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		<title>By: CorkyMoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>CorkyMoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is literally impossible for the government to protect its citizens to any significant degree from terrorists.  There is probably an unlimited number of ways the terrorists could use to strike.  Government&#039;s punishments are free food, housing and medical for the rest of their lives.  Do you see any thing wrong here????

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is literally impossible for the government to protect its citizens to any significant degree from terrorists.  There is probably an unlimited number of ways the terrorists could use to strike.  Government's punishments are free food, housing and medical for the rest of their lives.  Do you see any thing wrong here????</p>
<p>CorkyMoo.com</p>
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		<title>By: Assorted Babble by Suzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Assorted Babble by Suzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Thankful for No Terror Attacks since 9/11...&lt;/strong&gt;

We have many things to be thankful for and one is that our President and all the intelligent agencies are working vigorously to prevent terror attacks here in our homeland. If we only knew, just how many plans that have been foiled since 9/11 it  ........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Thankful for No Terror Attacks since 9/11...</strong></p>
<p>We have many things to be thankful for and one is that our President and all the intelligent agencies are working vigorously to prevent terror attacks here in our homeland. If we only knew, just how many plans that have been foiled since 9/11 it  ........</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure is good to know the Bush admin is cutting anti-terror funds to NYC &amp; San Francisco...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure is good to know the Bush admin is cutting anti-terror funds to NYC &amp; San Francisco...</p>
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		<title>By: Global Geopolitics News &#187; Intelligence News - Media Monday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Geopolitics News &#187; Intelligence News - Media Monday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Al-Qaeda Planned Chemical Attack on NYC SubwayOutside Beltway - Al-Qaeda was ready to launch a chemical weapons attack on the New York City subway system in 2003 but it was called off by Osama bin Laden s deputy for unknown reasons. Al-Qaeda terrorists came within 45 days of attacking the New York subway system [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Al-Qaeda Planned Chemical Attack on NYC SubwayOutside Beltway - Al-Qaeda was ready to launch a chemical weapons attack on the New York City subway system in 2003 but it was called off by Osama bin Laden s deputy for unknown reasons. Al-Qaeda terrorists came within 45 days of attacking the New York subway system [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lily:

Be sure and let the terrorist know that you wanted them to be released from GITMO just before they cut your head off with a knife.

What part of &quot;You are the enemy&quot; don&#039;t you comprehend ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lily:</p>
<p>Be sure and let the terrorist know that you wanted them to be released from GITMO just before they cut your head off with a knife.</p>
<p>What part of "You are the enemy" don't you comprehend ?</p>
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		<title>By: lily</title>
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		<dc:creator>lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There shouldn&#039;t be anybody in custody at Gitmo.  In this country we are supposed to believe in the rule of law and the Gitmo people should either be charged and tried or released.
  At this point there isn&#039;t much basis for assuming that they are all terrorists.  Some might be but, since there has been plenty of time for investigation and no charges, it is quite likely that many are there simply because no one wants to admit that they were innocent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There shouldn't be anybody in custody at Gitmo.  In this country we are supposed to believe in the rule of law and the Gitmo people should either be charged and tried or released.<br />
  At this point there isn't much basis for assuming that they are all terrorists.  Some might be but, since there has been plenty of time for investigation and no charges, it is quite likely that many are there simply because no one wants to admit that they were innocent.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a reasonable guesstimate on the impact of the attack could look at the Sarin gas attack in Tokyo 1995. 500+ injured, 5 dead (if I remember correctly). Yes we are dealing with different chemicals, multiple vs single point attacks, different loading and cultural patterns. From my riding the Tokyo subway system, 1% of the riders would literally sleep through the attack.

Either AQ never really planned this or they did. If they didn&#039;t we may have given them an idea. If they have, we either reminded them (not likely to have been forgotten) or there was a serious flaw (like more people would get hurt announcing a shoe sale at Macy&#039;s).

Or this could just be a way to get AQ to bite their own tail going after a mole. If so, they would need to have baited it with accurate information about the attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a reasonable guesstimate on the impact of the attack could look at the Sarin gas attack in Tokyo 1995. 500+ injured, 5 dead (if I remember correctly). Yes we are dealing with different chemicals, multiple vs single point attacks, different loading and cultural patterns. From my riding the Tokyo subway system, 1% of the riders would literally sleep through the attack.</p>
<p>Either AQ never really planned this or they did. If they didn't we may have given them an idea. If they have, we either reminded them (not likely to have been forgotten) or there was a serious flaw (like more people would get hurt announcing a shoe sale at Macy's).</p>
<p>Or this could just be a way to get AQ to bite their own tail going after a mole. If so, they would need to have baited it with accurate information about the attack.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iraq--and arguably Iran--had binary artillery shells during their 1980s war. That technology, as noted, is old-hat.

There&#039;s a corollary to &quot;has to be large,&quot; however: &quot;have a lot of them.&quot; If these devices can be as small as a soft-drink can, then it wouldn&#039;t take major efforts to disperse them in the tens, if not hundreds. It&#039;d probably be more effective that way, anyway.

Body counts, by the way, aren&#039;t the only measure of success. A few of these devices, if set off in widely dispersed areas--say, for instance, shopping malls or cinemas in a dozen Mid Western cities--would do the job of sowing terror just perfectly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iraq--and arguably Iran--had binary artillery shells during their 1980s war. That technology, as noted, is old-hat.</p>
<p>There's a corollary to "has to be large," however: "have a lot of them." If these devices can be as small as a soft-drink can, then it wouldn't take major efforts to disperse them in the tens, if not hundreds. It'd probably be more effective that way, anyway.</p>
<p>Body counts, by the way, aren't the only measure of success. A few of these devices, if set off in widely dispersed areas--say, for instance, shopping malls or cinemas in a dozen Mid Western cities--would do the job of sowing terror just perfectly...</p>
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		<title>By: The Mubtakkar: Al-Qaeda&#8217;s Planned Poison-gas Attack on the N.Y. Subway--Blogs of War</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mubtakkar: Al-Qaeda&#8217;s Planned Poison-gas Attack on the N.Y. Subway--Blogs of War</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Update: James Joyner is skeptical: I can’t help being a bit dubious of this level of detailed intelligence being in the hands of a reporter, kept secret long enough for him to write a book, combined with the lack of an attack in the subsequent three years. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Update: James Joyner is skeptical: I can&rsquo;t help being a bit dubious of this level of detailed intelligence being in the hands of a reporter, kept secret long enough for him to write a book, combined with the lack of an attack in the subsequent three years. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Crab Boulevard &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Helpful Guide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Crab Boulevard &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Helpful Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 14:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE: Others: Protein Wisdom, Outside the Beltway, Ann Althouse, The Sundries Shack, Classical Values, Blogs of War, Mac&#039;s Mind, Security Watchtower, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This story strikes me as a bit odd.

The concept of a binary chemical weapon is old news. So old I don&#039;t even know who first theorized about developing one. I do know that we began manufacturing rocket delivered binary chemical munitions in the late 1970s/early 1980s.

The odd part is the technical challenge. US engineers had to develop binary seals that could withstand the force of instantaneous rocket acceleration. A terrorist merely has to identify and manufacture a seal that can withstand the likely corrosive effects of the chemicals for hours or days. A seal that can be breached by some sort of detonator. Does not seem to me to be a big challenge.

And surely a couple of CIA engineers could probably knock something like this out over a weekend, given a sufficient supply of beer.

I imagine it would be smart to replicate the terrorist&#039;s design. But I can&#039;t help wondering how effective such a device would actually be.

What concentration of the gas is necessary to have a fatal effect? Unlike Nazi death chambers, most buildings are not air tight. Maybe the subways would be a more deadly location, gases would tend to drift downward. It seems to me that (using the Tokyo attack as a yardstick) weapons of these types would have to be very large. The weapon would need to create a large volume of gas over an extended period of time (scenes from 24 not withstanding) in order to threaten more than 50 or 100 people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story strikes me as a bit odd.</p>
<p>The concept of a binary chemical weapon is old news. So old I don't even know who first theorized about developing one. I do know that we began manufacturing rocket delivered binary chemical munitions in the late 1970s/early 1980s.</p>
<p>The odd part is the technical challenge. US engineers had to develop binary seals that could withstand the force of instantaneous rocket acceleration. A terrorist merely has to identify and manufacture a seal that can withstand the likely corrosive effects of the chemicals for hours or days. A seal that can be breached by some sort of detonator. Does not seem to me to be a big challenge.</p>
<p>And surely a couple of CIA engineers could probably knock something like this out over a weekend, given a sufficient supply of beer.</p>
<p>I imagine it would be smart to replicate the terrorist's design. But I can't help wondering how effective such a device would actually be.</p>
<p>What concentration of the gas is necessary to have a fatal effect? Unlike Nazi death chambers, most buildings are not air tight. Maybe the subways would be a more deadly location, gases would tend to drift downward. It seems to me that (using the Tokyo attack as a yardstick) weapons of these types would have to be very large. The weapon would need to create a large volume of gas over an extended period of time (scenes from 24 not withstanding) in order to threaten more than 50 or 100 people.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever we do, let&#039;s not &quot;Mistreat&quot; those we have in custody at GITMO, and let&#039;s be very careful not to humiliate those who would do us harm. (Sarcasm)

What will it take to get the &quot;goody to shoes&quot; anti American, cowards and those who want to release every terrorist we have in jail, to see a little light ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever we do, let's not "Mistreat" those we have in custody at GITMO, and let's be very careful not to humiliate those who would do us harm. (Sarcasm)</p>
<p>What will it take to get the "goody to shoes" anti American, cowards and those who want to release every terrorist we have in jail, to see a little light ?</p>
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		<title>By: Suitably Flip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suitably Flip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Phew!...&lt;/strong&gt;

I tell you, I&#039;m feeling better and better about that 40% cut in New York&#039;s federal anti-terror funding.  Sure, al Qaeda was set to unleash a cyanide bomb attack in the city&#039;s subway system in 2003, but they did call it off, after all....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Phew!...</strong></p>
<p>I tell you, I'm feeling better and better about that 40% cut in New York's federal anti-terror funding.  Sure, al Qaeda was set to unleash a cyanide bomb attack in the city's subway system in 2003, but they did call it off, after all....</p>
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		<title>By: Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</title>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Book: Qaeda Planned NY Subway Attack...&lt;/strong&gt;

A new book claims U.S. officials received intelligence that al Qaeda operatives were just 45 days fr...</description>
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