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	<title>Comments on: Al Franken Won: Minnesota Supreme Court &#8211; Coleman Concedes</title>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/al_franken_won_minnesota_supreme_court_/comment-page-1/#comment-1082577</link>
		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you still reading this long thread you might want to read this summary at Powerline:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/06/023933.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Al Franklin Won Minnesota &lt;/a&gt;

This short part part towards the end of the article does not do the article justice but it is concise.

&quot;JOHN adds: We are left with the realization that every Republican in a statewide race here in Minnesota starts a few thousand votes in the hole, due to the disparate standards for judging absentee ballots used in Republican-leaning versus Democratic-leaning counties. Of course, that understates the case: the Republican starts out farther behind than that, due to illegal votes that cannot be prevented because of the Democratic Party&#039;s blocking of a photo ID requirement. We have no real idea of the magnitude of this disadvantage.

I have little doubt that Coleman received more legal, properly cast votes than Franken. But the election wasn&#039;t &quot;stolen;&quot; not during the post-election phase, anyway. Elections are a human institution, and as such are imperfect. The process in Minnesota is pretty good, but when an election is basically a tie, minor imperfections loom large.

The moral of the story, I guess, is that Republican counties should loosen their absentee ballot standards; that is to say, quit following the law.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you still reading this long thread you might want to read this summary at Powerline:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/06/023933.php" rel="nofollow">Al Franklin Won Minnesota </a></p>
<p>This short part part towards the end of the article does not do the article justice but it is concise.</p>
<p>"JOHN adds: We are left with the realization that every Republican in a statewide race here in Minnesota starts a few thousand votes in the hole, due to the disparate standards for judging absentee ballots used in Republican-leaning versus Democratic-leaning counties. Of course, that understates the case: the Republican starts out farther behind than that, due to illegal votes that cannot be prevented because of the Democratic Party's blocking of a photo ID requirement. We have no real idea of the magnitude of this disadvantage.</p>
<p>I have little doubt that Coleman received more legal, properly cast votes than Franken. But the election wasn't "stolen;" not during the post-election phase, anyway. Elections are a human institution, and as such are imperfect. The process in Minnesota is pretty good, but when an election is basically a tie, minor imperfections loom large.</p>
<p>The moral of the story, I guess, is that Republican counties should loosen their absentee ballot standards; that is to say, quit following the law."</p>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/al_franken_won_minnesota_supreme_court_/comment-page-1/#comment-1082531</link>
		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of you sound as ridiculous, if not worse, than many of the liberals who were complaining during the Bush years...how interesting to see the shoe on the other foot...I hope you enjoy the next 4-8 years as I&#039;m sure you will be provided with many opportunities to bitch and complain...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you sound as ridiculous, if not worse, than many of the liberals who were complaining during the Bush years...how interesting to see the shoe on the other foot...I hope you enjoy the next 4-8 years as I'm sure you will be provided with many opportunities to bitch and complain...</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aip; 
&quot;2+2 equals 4&quot; was reference to Kipling&#039;s &quot;Gods of the Copybook Headings&quot; which inspired Orwell to use it in his book &quot;1984&quot; as a symbol of futile resistance. It was an implied reference to tyranny,  not specifically communism.

 Enjoy your &quot;brave new world&quot;! Another phrase from Kipling&#039;s same poem which inspired Huxley&#039;s book, which is also a good read.

Still... I recommend Kipling&#039;s poem, it says more in one page than than Axelrod&#039;s puppet could read from his monitor in a month.

   &quot;If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever.&quot;
 Unless of course....  &quot;The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aip;<br />
"2+2 equals 4" was reference to Kipling's "Gods of the Copybook Headings" which inspired Orwell to use it in his book "1984" as a symbol of futile resistance. It was an implied reference to tyranny,  not specifically communism.</p>
<p> Enjoy your "brave new world"! Another phrase from Kipling's same poem which inspired Huxley's book, which is also a good read.</p>
<p>Still... I recommend Kipling's poem, it says more in one page than than Axelrod's puppet could read from his monitor in a month.</p>
<p>   "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever."<br />
 Unless of course....  "The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!"</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This from a person who doesn&#039;t even believe in evolution...pardon me if I&#039;m underwhelmed...&lt;/blockquote&gt;Why the **** would I believe in evolution anymore, It&#039;s a lie, lol, dude......there is no PAAAAAARRROOOOOFFfffff, there is not but a blind faith, it&#039;s a fiction of liberal imag..er,indoctranation.....

Grow up and fear God for the right reasons.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This from a person who doesn't even believe in evolution...pardon me if I'm underwhelmed...</p></blockquote>
<p>Why the **** would I believe in evolution anymore, It's a lie, lol, dude......there is no PAAAAAARRROOOOOFFfffff, there is not but a blind faith, it's a fiction of liberal imag..er,indoctranation.....</p>
<p>Grow up and fear God for the right reasons.......</p>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/al_franken_won_minnesota_supreme_court_/comment-page-1/#comment-1081694</link>
		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh look, &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/01/inhofe-on-franken-we-are_n_223981.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a pot is about to meet a kettle&lt;/A&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh look, <a HREF="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/01/inhofe-on-franken-we-are_n_223981.html" rel="nofollow">a pot is about to meet a kettle</a>...</p>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: fester July 1, 2009 14:43

You mean it isn&#039;t an ACORN conspiracy!?!  How shocking!!!  Who knew...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: fester July 1, 2009 14:43</p>
<p>You mean it isn't an ACORN conspiracy!?!  How shocking!!!  Who knew...</p>
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		<title>By: fester</title>
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		<dc:creator>fester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Tom P --- on the question why Democratic candidates tend to gain net votes on a recount and recanvass as well as the inclusion of provisional ballots:

Class and access.

Democrats have proportionally much higher levels of elecotral support from individuals who are marginally connected to civil society.  These classes of individuals are statistically more likely to not completely fill out the ballot exactly as specified but can demonstrately show their clear intent on whom they wanted to vote for (for example filling in the circle for Franken and writing next to the circle &quot;Al Franken&quot;).  Where the law allows for clear demonstration of intent to count as a vote in a recanvass or a recount, that will produce a net increase in votes for Democrats.  

And the same applies to provisional voters.  Provisional ballots tend to be distributed to individuals who are newly registered voters, younger, more transient, and  less white.  Any of those characteristics are Democratic vote leaning characteristics in the past few cycles.  Again, if the race is close and the provisionals are resolved, this will lead to a net vote gain for Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Tom P --- on the question why Democratic candidates tend to gain net votes on a recount and recanvass as well as the inclusion of provisional ballots:</p>
<p>Class and access.</p>
<p>Democrats have proportionally much higher levels of elecotral support from individuals who are marginally connected to civil society.  These classes of individuals are statistically more likely to not completely fill out the ballot exactly as specified but can demonstrately show their clear intent on whom they wanted to vote for (for example filling in the circle for Franken and writing next to the circle "Al Franken").  Where the law allows for clear demonstration of intent to count as a vote in a recanvass or a recount, that will produce a net increase in votes for Democrats.  </p>
<p>And the same applies to provisional voters.  Provisional ballots tend to be distributed to individuals who are newly registered voters, younger, more transient, and  less white.  Any of those characteristics are Democratic vote leaning characteristics in the past few cycles.  Again, if the race is close and the provisionals are resolved, this will lead to a net vote gain for Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No, actually... So YOU claim, one can hardly be REeducated unless one is first educated.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, &quot;reeducation camp&quot; is just a euphemism (one would think an educated person would know that) for a nasty place where totalitarian governments send people, and since you seem to think that&#039;s where our government is headed, you&#039;ll be first on the list to go to such a place...and yes, 2+2 equals 4, but that doesn&#039;t mean we&#039;re on the road to communism...

&lt;blockquote&gt;lol, I would recommend a 30 day program to get him of the Coolaid first.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This from a person who doesn&#039;t even believe in evolution...pardon me if I&#039;m underwhelmed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No, actually... So YOU claim, one can hardly be REeducated unless one is first educated.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, "reeducation camp" is just a euphemism (one would think an educated person would know that) for a nasty place where totalitarian governments send people, and since you seem to think that's where our government is headed, you'll be first on the list to go to such a place...and yes, 2+2 equals 4, but that doesn't mean we're on the road to communism...</p>
<blockquote><p>lol, I would recommend a 30 day program to get him of the Coolaid first.</p></blockquote>
<p>This from a person who doesn't even believe in evolution...pardon me if I'm underwhelmed...</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;At least I have an education,Where would they cart you off too? ... an education camp?&lt;/blockquote&gt;lol, I would recommend a 30 day program to get him of the Coolaid first.

Detoxify baby.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>At least I have an education,Where would they cart you off too? ... an education camp?</p></blockquote>
<p>lol, I would recommend a 30 day program to get him of the Coolaid first.</p>
<p>Detoxify baby.....</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ponder, my freinds, after all of that.... ending up with Stuart Smalley being the face of the Democrat party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ponder, my freinds, after all of that.... ending up with Stuart Smalley being the face of the Democrat party.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So you claim...&quot;
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 No, actually... So YOU claim, one can hardly be REeducated unless one is first educated.

I apologize for missing your ridicule of Franken, and will accept that it was implied.
 

BTW;  &quot;2+2 still equals 4 [at least outside the reeducation camps]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"So you claim..."<br />
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""<br />
 No, actually... So YOU claim, one can hardly be REeducated unless one is first educated.</p>
<p>I apologize for missing your ridicule of Franken, and will accept that it was implied.</p>
<p>BTW;  "2+2 still equals 4 [at least outside the reeducation camps]</p>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/al_franken_won_minnesota_supreme_court_/comment-page-1/#comment-1081375</link>
		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;At least I have an education...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So you claim...

&lt;blockquote&gt;Where would they cart you off too?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No where, as I do not believe in the ridiculous Soviet-style future fantasy world that you have created in your supposed &quot;educated&quot; mind...

&lt;blockquote&gt;I also notice you put a great deal of credence in talk show hosts...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not at all, what you mistake for &quot;credence&quot; is actually ridicule...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>At least I have an education...</p></blockquote>
<p>So you claim...</p>
<blockquote><p>Where would they cart you off too?</p></blockquote>
<p>No where, as I do not believe in the ridiculous Soviet-style future fantasy world that you have created in your supposed "educated" mind...</p>
<blockquote><p>I also notice you put a great deal of credence in talk show hosts...</p></blockquote>
<p>Not at all, what you mistake for "credence" is actually ridicule...</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aip; 
 At least I have an education,Where would they cart you off too? ... an education camp?

 I also notice you put a great deal of credence in talk show hosts from both sides, Limbaugh is hardly Senate material either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aip;<br />
 At least I have an education,Where would they cart you off too? ... an education camp?</p>
<p> I also notice you put a great deal of credence in talk show hosts from both sides, Limbaugh is hardly Senate material either.</p>
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		<title>By: PD</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon Norm, at least let the Guardian Council look at the ballots; it would just take a few hours to get a top-certified tally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C'mon Norm, at least let the Guardian Council look at the ballots; it would just take a few hours to get a top-certified tally.</p>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/al_franken_won_minnesota_supreme_court_/comment-page-1/#comment-1080716</link>
		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So...who likes &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.politicususa.com/en/Limbaugh-MN-Recount&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this comparison&lt;/A&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So...who likes <a HREF="http://www.politicususa.com/en/Limbaugh-MN-Recount" rel="nofollow">this comparison</a>...</p>
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