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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the primary problem is not that these surcharges exist but that they are not sufficiently documented (i.e. luggage fees, food fees, etc).  If Travelocity listed all these various add-ons before you actually purchase a flight, you might see a change.  

In an aside - as a father of a 8 year-old in the last decade, toys that used to not include batteries now have the batteries included despite the cost of adding these batteries since it helps the gift purchaser.  Now the gas is cheaper, I have a feeling that those airlines which include all the fees in the tickets will see a big uptick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the primary problem is not that these surcharges exist but that they are not sufficiently documented (i.e. luggage fees, food fees, etc).  If Travelocity listed all these various add-ons before you actually purchase a flight, you might see a change.  </p>
<p>In an aside - as a father of a 8 year-old in the last decade, toys that used to not include batteries now have the batteries included despite the cost of adding these batteries since it helps the gift purchaser.  Now the gas is cheaper, I have a feeling that those airlines which include all the fees in the tickets will see a big uptick.</p>
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		<title>By: Eneils Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eneils Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nyuck...Nyuck...Nyuck...

Welcome abroad, Curly,

Do you know anything about flying a plane?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nyuck...Nyuck...Nyuck...</p>
<p>Welcome abroad, Curly,</p>
<p>Do you know anything about flying a plane?</p>
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		<title>By: Eneils Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eneils Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When an airline stops treating its customers as customers they shouldn&#039;t be surprised when the customers stop treating them as a vendor.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, and you are exactly right...Don&#039;t like the way they treat you... choose another airline...or drive your car.
That&#039;s my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When an airline stops treating its customers as customers they shouldn't be surprised when the customers stop treating them as a vendor.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, and you are exactly right...Don't like the way they treat you... choose another airline...or drive your car.<br />
That's my point.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t a rights issue and shouldn&#039;t be turned into one.  It is about customer service and convenience.  When an airline stops treating its customers as customers they shouldn&#039;t be surprised when the customers stop treating them as a vendor.

Remember the People Express cheap air fares about 25 years ago?  I flew it once when I didn&#039;t have much money and decided I would drive or not go henceforth rather than fly People Express again.  Flying is uncomfortable enough without intentionally trying to make it worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn't a rights issue and shouldn't be turned into one.  It is about customer service and convenience.  When an airline stops treating its customers as customers they shouldn't be surprised when the customers stop treating them as a vendor.</p>
<p>Remember the People Express cheap air fares about 25 years ago?  I flew it once when I didn't have much money and decided I would drive or not go henceforth rather than fly People Express again.  Flying is uncomfortable enough without intentionally trying to make it worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Eneils Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eneils Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t like a surcharge for for using those 2 feet by 2 feet shitters on a plane.

I used to fly round trip across the country from Atlanta to San Francisco about once a month.

So, you no longer like the services and courtesies.
If you don&#039;t, get in your family car, drive across the country and piss in a Burger King cup and throw it out the window every few hundred miles.

Airlines are doing nothing more than than putting a coin box on the stalls at The East Bay Terminal in San Francisco, back in the sixties.

I have read the Constitution, no where in it did I find the &quot;Right to Piss.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't like a surcharge for for using those 2 feet by 2 feet shitters on a plane.</p>
<p>I used to fly round trip across the country from Atlanta to San Francisco about once a month.</p>
<p>So, you no longer like the services and courtesies.<br />
If you don't, get in your family car, drive across the country and piss in a Burger King cup and throw it out the window every few hundred miles.</p>
<p>Airlines are doing nothing more than than putting a coin box on the stalls at The East Bay Terminal in San Francisco, back in the sixties.</p>
<p>I have read the Constitution, no where in it did I find the "Right to Piss."</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If nothing else, Ryan Air led to the creation of discount airlines across Europe. Instead of paying $500 or more to fly from London to Rome (a distance surprisingly shorter than London to Edinburgh!), you could fly for under $100, round-trip on Ryan Air competitor Go! airlines (a BA spinoff). Ryan Air is promising 10-Euro fares to the US by the end of this year. So long as it&#039;s not standing-room only, I can put up with a lot of suffering for a $20 trans-Atlantic fare. Even if it means negotiating Stanstead Airport.

I travel fairly often up to DC from my SW Florida location. US Airways has direct flights to DCA, which is awfully convenient for me. Travel time in the air is about two-and-a-half hours. Fares are sometimes very good--right now, &lt;$90, minus fees and taxes, plus $15 for a checked bag. Including taxi fares to/from airports, it&#039;s around $220 for the trip. Sometimes, though, they can run over $600.

I can drive the 990 miles for less than the low fare, even with gas at $2.00/gal. Of course, it&#039;s a 15-hour drive, but that&#039;s not all that hard, even driving alone. The last few times I&#039;ve done the drive (as recently as last week), the round-trip was &lt;$200.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If nothing else, Ryan Air led to the creation of discount airlines across Europe. Instead of paying $500 or more to fly from London to Rome (a distance surprisingly shorter than London to Edinburgh!), you could fly for under $100, round-trip on Ryan Air competitor Go! airlines (a BA spinoff). Ryan Air is promising 10-Euro fares to the US by the end of this year. So long as it's not standing-room only, I can put up with a lot of suffering for a $20 trans-Atlantic fare. Even if it means negotiating Stanstead Airport.</p>
<p>I travel fairly often up to DC from my SW Florida location. US Airways has direct flights to DCA, which is awfully convenient for me. Travel time in the air is about two-and-a-half hours. Fares are sometimes very good--right now, &lt;$90, minus fees and taxes, plus $15 for a checked bag. Including taxi fares to/from airports, it's around $220 for the trip. Sometimes, though, they can run over $600.</p>
<p>I can drive the 990 miles for less than the low fare, even with gas at $2.00/gal. Of course, it's a 15-hour drive, but that's not all that hard, even driving alone. The last few times I've done the drive (as recently as last week), the round-trip was &lt;$200.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It won&#039;t be long before we see pay toilets on US planes.&lt;/em&gt;

I don&#039;t think so.  Americans will revolt first, and it&#039;s a good bet that a revolt on this subject will be, well, revolting.

After Ryanair gets a few seats saturated in urine, they&#039;ll rethink their policy too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It won't be long before we see pay toilets on US planes.</em></p>
<p>I don't think so.  Americans will revolt first, and it's a good bet that a revolt on this subject will be, well, revolting.</p>
<p>After Ryanair gets a few seats saturated in urine, they'll rethink their policy too.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ryanair is famous (or infamous) in the world of discount travel is the leader of no-frills cost cutting airtravel in Europe&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The only intra-Europe flying I&#039;ve done is connection flights I&#039;ve books from the US.  But I&#039;d be happy to get a cheap pay-as-you-go [ha!] flight for what would amount to a short commuter hop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ryanair is famous (or infamous) in the world of discount travel is the leader of no-frills cost cutting airtravel in Europe</p></blockquote>
<p>The only intra-Europe flying I've done is connection flights I've books from the US.  But I'd be happy to get a cheap pay-as-you-go [ha!] flight for what would amount to a short commuter hop.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Anderson, look; 

You could always find another mode of transportion. And trust me, people would, given a free market. You&#039;d be amazed how quickly air travel would drop off. My BS threshold in my travels already has me not flying for a little over a decade, now. What other peoples&#039;s threshold for staying off planes is, I can&#039;t say exactly, but I&#039;m willing to bet this would cover a lot of them.

Else, you could treat it like any other pay toilet.. and crawl under. Ummm crawl under the plane, I mean.

(Ya know, timing jokes don&#039;t work as well in print)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Anderson, look; </p>
<p>You could always find another mode of transportion. And trust me, people would, given a free market. You'd be amazed how quickly air travel would drop off. My BS threshold in my travels already has me not flying for a little over a decade, now. What other peoples's threshold for staying off planes is, I can't say exactly, but I'm willing to bet this would cover a lot of them.</p>
<p>Else, you could treat it like any other pay toilet.. and crawl under. Ummm crawl under the plane, I mean.</p>
<p>(Ya know, timing jokes don't work as well in print)</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, I thought you were a man of the world.  Ryanair is famous (or infamous) in the world of discount travel is the leader of no-frills cost cutting airtravel in Europe.  I believe they were scheduled to begin service to North America this year.  They offer incredibly low fares (some as low as $1), but everything else costs (luggage, food, etc., but then again US airlines are adopting that model).  It won&#039;t be long before we see pay toilets on US planes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I thought you were a man of the world.  Ryanair is famous (or infamous) in the world of discount travel is the leader of no-frills cost cutting airtravel in Europe.  I believe they were scheduled to begin service to North America this year.  They offer incredibly low fares (some as low as $1), but everything else costs (luggage, food, etc., but then again US airlines are adopting that model).  It won't be long before we see pay toilets on US planes.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there&#039;s not already a federal regulation requiring the provision of free bathrooms to air passengers, it should be no great trouble to enact one.

(Nanny state!  Nanny state!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there's not already a federal regulation requiring the provision of free bathrooms to air passengers, it should be no great trouble to enact one.</p>
<p>(Nanny state!  Nanny state!)</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guys could sneak a leak in the barf bag...as for the ladies....</description>
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