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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 00:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Air America Skirting Campaign Finance Laws?Outside Beltway - Not only are Democratic investors out in the cold, but landlords, limo services, law firms, stations that sold Air America air time and state governments are owed money. Apparently, the network still owes the Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club, a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cernig:

I&#039;m defining &quot;center&quot; in terms of the American electorate. Clearly, CNN and the old-line networks are well to the left of center and Fox is pretty close to it, judging by the ratings.

I don&#039;t doubt, either, that there&#039;s plenty of power in owning a media outlet and that the politicians want to get the best possible treatment.  I disagree, though, that Murdock or anyone else has the power to anoint winners.  If he does, he&#039;s being a little too stingy with it given the closeness of the last two presidential elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cernig:</p>
<p>I'm defining "center" in terms of the American electorate. Clearly, CNN and the old-line networks are well to the left of center and Fox is pretty close to it, judging by the ratings.</p>
<p>I don't doubt, either, that there's plenty of power in owning a media outlet and that the politicians want to get the best possible treatment.  I disagree, though, that Murdock or anyone else has the power to anoint winners.  If he does, he's being a little too stingy with it given the closeness of the last two presidential elections.</p>
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		<title>By: Cernig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cernig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fox News &quot; a news outlet that merely leans further to the center than its competition&quot;?

LOL!!!!

But Fox has become what Murdoch&#039;s tabloid &quot;The Sun&quot; is in the UK. You can&#039;t win the big election without their endorsement anymore. Why do you think the Clintons have been sucking up to Murdoch so much?

Murdoch did it for Thatcher (multiples), Major and then switched teams and did it for Blair (multiples) and can do it for anyone else he sees fit. The Sun will back Cameron next time out - sorry Brown, you&#039;re roasted.

The McCain/Gulliani ticket may well be headed for a &lt;i&gt;fait accomplis&lt;/i&gt; but they&#039;re well behind on Murdoch-smoozing. If they don&#039;t catch up, the GOP will lose in &#039;08, no matter what else happens. 

Regards, C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox News " a news outlet that merely leans further to the center than its competition"?</p>
<p>LOL!!!!</p>
<p>But Fox has become what Murdoch's tabloid "The Sun" is in the UK. You can't win the big election without their endorsement anymore. Why do you think the Clintons have been sucking up to Murdoch so much?</p>
<p>Murdoch did it for Thatcher (multiples), Major and then switched teams and did it for Blair (multiples) and can do it for anyone else he sees fit. The Sun will back Cameron next time out - sorry Brown, you're roasted.</p>
<p>The McCain/Gulliani ticket may well be headed for a <i>fait accomplis</i> but they're well behind on Murdoch-smoozing. If they don't catch up, the GOP will lose in '08, no matter what else happens. </p>
<p>Regards, C</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t there a talk show that was sued and found that their shows about some local gas rate hike was a campaign contribution? If I remember right, the case hinged on whether they were discussing the issues of the day or were &quot;aligning themselves&quot; with the campaign. So if they can find anyone who listened to Air America, maybe they could find some instances of Air America &quot;aligning themselves&quot; with some campaigns. I won&#039;t jump to any conclusion if they would have been aligning with democratic or republican campaigns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn't there a talk show that was sued and found that their shows about some local gas rate hike was a campaign contribution? If I remember right, the case hinged on whether they were discussing the issues of the day or were "aligning themselves" with the campaign. So if they can find anyone who listened to Air America, maybe they could find some instances of Air America "aligning themselves" with some campaigns. I won't jump to any conclusion if they would have been aligning with democratic or republican campaigns.</p>
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		<title>By: The American Mind / Air America: Scheme to Flout Campaign Finance Laws?</title>
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		<dc:creator>The American Mind / Air America: Scheme to Flout Campaign Finance Laws?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE: James Joyner comments: The idea that investors started Air America with the idea of going bankrupt is rather absurd. What value is there to getting free air time on a radio network nobody is listening to? Couldn’t they have achieved the same circumvention of the campaign finance laws by creating a successful network consisting of liberal equivalents of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Laura Ingraham? Surely, that would have made more sense. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] UPDATE: James Joyner comments: The idea that investors started Air America with the idea of going bankrupt is rather absurd. What value is there to getting free air time on a radio network nobody is listening to? Couldn&rsquo;t they have achieved the same circumvention of the campaign finance laws by creating a successful network consisting of liberal equivalents of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Laura Ingraham? Surely, that would have made more sense. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson:  I don&#039;t watch FOX or, frankly, other cable news much these days.  

Its flagship news show, Special Report with Brit Hume, is quite good.  It&#039;s morning show is awful but not because it&#039;s propaganda but because the hosts suck.  The thing with Shepard Smith is pretty lame, although it&#039;s more tabloidy than GOP propaganda.  (At least it was when last I saw it, which was well over a year ago.)

Its talk shows are a mixed bag, although none my cup of tea.  O&#039;Reilly is a pseudo-populist windbag, Van Susteren is a lawyer-cum-gossip-show-host, and Hannity is, well, Hannity.  But those are opinionated yell-fests not much different from what one might find on the competition.  Certainly, they&#039;re no worse than Hardball or Joe Scarborough or Keith Olbermann.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson:  I don't watch FOX or, frankly, other cable news much these days.  </p>
<p>Its flagship news show, Special Report with Brit Hume, is quite good.  It's morning show is awful but not because it's propaganda but because the hosts suck.  The thing with Shepard Smith is pretty lame, although it's more tabloidy than GOP propaganda.  (At least it was when last I saw it, which was well over a year ago.)</p>
<p>Its talk shows are a mixed bag, although none my cup of tea.  O'Reilly is a pseudo-populist windbag, Van Susteren is a lawyer-cum-gossip-show-host, and Hannity is, well, Hannity.  But those are opinionated yell-fests not much different from what one might find on the competition.  Certainly, they're no worse than Hardball or Joe Scarborough or Keith Olbermann.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Second, Fox is a profitable business&lt;/em&gt;

Well, one would expect that of the Republicans.  It&#039;s their free-market improvement on Pravda.

But your first point doesn&#039;t pass the laugh test.  Fox News is all about electing Republicans, and I really don&#039;t think you should put your (ample) credibility on the line by pretending otherwise.  I spend plenty of time trapped in public places where Fox is blaring, and it&#039;s a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Second, Fox is a profitable business</em></p>
<p>Well, one would expect that of the Republicans.  It's their free-market improvement on Pravda.</p>
<p>But your first point doesn't pass the laugh test.  Fox News is all about electing Republicans, and I really don't think you should put your (ample) credibility on the line by pretending otherwise.  I spend plenty of time trapped in public places where Fox is blaring, and it's a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson:

First, I&#039;d say Fox News and Air America are hardly comparable.  One&#039;s a news outlet that merely leans further to the center than its competition while the other is a network that makes no bones about being a liberal propaganda machine aiming at electing Democrats.

Second, Fox is a profitable business and, indeed, the number one cable news network.  Air America has been a dismal failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson:</p>
<p>First, I'd say Fox News and Air America are hardly comparable.  One's a news outlet that merely leans further to the center than its competition while the other is a network that makes no bones about being a liberal propaganda machine aiming at electing Democrats.</p>
<p>Second, Fox is a profitable business and, indeed, the number one cable news network.  Air America has been a dismal failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Cernig said.  If Republican Pravda Fox News is legit, with a former RNC chair running the show, then poor Air America is unobjectionable.  Except for the sucking part.

(Never heard it, actually, &amp; never had any reason to believe I was missing anything.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Cernig said.  If Republican Pravda Fox News is legit, with a former RNC chair running the show, then poor Air America is unobjectionable.  Except for the sucking part.</p>
<p>(Never heard it, actually, &amp; never had any reason to believe I was missing anything.)</p>
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		<title>By: bRight &#38; Early &#187; First Cup 10.27.06</title>
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		<dc:creator>bRight &#38; Early &#187; First Cup 10.27.06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Outside The Beltway (James Joyner) Air America Skirting Campaign Finance Laws? &#8212; &quot;Many of us have argued from the beginning that attempts to stifle political speech were not only unconstitutional but doomed to failure. After all, we’ve had several attempts since 1974 and all we’ve accomplished is to ensure that every major campaign and interest group is in technical violation of the law. More money is going into politics than ever before and, since politicians need to raise tons of cash in tiny increments, they spend most of their time fundraising. Talk about your unintended consequences.&quot;  2006, Campaign Finance, Illegal Immigration(PLUGG or DIGG this story Below)Share and Enjoy:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Outside The Beltway (James Joyner) Air America Skirting Campaign Finance Laws? &#8212; "Many of us have argued from the beginning that attempts to stifle political speech were not only unconstitutional but doomed to failure. After all, we&rsquo;ve had several attempts since 1974 and all we&rsquo;ve accomplished is to ensure that every major campaign and interest group is in technical violation of the law. More money is going into politics than ever before and, since politicians need to raise tons of cash in tiny increments, they spend most of their time fundraising. Talk about your unintended consequences."  2006, Campaign Finance, Illegal Immigration(PLUGG or DIGG this story Below)Share and Enjoy:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cernig:

They&#039;re not journalists.      

&lt;blockquote&gt;John R. Lott Jr., the dean&#039;s visiting professor at SUNY-Binghamton, served as an unpaid expert witness for the plaintiffs in the McCain-Feingold case.Bradley A. Smith, chairman of the Center for Competitive Politics, is a law professor at Capital University Law School and a former chairman of the Federal Election Commission. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Otherwise, I&#039;ve dubbed their argument &quot;absurd,&quot; although acknowledging that the problems they point out vis-a-vis CFR have merit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cernig:</p>
<p>They're not journalists.      </p>
<blockquote><p>John R. Lott Jr., the dean's visiting professor at SUNY-Binghamton, served as an unpaid expert witness for the plaintiffs in the McCain-Feingold case.Bradley A. Smith, chairman of the Center for Competitive Politics, is a law professor at Capital University Law School and a former chairman of the Federal Election Commission. </p></blockquote>
<p>Otherwise, I've dubbed their argument "absurd," although acknowledging that the problems they point out vis-a-vis CFR have merit.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they may have watched &lt;i&gt;The Producers&lt;/i&gt; one too many times.

Here&#039;s my proposal for campaign finance reform:

1.  Eliminate all contribution limits
2.  Re-instate and reupholster the fairness doctrine.
3.  Make it illegal for broadcast media (at least) to take money for political advertising.

TV could show as much political advertising as they wished but they&#039;d need to give equivalent time in equivalent slots to opposing candidates.  And they couldn&#039;t take money for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they may have watched <i>The Producers</i> one too many times.</p>
<p>Here's my proposal for campaign finance reform:</p>
<p>1.  Eliminate all contribution limits<br />
2.  Re-instate and reupholster the fairness doctrine.<br />
3.  Make it illegal for broadcast media (at least) to take money for political advertising.</p>
<p>TV could show as much political advertising as they wished but they'd need to give equivalent time in equivalent slots to opposing candidates.  And they couldn't take money for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;since politicians need to raise tons of cash&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So how about we fix the original problem, then we won&#039;t need to worry about campaign finance laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>since politicians need to raise tons of cash</p></blockquote>
<p>So how about we fix the original problem, then we won't need to worry about campaign finance laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Cernig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cernig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James,

I do believe those &lt;strike&gt;partisan hacks&lt;/strike&gt; journalists just made an argument for saying FoxNews is a scam so that Rupert Murdoch can get around campaign finance rules. (Mind you, we Brits are used to it - his newspapers have endorsed every successful candidate for PM since at least 1979. No Murdoch, no victory.) The real beauty of it is...it makes profits that can then be pumped into even more campaigning! Genius. Why didn&#039;t Air America think of that?

Regards, C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,</p>
<p>I do believe those <strike>partisan hacks</strike> journalists just made an argument for saying FoxNews is a scam so that Rupert Murdoch can get around campaign finance rules. (Mind you, we Brits are used to it - his newspapers have endorsed every successful candidate for PM since at least 1979. No Murdoch, no victory.) The real beauty of it is...it makes profits that can then be pumped into even more campaigning! Genius. Why didn't Air America think of that?</p>
<p>Regards, C</p>
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