a government refund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let's look at this from a savings perspective.</p>
<p>If you take the $600 and put it into an account here 's how well you can do with just that.</p>
<p>$600 x 3% x 5yrs = $1854.60 (using future value of annuity)</p>
<p>$600 x 3% x 10yrs = $5,335.20 (using future value of annuity)</p>
<p>That's if you don't touch it and earn a solid 3% each year. </p>
<p>25 yrs = $21,875.40</p>
<p>and the big ol' 50: $67,680</p>
<p>All from a government refund.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a reasonable hypothesis, James, but it&#039;s based on a faulty assumption - that the problem with the economy is that there&#039;s not enough consumer spending now (or that more will save it). The problem is that the basic economic system in the US (and yes, Dems have a significant share of the blame here too) is rigged to make things easier for the wealthy and harder for the poor &amp; middle class. This  &quot;stimulus&quot; doesn&#039;t actually address any of the problems that got us where we are now - zero oversight, zero or pissant penalties on lawbreaking corporations &amp; high corporate muckety-mucks, cuts in gov&#039;t support to ordinary people accompanied by huge subsidies to people &amp; companies that don&#039;t actually need them, etc., etc.

At best, this will allow some folks to stave off the wolves at the door for another billing cycle or two, and then things will be exactly the same as they are now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's a reasonable hypothesis, James, but it's based on a faulty assumption - that the problem with the economy is that there's not enough consumer spending now (or that more will save it). The problem is that the basic economic system in the US (and yes, Dems have a significant share of the blame here too) is rigged to make things easier for the wealthy and harder for the poor &amp; middle class. This  "stimulus" doesn't actually address any of the problems that got us where we are now - zero oversight, zero or pissant penalties on lawbreaking corporations &amp; high corporate muckety-mucks, cuts in gov't support to ordinary people accompanied by huge subsidies to people &amp; companies that don't actually need them, etc., etc.</p>
<p>At best, this will allow some folks to stave off the wolves at the door for another billing cycle or two, and then things will be exactly the same as they are now.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/a_question_of_stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-269247</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it may help the bottom lines of retailers, it&#039;s not going to create any jobs except, possibly, in China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it may help the bottom lines of retailers, it's not going to create any jobs except, possibly, in China.</p>
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		<title>By: rawdawgbuffalo</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/a_question_of_stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-269241</link>
		<dc:creator>rawdawgbuffalo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of this is just a short term fix.  And truth be told, it has been happening over past 3 decades.  Reagan and Clinton have just as much blame as the current administration.  This is an interesting perspective on this&lt;a href=&quot;http://rawdawgb.blogspot.com/2008/01/midas-touch.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(the midas touch)&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this is just a short term fix.  And truth be told, it has been happening over past 3 decades.  Reagan and Clinton have just as much blame as the current administration.  This is an interesting perspective on this<a href="http://rawdawgb.blogspot.com/2008/01/midas-touch.html" rel="nofollow">(the midas touch)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/a_question_of_stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-269234</link>
		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put the cash in the bank?  Yeah right--I&#039;m headed straight to the dog track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put the cash in the bank?  Yeah right--I'm headed straight to the dog track.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/a_question_of_stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-269232</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree. IN several cases I know of such funding well go to paying off at least part of longer term debts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree. IN several cases I know of such funding well go to paying off at least part of longer term debts.</p>
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