Comments on: Ahmed Omar Abu Ali Charged With Plot to Assassinate Bush

By: KEA

KEA — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:17:00 +0000

Even if he wasn't shipped out to saudi and arrested there, lets remember that if any other american and nonmuslim citizen was arrested, we would never allow that citizen to remain in a saudi prison, or any other foreign prison, for nearly two whole years. That's so against the basic constitutional rights that this nation was founded upon.
And what is this claim that he wasnt tortured? who in their right mind would believe that saudi arabia, that 'undemocratic' country that would never abide by any human rights' laws, would actually respect this abu-ali boy? and the US government, our own government, which is responsible for the abu-ghraib crimes; do you actually think that they would leave Abu-Ali alone?

By: swingin ' right

swingin ' right — Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:41:57 +0000

First of all, are not all these partly clothed girls freaking you guys out? Second, do you beleive torture is right? Do you remember the Spanish Inquisition, oh no, you guys are obeidient God soldiers here to protect the motherland from the evil-doers of the world, who believe in a pagan god and only hope to destroy your over-indulgent, earth destroying, poverty rearing, polluting smoke churning waste of lives. You see, the Spanish Inc. used torure to get a confession of a crime out of someone. Unfortunately, if you did not commit this crime, they continued the torture. Until you finally told them what they want to hear. Then of course, came the punishment. Needless to say, these were Right-Wing(I think we can all agree on that) Religious nut jobs who took over by the peoples over-obedience to an invisible man in the sky they watches you all the time, everywhere your entire life. He even has a place for the bad kids, no, not the closet, HELL!!! Unfortunately, for the poor(seeking a miracle that won't come) especially, he stays broke! Anyway, your govenment condones torture, and how long will it take to torure white republicans who might "possibly" have ties to some muslim seeking to pop off someone. Certainly no shortages of them. Or place your own scenarios. In short, click to thank Tony blair for contributing so much to our $200 billion war. Thanks, and good bye forever

By: LJD

LJD — Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:14:58 +0000

"I find it incomprehensible that my fellow Americans would prejudge someone who has indisputably been tortured (he was sent to a country that tortures suspects, q.e.d)."

Idisputable? By being "sent" to country that tortures suspects.

I suppose the feelings of many Americans about our country's presumed stance on torture would indisputably prove that any one who comes here is tortured.

Maybe you should examine your own assumptions.
The presumption of innocence still allows the prosecutor to build a case against the defendant. Without "judgement" from the media.

Too many in this country would like to see innocent until proven... (explosion). Oops!

By: Chase

Chase — Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:02:35 +0000

"why wasnât he charged instead of being shipped out to Saudi Arabia for months of torture first?"

He was arrested in Saudi Arabia, not "shipped out" there.

By: Jim

Jim — Wed, 23 Feb 2005 01:46:01 +0000

Isn't this the first step of the trial? Before we pass judgement (about his guilt or innocence or even whether he was tortured) lets wait for the trial to commence. It seems that too many are quick to judgement when someone in the same ideological spectrum is charged. Lets take a deep breath and let the criminal justice system do its work. Remember until the trial by his peers is conducted he is PRESUMED innocent.

By: DC Loser

DC Loser — Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:45:15 +0000

Mark,

Thanks for your comments. You said what I felt better than I could have put it.

By: Firewolf's Blog

Firewolf's Blog — Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:40:27 +0000

Family Politics
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By: Truth. Quante-fied.

Truth. Quante-fied. — Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:55:46 +0000

Man Charged in Bush Assassination Plot
At least Lynne Stewart isn't representing him.

By: Mark Gisleson

Mark Gisleson — Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:57:56 +0000

Why do you people assume he was guilty? If they had the goods on him (for what sounds like angry conversation at best), why wasn't he charged instead of being shipped out to Saudi Arabia for months of torture first?

I find it incomprehensible that my fellow Americans would prejudge someone who has indisputably been tortured (he was sent to a country that tortures suspects, q.e.d).

If he is proven guilty, he should obviously be punished, but some evidence and a trial is in order first. But please explain to me why the torture was necessary?

Is it possible his supporters laughed because the charges are flat out ridiculous? Is it possible he was charged in a pathetic effort to justify extraordinary rendition that was not in any way justified?

What ever happened to due process and the assumption of innocence...or is that irrelevant when you're a Muslim?

By: jen

jen — Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:23:34 +0000

I watched that crowd outside of the courthouse for quite a while after the hearing. Maybe hoping for TV time?

By: Rand Holman

Rand Holman — Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:09:47 +0000

The post I wrote this morning about this story came from an AP report that included something too many have missed:

"More than 100 supporters of Abu Ali crowded the courtroom Tuesday and laughed when the charge was read aloud alleging that he conspired to assassinate Bush."

Oh yeah, that merits a big ha-ha.

And I also asked whether "torture" would now be the defense for all accused, alleged, suspected (whatever) terrorists?

By: The Jawa Report

The Jawa Report — Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:07:17 +0000

Muslim-American Indicted for Bush Assassination Plot
American born Muslim goes to Saudi Arabia to study Islam. While there he becomes converted to Jihad. Joins al Qaeda. Plots to kill President Bush. For now his only defense has been that the Saudis tortured him and he is...

By: Steve Talbert

Steve Talbert — Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:38:33 +0000

From reading just that article, it sounds like the family is behind getting the suit moved along because they feel the charges were made up to enable the guy to be tortured for info. This might be similar to that other guy who were involved with AlQaeda prior to 9/11 and too stupid to see where it was going. Hard to say from just this article. Given that they retain and question you and can fine you for even joking about a bomb at airport security, this should be followed up with. Cheney as President would be TERRIBLE.

By: McGehee

McGehee — Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:22:54 +0000

The overwhelming majority of Bush hatred in this country is from people reared and educated in the United States, so it doesn't surprise me much at all.

By: Number 2 Pencil

Number 2 Pencil — Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:51:40 +0000

Valedictorians gone bad
Fox News tells us that a high-school valedictorian - who, by the way, moved to Saudi Arabia and joined an al Qaeda cell - was arrested and charged with conspiring to kill President Bush: An American citizen was charged Tuesday...