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		<title>By: Watcher of Weasels</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/after_neoconservatism_/comment-page-1/#comment-74647</link>
		<dc:creator>Watcher of Weasels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Council Has Spoken!...&lt;/strong&gt;

First off...&#160; any spambots reading this should immediately go here, here, here,&#160; and here.&#160; Die spambots, die!&#160; And now...&#160; the winning entries in the Watcher&#039;s Council vote for this week are The &quot;Happy Warrior&quot; Is Weeping I...</description>
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<p>First off...  any spambots reading this should immediately go here, here, here,  and here.  Die spambots, die!  And now...  the winning entries in the Watcher's Council vote for this week are The "Happy Warrior" Is Weeping I...</p>
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		<title>By: Watcher of Weasels</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/after_neoconservatism_/comment-page-1/#comment-74370</link>
		<dc:creator>Watcher of Weasels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Submitted for Your Approval...&lt;/strong&gt;

First off...&#160; any spambots reading this should immediately go here, here, here,&#160; and here.&#160; Die spambots, die!&#160; And now...&#160; here are all the links submitted by members of the Watcher&#039;s Council for this week&#039;s vote. Council li...</description>
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<p>First off...  any spambots reading this should immediately go here, here, here,  and here.  Die spambots, die!  And now...  here are all the links submitted by members of the Watcher's Council for this week's vote. Council li...</p>
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		<title>By: Olrnf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olrnf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;(1) most famous for his wildly incorrect prediction that no ideology would ever again threaten Western democratic capitalism after the Cold War&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is clear that James either hasn&#039;t read Fukayama or doesn&#039;t understand the hegelian basis of his argument.

I am not necessarily a fan of Fukie, but he was making an argument based upon a particular philosophical tradition.  In fact, one could argue that his embrace of Hegel&#039;s concept of the &quot;struggle for recognition&quot; is still extremely pertinent and can explain quite a bit about the rise of various fundamentalisms throughout the globe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(1) most famous for his wildly incorrect prediction that no ideology would ever again threaten Western democratic capitalism after the Cold War</p></blockquote>
<p>It is clear that James either hasn't read Fukayama or doesn't understand the hegelian basis of his argument.</p>
<p>I am not necessarily a fan of Fukie, but he was making an argument based upon a particular philosophical tradition.  In fact, one could argue that his embrace of Hegel's concept of the "struggle for recognition" is still extremely pertinent and can explain quite a bit about the rise of various fundamentalisms throughout the globe.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Ill take isolationism any day, thank you very much. Whether various Islammic states have elections or not is of no concern to me. If they hate it there that much, they should move here, or to Europe or Canada.&lt;/em&gt;

Fine, Jazz.  We can leave Israel to take care of itself.  And South Korea, and Japan.  Doubtless I&#039;m omitting a dozen or so countries.

Now, whether or not that&#039;s a good idea is one thing.  It&#039;s just not politically acceptable.  You might as well wargame whether the U.S. could&#039;ve beaten Germany in 1940.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Ill take isolationism any day, thank you very much. Whether various Islammic states have elections or not is of no concern to me. If they hate it there that much, they should move here, or to Europe or Canada.</em></p>
<p>Fine, Jazz.  We can leave Israel to take care of itself.  And South Korea, and Japan.  Doubtless I'm omitting a dozen or so countries.</p>
<p>Now, whether or not that's a good idea is one thing.  It's just not politically acceptable.  You might as well wargame whether the U.S. could've beaten Germany in 1940.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Where to begin?

(1) &lt;em&gt;most famous for his wildly incorrect prediction that no ideology would ever again threaten Western democratic capitalism after the Cold War&lt;/em&gt;

&quot;Wildly incorrect&quot;?  How?  Al-Qaeda and other terrorists are *material* threats, but they do not pose an &lt;em&gt;ideology&lt;/em&gt; that&#039;s any serious competition with Western democratic capitalism.  Incoherent rage is not an &quot;ideology,&quot; and Islamists are not an existential threat to the West (as you concede later in your post, while ignoring its implication for Fukuyama&#039;s thesis).

(2) &lt;em&gt;That, the spillover effects in Lebanon and Syria--and let&#039;s not forget Libya--and the increased credibility of U.S. invasion as serious policy option should indeed justify the costs.&lt;/em&gt;

&quot;Increased credibility&quot;??? Just the opposite.  It is common knowledge that we aren&#039;t materially able to invade Syria or North Korea even if we wanted to---not without either abandoning Iraq or firing up the draft.

(3) &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;It must be reiterated, since people continue to forget it, that the main missions--regime change and the enabling of an unfettered search for WMD--were wildly successful.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 

Wowzer.  &quot;An unfettered search for WMD&quot; is a really nice way of putting it.  &lt;strong&gt;Quit trying to rewrite history.&lt;/strong&gt;  We did not go over there to FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT Saddam had WMD.  We were assured that he *did*.  Turns out the &quot;unfettered search&quot; was accomplished by Hans Blix, who was treated by Cheney et al. as virtually a Saddam puppet.  Oops!

(4) &lt;em&gt;Realism has long been the natural voice of the foreign policy establishment. Neoconservatism was derided from the beginning. That said, the idea that we are better off supporting authoritarian thugs rather than risking the election of those whose goals are different than ours is short sighted.&lt;/em&gt;

FF is *not* advocating realism (as Orin Judd also fails to notice):  &quot;What is needed now are new ideas, &lt;strong&gt;neither neoconservative nor realist&lt;/strong&gt;, for how America is to relate to the rest of the world ....&quot;

(6) &lt;em&gt;More importantly, though, there&#039;s a reason the American electorate is not enamored with international institutions as the stronghold of our national security: History.&lt;/em&gt;

Oh please.  NATO?  Explain to me how NATO is not an &quot;international institution.&quot;  FF is quite candid that the UN is not a useful instrument.  He also lists some &quot;international institutions&quot; that are more effective; more importantly, he&#039;s &lt;i&gt;calling for&lt;/i&gt; MORE AND BETTER institutions in place of the failed ones.

I can only assume that FF&#039;s article stung pretty hard, if it&#039;s so necessary to misrepresent what he wrote and to fudge the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Where to begin?</p>
<p>(1) <em>most famous for his wildly incorrect prediction that no ideology would ever again threaten Western democratic capitalism after the Cold War</em></p>
<p>"Wildly incorrect"?  How?  Al-Qaeda and other terrorists are *material* threats, but they do not pose an <em>ideology</em> that's any serious competition with Western democratic capitalism.  Incoherent rage is not an "ideology," and Islamists are not an existential threat to the West (as you concede later in your post, while ignoring its implication for Fukuyama's thesis).</p>
<p>(2) <em>That, the spillover effects in Lebanon and Syria--and let's not forget Libya--and the increased credibility of U.S. invasion as serious policy option should indeed justify the costs.</em></p>
<p>"Increased credibility"??? Just the opposite.  It is common knowledge that we aren't materially able to invade Syria or North Korea even if we wanted to---not without either abandoning Iraq or firing up the draft.</p>
<p>(3) <strong><em>It must be reiterated, since people continue to forget it, that the main missions--regime change and the enabling of an unfettered search for WMD--were wildly successful.</em></strong> </p>
<p>Wowzer.  "An unfettered search for WMD" is a really nice way of putting it.  <strong>Quit trying to rewrite history.</strong>  We did not go over there to FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT Saddam had WMD.  We were assured that he *did*.  Turns out the "unfettered search" was accomplished by Hans Blix, who was treated by Cheney et al. as virtually a Saddam puppet.  Oops!</p>
<p>(4) <em>Realism has long been the natural voice of the foreign policy establishment. Neoconservatism was derided from the beginning. That said, the idea that we are better off supporting authoritarian thugs rather than risking the election of those whose goals are different than ours is short sighted.</em></p>
<p>FF is *not* advocating realism (as Orin Judd also fails to notice):  "What is needed now are new ideas, <strong>neither neoconservative nor realist</strong>, for how America is to relate to the rest of the world ...."</p>
<p>(6) <em>More importantly, though, there's a reason the American electorate is not enamored with international institutions as the stronghold of our national security: History.</em></p>
<p>Oh please.  NATO?  Explain to me how NATO is not an "international institution."  FF is quite candid that the UN is not a useful instrument.  He also lists some "international institutions" that are more effective; more importantly, he's <i>calling for</i> MORE AND BETTER institutions in place of the failed ones.</p>
<p>I can only assume that FF's article stung pretty hard, if it's so necessary to misrepresent what he wrote and to fudge the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am always disappointed when I read &quot;experts&quot; stating as if it were fact that a return towards isolationist leaning policies is, by definition, a bad thing. I for one certainly would favor a more isolationist policy, both in terms of global economics and the &quot;spread of democracy&quot; etc.  Our military might would be much more wisely used here at home defending against menaces on our own borders and our own soil, while training and staying ever ready to strike abroad, and strike HARD, when a *real* threat is discovered or an attack on the US or our interests is launched.

I&#039;ll take isolationism any day, thank you very much. Whether various Islammic states have elections or not is of no concern to me. If they hate it there that much, they should move here, or to Europe or Canada.

Me? A cold hearted bastard? Fine. I&#039;ll wear that label.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am always disappointed when I read "experts" stating as if it were fact that a return towards isolationist leaning policies is, by definition, a bad thing. I for one certainly would favor a more isolationist policy, both in terms of global economics and the "spread of democracy" etc.  Our military might would be much more wisely used here at home defending against menaces on our own borders and our own soil, while training and staying ever ready to strike abroad, and strike HARD, when a *real* threat is discovered or an attack on the US or our interests is launched.</p>
<p>I'll take isolationism any day, thank you very much. Whether various Islammic states have elections or not is of no concern to me. If they hate it there that much, they should move here, or to Europe or Canada.</p>
<p>Me? A cold hearted bastard? Fine. I'll wear that label.</p>
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		<title>By: BWE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BWE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fukuyama was a member of the PNAC I believe. If he is coming out saying that it is defunct or becoming defunct, well he is in a position to know. 

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fukuyama was a member of the PNAC I believe. If he is coming out saying that it is defunct or becoming defunct, well he is in a position to know. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Real Ugly American.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Real Ugly American.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;After Neoconservatism: Must Read...&lt;/strong&gt;

	After Neoconservatism by By FRANCIS FUKUYAMA from New York Times Magazine is the must read piece of the day. It is very long so if it takes you until Friday to finish it thats ok just make sure you do. 
	Some of his points I agree with and some I do n...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>After Neoconservatism: Must Read...</strong></p>
<p>	After Neoconservatism by By FRANCIS FUKUYAMA from New York Times Magazine is the must read piece of the day. It is very long so if it takes you until Friday to finish it thats ok just make sure you do.<br />
	Some of his points I agree with and some I do n...</p>
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		<title>By: Right Wing Nut House</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right Wing Nut House</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;WHAT&#8217;S A HYPERPOWER TO DO?...&lt;/strong&gt;

	Francis Fukuyama used to be one of the seminal neoconservative thinkers of our time.

	Now he&#8217;s just a seminal thinker, having abandoned what he terms the &#8220;militaristic&#8221; excesses and unrealistic goals of the neocons in favor of a &amp;#8...</description>
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<p>	Francis Fukuyama used to be one of the seminal neoconservative thinkers of our time.</p>
<p>	Now he&#8217;s just a seminal thinker, having abandoned what he terms the &#8220;militaristic&#8221; excesses and unrealistic goals of the neocons in favor of a &amp;#8...</p>
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