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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/al_qaeda_leadership_in_iran/comment-page-1/#comment-138772</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G.A.Phillips,  Please keep in mind that I am only talking about what would seem to be in Iran&#039;s best interest, and am not making any statements about which groups or actions are morally right or wrong.

I would like to point out, though, that while Iran&#039;s interests do not align with our interests, Al Qaeda&#039;s interests do not align with our existance, something I find all together more troubling.  For that reason, I would rather we capture Osama Bin Laden instead of Ahmadinejad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G.A.Phillips,  Please keep in mind that I am only talking about what would seem to be in Iran's best interest, and am not making any statements about which groups or actions are morally right or wrong.</p>
<p>I would like to point out, though, that while Iran's interests do not align with our interests, Al Qaeda's interests do not align with our existance, something I find all together more troubling.  For that reason, I would rather we capture Osama Bin Laden instead of Ahmadinejad.</p>
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		<title>By: Cernig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cernig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken Timmerman? &lt;a href=&quot;http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/2006/03/exclusive-neocon-expert-caught-out.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LOL!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken Timmerman? <a href="http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/2006/03/exclusive-neocon-expert-caught-out.html" rel="nofollow">LOL!</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marketing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iran cooperation with Al Qaeda is nothing new. The bipartisan 9-11 Commission Report had extensive coverage of this. Anyone that doubts the connection should just go read it.

Also, Bill Gertz, Richard Miniter, Ken Timmerman and Curt Weldon have all written books discussing Iranian connections to Al Qaeda...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iran cooperation with Al Qaeda is nothing new. The bipartisan 9-11 Commission Report had extensive coverage of this. Anyone that doubts the connection should just go read it.</p>
<p>Also, Bill Gertz, Richard Miniter, Ken Timmerman and Curt Weldon have all written books discussing Iranian connections to Al Qaeda...</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

It was the impression that I got, but I was not saying that&#039;s what you meant, which explains the ?

but then you respond with,

*****Iran&#039;s goal is to replace western (US) hegemony in the region with their own, Al Qaeda&#039;s goal is to replace governments and institutions with their own. To that end, they are antithetical to each other. Hamas and Islamic Jihad want to replace Israel with an Islamic state, which Iran wants in it&#039;s sphere of influence. To that end, they are compatible.*****

replace?
 
do you see why now?

Those are some very soft words for what I see as 4 different banners of the same murder-crazed fanatical true believers and it seemed like the first time you where excusing 3 of them as not so bad,and you seemed to infer that because they were after Israel, which explains my use of the analogy of good and bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>It was the impression that I got, but I was not saying that's what you meant, which explains the ?</p>
<p>but then you respond with,</p>
<p>*****Iran's goal is to replace western (US) hegemony in the region with their own, Al Qaeda's goal is to replace governments and institutions with their own. To that end, they are antithetical to each other. Hamas and Islamic Jihad want to replace Israel with an Islamic state, which Iran wants in it's sphere of influence. To that end, they are compatible.*****</p>
<p>replace?</p>
<p>do you see why now?</p>
<p>Those are some very soft words for what I see as 4 different banners of the same murder-crazed fanatical true believers and it seemed like the first time you where excusing 3 of them as not so bad,and you seemed to infer that because they were after Israel, which explains my use of the analogy of good and bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cernig, the frightening thing is that is close to the truth.  Iran&#039;s backing the Shiite militias, with the exception of Sadr, whom *we* are fighting.  Al Qaida&#039;s actions have led to a horrifying ethnic war, which will be won by the Shiites, further aiding Iran.  Again, we are fighting both the Sunni Arab Iraqis (Iran&#039;s enemies) and Al Qaida - both poorly enough that they can still fight on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cernig, the frightening thing is that is close to the truth.  Iran's backing the Shiite militias, with the exception of Sadr, whom *we* are fighting.  Al Qaida's actions have led to a horrifying ethnic war, which will be won by the Shiites, further aiding Iran.  Again, we are fighting both the Sunni Arab Iraqis (Iran's enemies) and Al Qaida - both poorly enough that they can still fight on.</p>
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		<title>By: Cernig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cernig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, if all the demonization the far right has done on Iran were true, then we would have entirely lost in Iraq and Iran would be the clear victor, having co-opted Shia, Kurds, Sunni and Al Qaeda to their plans. Worse, we would now be spending US lives in Iraq cleaning house on their behalf, so that their most favored proxies won&#039;t have to worry about their least favored proxies getting in the way of doing Iran&#039;s exact bidding.

And all on Dubya&#039;s watch.

Regards, C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, if all the demonization the far right has done on Iran were true, then we would have entirely lost in Iraq and Iran would be the clear victor, having co-opted Shia, Kurds, Sunni and Al Qaeda to their plans. Worse, we would now be spending US lives in Iraq cleaning house on their behalf, so that their most favored proxies won't have to worry about their least favored proxies getting in the way of doing Iran's exact bidding.</p>
<p>And all on Dubya's watch.</p>
<p>Regards, C</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What always amazes me is that, last I heard, a couple of the major militia/parties in the Iraqi government were formed in Iran.  To the extent that Iran is playing games in Iraq, they wouldn&#039;t *need* to play cloak-and-dagger games; they&#039;d use sympathetic parties and militias already in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What always amazes me is that, last I heard, a couple of the major militia/parties in the Iraqi government were formed in Iran.  To the extent that Iran is playing games in Iraq, they wouldn't *need* to play cloak-and-dagger games; they'd use sympathetic parties and militias already in place.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been rumors of this kind since early in 2002.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=%22al+qaeda%22+iran+2002&amp;btnG=Google+Search&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a sample&lt;/a&gt;.

I honestly don&#039;t get much out of this story.  The present Iranian regime is not favorably-disposed to us.  They have interests of their own.  They&#039;re willing to support other enemies of ours against us.  How is any of this earth-shattering?

Stories of this sort are mostly good for generating complaints that we&#039;re ginning up a war against Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been rumors of this kind since early in 2002.  <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=%22al+qaeda%22+iran+2002&amp;btnG=Google+Search" rel="nofollow">Here's a sample</a>.</p>
<p>I honestly don't get much out of this story.  The present Iranian regime is not favorably-disposed to us.  They have interests of their own.  They're willing to support other enemies of ours against us.  How is any of this earth-shattering?</p>
<p>Stories of this sort are mostly good for generating complaints that we're ginning up a war against Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the AQ HQ in Iran right next to Saddam&#039;s WMD stockpile?  Then we could hit both at once!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the AQ HQ in Iran right next to Saddam's WMD stockpile?  Then we could hit both at once!</p>
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		<title>By: Cernig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cernig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James. re-read the piece with the same eye as you applied to the Guardian report. Eli Lake is sourcing his report on what the &lt;em&gt;classified&lt;/em&gt; portion of the NIE says (so no, we won&#039;t see if it says what Lake says it does) on &quot;three American intelligence sources&quot; (not &quot;officials&quot; - they needn&#039;t even be members of the administration so how did they get access to a classified report?) and &quot;an intelligence official sympathetic to the view that it is a matter of Iranian policy to cooperate with Al Qaeda&quot; i.e. someone from Cheney&#039;s office who has already made his mind up.

Agitprop.

Co-incidentally, Heritage Foundation insider and blogger Captain Ed will have Lake and some bod from the Heritage Foundation on CQ radio tonight. Smooth.

Regards, C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James. re-read the piece with the same eye as you applied to the Guardian report. Eli Lake is sourcing his report on what the <em>classified</em> portion of the NIE says (so no, we won't see if it says what Lake says it does) on "three American intelligence sources" (not "officials" - they needn't even be members of the administration so how did they get access to a classified report?) and "an intelligence official sympathetic to the view that it is a matter of Iranian policy to cooperate with Al Qaeda" i.e. someone from Cheney's office who has already made his mind up.</p>
<p>Agitprop.</p>
<p>Co-incidentally, Heritage Foundation insider and blogger Captain Ed will have Lake and some bod from the Heritage Foundation on CQ radio tonight. Smooth.</p>
<p>Regards, C</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G.A.Phillips, how in the world did you read all of that into my post?

I didn&#039;t say Hamas and Islamic Jihad are good terrorists (there is no such thing anyway), I said that they don&#039;t pose a threat to Iran.  You&#039;ll also notice I never mentioned Israel in my post, and was referring only to positions on foreign *Islamic* governments.  

Iran&#039;s goal is to replace western (US) hegemony in the region with their own, Al Qaeda&#039;s goal is to replace governments and institutions with their own.  To that end, they are antithetical to each other.  Hamas and Islamic Jihad want to replace Israel with an Islamic state, which Iran wants in it&#039;s sphere of influence.  To that end, they are compatible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G.A.Phillips, how in the world did you read all of that into my post?</p>
<p>I didn't say Hamas and Islamic Jihad are good terrorists (there is no such thing anyway), I said that they don't pose a threat to Iran.  You'll also notice I never mentioned Israel in my post, and was referring only to positions on foreign *Islamic* governments.  </p>
<p>Iran's goal is to replace western (US) hegemony in the region with their own, Al Qaeda's goal is to replace governments and institutions with their own.  To that end, they are antithetical to each other.  Hamas and Islamic Jihad want to replace Israel with an Islamic state, which Iran wants in it's sphere of influence.  To that end, they are compatible.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is &quot;rubbish&quot;, is the continuous pushing by this pathetic administration of the concept that somehow IRAN is now linked to Al Qaeda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is "rubbish", is the continuous pushing by this pathetic administration of the concept that somehow IRAN is now linked to Al Qaeda.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micheal? you said,
******The Iranians, contrary to some people&#039;s beliefs, are not fanatical Islamists. Al Qaeda may be willing to work with Iran, but I doubt Iran would have any interest in working with Al Qaeda. They don&#039;t have the same goals, operating procedures, or even enemies. On top of all that. Iran couldn&#039;t trust Al Qaeda, because they&#039;d be as much a target in the future as the USA is now.
Neither Hamas nor Islamic Jihad want to overthrow the government of other Islamic states, they pose no threat to Iran&#039;s government and provide a popular propaganda tool. Al Qaeda on the other hand would just as soon overthrow the Iranian government and Supreme Council.*****

So Hammas and Islamic Jihad are good terrorists because they only want to destroy Israel? And Iran is not Fanatical Isalmists because of this same position, and Al Qaeda are are bad terrorists because they might turn on the good terrorists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micheal? you said,<br />
******The Iranians, contrary to some people's beliefs, are not fanatical Islamists. Al Qaeda may be willing to work with Iran, but I doubt Iran would have any interest in working with Al Qaeda. They don't have the same goals, operating procedures, or even enemies. On top of all that. Iran couldn't trust Al Qaeda, because they'd be as much a target in the future as the USA is now.<br />
Neither Hamas nor Islamic Jihad want to overthrow the government of other Islamic states, they pose no threat to Iran's government and provide a popular propaganda tool. Al Qaeda on the other hand would just as soon overthrow the Iranian government and Supreme Council.*****</p>
<p>So Hammas and Islamic Jihad are good terrorists because they only want to destroy Israel? And Iran is not Fanatical Isalmists because of this same position, and Al Qaeda are are bad terrorists because they might turn on the good terrorists?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Uhh...Why don&#039;t we ever hear about SAUDI ARABIA?!?!

Given the fact that most of the foreign fighters captured in Iraq are from Saudi, maybe we should start putting pressure on the Wacky Whabbis who are the main supporters of Al Qaeda?!?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Come now, how is this going to help us start a war with Iran?  Let&#039;s get serious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Uhh...Why don't we ever hear about SAUDI ARABIA?!?!</p>
<p>Given the fact that most of the foreign fighters captured in Iraq are from Saudi, maybe we should start putting pressure on the Wacky Whabbis who are the main supporters of Al Qaeda?!?
</p></blockquote>
<p>Come now, how is this going to help us start a war with Iran?  Let's get serious.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is long past time that one important piece of fantastical rubbish be finally sent on its way: this is the idea that Islamists maintain some kind of fastidious ethnic and theological separatism when it comes to who they’re willing to work with on killing people.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The Iranians, contrary to some people&#039;s beliefs, are not fanatical Islamists.  Al Qaeda may be willing to work with Iran, but I doubt Iran would have any interest in working with Al Qaeda.  They don&#039;t have the same goals, operating procedures, or even enemies.  On top of all that. Iran couldn&#039;t trust Al Qaeda, because they&#039;d be as much a target in the future as the USA is now.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The co-option of Hamas and Islamic Jihad (Sunni Arab) by Iran (Shia Persian) is one piece of reality that intrudes on this comforting notion;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Neither Hamas nor Islamic Jihad want to overthrow the government of other Islamic states, they pose no threat to Iran&#039;s government and provide a popular propaganda tool.  Al Qaeda on the other hand would just as soon overthrow the Iranian government and Supreme Council.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is long past time that one important piece of fantastical rubbish be finally sent on its way: this is the idea that Islamists maintain some kind of fastidious ethnic and theological separatism when it comes to who they&rsquo;re willing to work with on killing people.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Iranians, contrary to some people's beliefs, are not fanatical Islamists.  Al Qaeda may be willing to work with Iran, but I doubt Iran would have any interest in working with Al Qaeda.  They don't have the same goals, operating procedures, or even enemies.  On top of all that. Iran couldn't trust Al Qaeda, because they'd be as much a target in the future as the USA is now.</p>
<blockquote><p>The co-option of Hamas and Islamic Jihad (Sunni Arab) by Iran (Shia Persian) is one piece of reality that intrudes on this comforting notion;</p></blockquote>
<p>Neither Hamas nor Islamic Jihad want to overthrow the government of other Islamic states, they pose no threat to Iran's government and provide a popular propaganda tool.  Al Qaeda on the other hand would just as soon overthrow the Iranian government and Supreme Council.</p>
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