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		<title>By: payday cash loan</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/alabama_amendment_2/comment-page-1/#comment-38260</link>
		<dc:creator>payday cash loan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2005 05:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Felicia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s fine for folks outside of Alabama to be a fans of Roy Moore but I DO live in Alabama and would appreciate it if one of ya&#039;ll would offer him a job elsewhere and let us get back to the work of raising the state out of crushing poverty.  Gov. Riley tried to restructure the horribly regressive tax structure and take the school system forward.  

The amendment in question was very much a Hell No! response to Brown v Board, when some cities and counties here chose to close their public schools entirely rather the desegregate.  

It was the back-up when the &quot;voucher&quot; proposal failed.

I also love all the screaming about &quot;unelected activist judges&quot; in a state where all judges are elected in what are increasingly partisan contests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's fine for folks outside of Alabama to be a fans of Roy Moore but I DO live in Alabama and would appreciate it if one of ya'll would offer him a job elsewhere and let us get back to the work of raising the state out of crushing poverty.  Gov. Riley tried to restructure the horribly regressive tax structure and take the school system forward.  </p>
<p>The amendment in question was very much a Hell No! response to Brown v Board, when some cities and counties here chose to close their public schools entirely rather the desegregate.  </p>
<p>It was the back-up when the "voucher" proposal failed.</p>
<p>I also love all the screaming about "unelected activist judges" in a state where all judges are elected in what are increasingly partisan contests.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so happy that Amendment Two was upheld and that the people of Alabama did not give in to the politically correct liberal agenda. I completely support former Judge Roy Moore and I certainly hope that he not only runs for Governor in two years, but of course wins. He truly represents the people of Alabama. Hell, I represent the people of Alabama better than Riley and I don&#039;t even live there. Congratulations to Moore and the people of Alabama. I am proud of you. The people have spoken, now give it a rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so happy that Amendment Two was upheld and that the people of Alabama did not give in to the politically correct liberal agenda. I completely support former Judge Roy Moore and I certainly hope that he not only runs for Governor in two years, but of course wins. He truly represents the people of Alabama. Hell, I represent the people of Alabama better than Riley and I don't even live there. Congratulations to Moore and the people of Alabama. I am proud of you. The people have spoken, now give it a rest.</p>
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		<title>By: catfish</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/alabama_amendment_2/comment-page-1/#comment-27452</link>
		<dc:creator>catfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also live in Alabama and I&#039;ld like to second Russel&#039;s comment.  The language in the Constitution that dealt with schools was added in an attempt to remove desegregation.  Alabama voters also approved an Amendment in the late 1990s that said something to the affect that legislators, not judges could require tax increases of any kind.  This was in direct response to school equity suits that had been filed in previous years. The refusal to adequately educate our population is outrageous.  Unfortunatly this amendment would have done nothing to remedy that.

As far as the Alabama chapter of the Christian Coalition goes, it is not simply made up of low income populists.  The president lives in the wealthy suburb of Mountain Brook (nothing wrong with living in Mountain Brook, but these people aren&#039;t exactly rural salt of the earth types that people in other parts of the country assume).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also live in Alabama and I'ld like to second Russel's comment.  The language in the Constitution that dealt with schools was added in an attempt to remove desegregation.  Alabama voters also approved an Amendment in the late 1990s that said something to the affect that legislators, not judges could require tax increases of any kind.  This was in direct response to school equity suits that had been filed in previous years. The refusal to adequately educate our population is outrageous.  Unfortunatly this amendment would have done nothing to remedy that.</p>
<p>As far as the Alabama chapter of the Christian Coalition goes, it is not simply made up of low income populists.  The president lives in the wealthy suburb of Mountain Brook (nothing wrong with living in Mountain Brook, but these people aren't exactly rural salt of the earth types that people in other parts of the country assume).</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree strongly that the Amdt 2 vote indicates Alabama voter pine for segregation. Obviously half don&#039;t, and clearly a large proportion of the other half were swayed by economic populist arguments, fueled by a frustration at historically crappy, ineffectual state government. The lengthy constitution is a cliche to &quot;small government&quot; conservatives, for reasons that have little to do with race. I argued &lt;a href=&quot;http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2004/11/lefty-rednecks-it-could-happen.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; that Democrats have ceded these economic populism themes in the South going back the George Wallace American Independent Party insurrection. I don&#039;t think liberals understand what&#039;s happening to them in the South.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree strongly that the Amdt 2 vote indicates Alabama voter pine for segregation. Obviously half don't, and clearly a large proportion of the other half were swayed by economic populist arguments, fueled by a frustration at historically crappy, ineffectual state government. The lengthy constitution is a cliche to "small government" conservatives, for reasons that have little to do with race. I argued <a href="http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2004/11/lefty-rednecks-it-could-happen.html">here</a> that Democrats have ceded these economic populism themes in the South going back the George Wallace American Independent Party insurrection. I don't think liberals understand what's happening to them in the South.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Northern Alabama (transplant) and followed the Amendments closely. I for one believe that the &quot;additional&quot; language added &quot;after the fact&quot; to Amendment 2 was in fact a &quot;special agenda&quot; and intended to be used down the road for hiking taxes WITHOUT a vote from the Taxpayers. IF it wasn&#039;t there for that reason, then WHY was it added in the first place? 
If the Amendment had been &quot;left alone&quot; and had it been presented as it was originally written, to remove the segregationist language, it would have PASSED overwhelmingly! 
The crooked, sneaky b*stard that added to the amendment after-the-fact needs to be ousted from office!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Northern Alabama (transplant) and followed the Amendments closely. I for one believe that the "additional" language added "after the fact" to Amendment 2 was in fact a "special agenda" and intended to be used down the road for hiking taxes WITHOUT a vote from the Taxpayers. IF it wasn't there for that reason, then WHY was it added in the first place?<br />
If the Amendment had been "left alone" and had it been presented as it was originally written, to remove the segregationist language, it would have PASSED overwhelmingly!<br />
The crooked, sneaky b*stard that added to the amendment after-the-fact needs to be ousted from office!</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Newquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Newquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happen to live in Huntsville, Alabama, so I&#039;ve been following this amendment closely...  Er, at least ever since last week when I finally steeled myself to go see how many amendments we&#039;d have to vote on &lt;em&gt;this&lt;/em&gt; time, and what kind of crap would be in there.

Our constitution is &lt;em&gt;horrible&lt;/em&gt;.  It&#039;s not just the longest in the nation, it&#039;s the longest in the &lt;em&gt;world&lt;/em&gt;.  Of the eight amendments on the ballot this year, four (yes, fully &lt;em&gt;HALF&lt;/em&gt;) of them were specific to certain counties.  Crenshaw County wants to change how much it pays its probate judge and the whole state has to vote on it - &lt;em&gt;THAT&#039;S&lt;/em&gt; how bad our constitution is.

The specific text supposedly relating to education taxes is, in fact, &quot;code word&quot; text added in to the constitution in the 50s as a protest against desegregation.  The text specifies that the consitutition shall not be construed as guaranteeing education to anybody.  The amendment did not change this text to &lt;em&gt;guarantee&lt;/em&gt; it to anybody, it just removed it.  I guarantee you that the kind of conservative judges we elect around here would never interperet that as &lt;em&gt;requiring&lt;/em&gt; that.  And in any event, it&#039;s a non-issue since we already have mandated public schooling for everybody under the age of 16, just like the rest of the nation.

This text was added specifically in response to desegregation.  It may look non-racist on the surface, but the clear intent of the day was to say, &quot;We can&#039;t send those niggers to their own schools?  Well, we don&#039;t have to teach &#039;em at all!&quot;

The amendment should have been passed as it was.  Unfortunately, the Christian Coalition (of all people) ran a massive campaign to convince people it would raise their taxes.  It&#039;s a real disgrace to our state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happen to live in Huntsville, Alabama, so I've been following this amendment closely...  Er, at least ever since last week when I finally steeled myself to go see how many amendments we'd have to vote on <em>this</em> time, and what kind of crap would be in there.</p>
<p>Our constitution is <em>horrible</em>.  It's not just the longest in the nation, it's the longest in the <em>world</em>.  Of the eight amendments on the ballot this year, four (yes, fully <em>HALF</em>) of them were specific to certain counties.  Crenshaw County wants to change how much it pays its probate judge and the whole state has to vote on it - <em>THAT'S</em> how bad our constitution is.</p>
<p>The specific text supposedly relating to education taxes is, in fact, "code word" text added in to the constitution in the 50s as a protest against desegregation.  The text specifies that the consitutition shall not be construed as guaranteeing education to anybody.  The amendment did not change this text to <em>guarantee</em> it to anybody, it just removed it.  I guarantee you that the kind of conservative judges we elect around here would never interperet that as <em>requiring</em> that.  And in any event, it's a non-issue since we already have mandated public schooling for everybody under the age of 16, just like the rest of the nation.</p>
<p>This text was added specifically in response to desegregation.  It may look non-racist on the surface, but the clear intent of the day was to say, "We can't send those niggers to their own schools?  Well, we don't have to teach 'em at all!"</p>
<p>The amendment should have been passed as it was.  Unfortunately, the Christian Coalition (of all people) ran a massive campaign to convince people it would raise their taxes.  It's a real disgrace to our state.</p>
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		<title>By: lunacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>lunacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in Mobile and I voted for the change. But I know these amendments never go through. My hope is that if they keep coming on the ballot, and folks keep voting for them, then eventually folks will decide it is time to rewrite our outdated constitution. I have friends who vote against such amendments because they too hope for a rewrite, reasoning that it&#039;s already too complex and new amendment only adds to the complexity. Admittedly I&#039;m not as knowledgable in state politics to speculate why we don&#039;t rewrite. However, the notion that a bunch of old bigots or no-changers in Montgomery have too much power isn&#039;t outside the realm of possibility. My theory is, when the up and comers gain more power, we&#039;ll rewrite.

As to Moore becoming governor...maybe I&#039;m naive but I don&#039;t think this will happen.

L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm in Mobile and I voted for the change. But I know these amendments never go through. My hope is that if they keep coming on the ballot, and folks keep voting for them, then eventually folks will decide it is time to rewrite our outdated constitution. I have friends who vote against such amendments because they too hope for a rewrite, reasoning that it's already too complex and new amendment only adds to the complexity. Admittedly I'm not as knowledgable in state politics to speculate why we don't rewrite. However, the notion that a bunch of old bigots or no-changers in Montgomery have too much power isn't outside the realm of possibility. My theory is, when the up and comers gain more power, we'll rewrite.</p>
<p>As to Moore becoming governor...maybe I'm naive but I don't think this will happen.</p>
<p>L</p>
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		<title>By: RIGHT ON RED &#62;&#62;</title>
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		<dc:creator>RIGHT ON RED &#62;&#62;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Roy Moore and Amendment 2&lt;/strong&gt;
I currently live in Alabama, and itâs my belief that the power of Roy Moore in this state is on the rise. </description>
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I currently live in Alabama, and itâs my belief that the power of Roy Moore in this state is on the rise.</p>
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		<title>By: denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know absolutely nothing about Alabama politics.  I do know a little bit about school funding in Kansas.

A district judge in Topeka has twice ruled unconstitutional the state&#039;s school funding plans, first because funding for small school districts wasn&#039;t as favorable as for large districts, then because medium-sized districts didn&#039;t fair as well under the revised funding scheme as the small and large.  

This is all based on a state constitutional provision mandating &quot;suitable&quot; education for all Kansans, and this judge in essence said suitable requires equalized funding.  (I don&#039;t think it does.  Just because someone has a Porsche, that doesn&#039;t mean a Ford Taurus isn&#039;t suitable transportation.)

My point is:  the tax issue is not necessarily a red herring.  A state constitutional provision can be read quite differently by a judge than what the voters think they see on the ballot.  

I can&#039;t blam Alabamans for treading lightly, and I can&#039;t assume it&#039;s racist reasoning.  After all, that would be stereotyping, and that&#039;s wrong, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know absolutely nothing about Alabama politics.  I do know a little bit about school funding in Kansas.</p>
<p>A district judge in Topeka has twice ruled unconstitutional the state's school funding plans, first because funding for small school districts wasn't as favorable as for large districts, then because medium-sized districts didn't fair as well under the revised funding scheme as the small and large.  </p>
<p>This is all based on a state constitutional provision mandating "suitable" education for all Kansans, and this judge in essence said suitable requires equalized funding.  (I don't think it does.  Just because someone has a Porsche, that doesn't mean a Ford Taurus isn't suitable transportation.)</p>
<p>My point is:  the tax issue is not necessarily a red herring.  A state constitutional provision can be read quite differently by a judge than what the voters think they see on the ballot.  </p>
<p>I can't blam Alabamans for treading lightly, and I can't assume it's racist reasoning.  After all, that would be stereotyping, and that's wrong, isn't it?</p>
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		<title>By: dw</title>
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		<dc:creator>dw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My in-laws and I have talked about this quite a bit. They&#039;re old-fashioned, evangelical Southern Baptists who hate the idiotic Bama constitution and wish Riley&#039;s tax plan went through last year. What angered them the most was that the Christian Coalition ignored the BIBLE during this whole campaign. There are whole sections in the Book on God judging Israel/Judah on how they treat the poorest of the poor, and yet the CC wasn&#039;t willing to tweak the taxes on the middle class one penny to fix a tax system that makes all the cries about regressive tax plans elsewhere seem cheap.

Roy Moore will be the governor in 2006. What a shyster. Maybe someone can whisper in Charles Barkley&#039;s ear that his time is now. Roy Moore vs. Charles Barkley in the GOP primary... that would be great theater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My in-laws and I have talked about this quite a bit. They're old-fashioned, evangelical Southern Baptists who hate the idiotic Bama constitution and wish Riley's tax plan went through last year. What angered them the most was that the Christian Coalition ignored the BIBLE during this whole campaign. There are whole sections in the Book on God judging Israel/Judah on how they treat the poorest of the poor, and yet the CC wasn't willing to tweak the taxes on the middle class one penny to fix a tax system that makes all the cries about regressive tax plans elsewhere seem cheap.</p>
<p>Roy Moore will be the governor in 2006. What a shyster. Maybe someone can whisper in Charles Barkley's ear that his time is now. Roy Moore vs. Charles Barkley in the GOP primary... that would be great theater.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kip:

With such a voluminous constitution, I have to wonder why Alabama bothers with statutes.</description>
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<p>With such a voluminous constitution, I have to wonder why Alabama bothers with statutes.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 16:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoops, I didn&#039;t mean to trackback you, guess it does that on it&#039;s own. I&#039;m new at this ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoops, I didn't mean to trackback you, guess it does that on it's own. I'm new at this ;)</p>
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		<title>By: KipEsquire</title>
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		<dc:creator>KipEsquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 16:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting factoid you&#039;re omitting is that Alabama has the longest state constitution in the nation:

&quot;Alabama&#039;s constitution now has 743 amendments (including amendments dealing with bingo, mosquito control, catfish, soybeans, dead farm animals, beaver tails, and prostitution), while the national average is 116. The constitution itself is easily the longest in the nation and is 12 times longer than the typical state constitution.&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.constitutionalreform.org/whatswrong5.shtml&quot;&gt;Source&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting factoid you're omitting is that Alabama has the longest state constitution in the nation:</p>
<p>"Alabama's constitution now has 743 amendments (including amendments dealing with bingo, mosquito control, catfish, soybeans, dead farm animals, beaver tails, and prostitution), while the national average is 116. The constitution itself is easily the longest in the nation and is 12 times longer than the typical state constitution." <a href="http://www.constitutionalreform.org/whatswrong5.shtml">Source</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: INBB</title>
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		<dc:creator>INBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 16:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Alabama Amendment 2&lt;/strong&gt;
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I can't believe this!...</p>
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