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		<title>By: 3DZer0</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/alabama_sex_toy_ban_upheld/comment-page-1/#comment-113395</link>
		<dc:creator>3DZer0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What is the whole purpose of the sex toy ban? Anybody who wants one can go to a state, that does not ban sex toys, and buy it there. Or simply go online and order whatever they want.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Yes I agree going to another state would be a viable option, but according to the wording that I see in this law, wouldn&#039;t that also affect sales via the internet? If sales are not allowed in Alabama that would directly affect Internet sales as well. Considering this blows away the theory that is is based one a store front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What is the whole purpose of the sex toy ban? Anybody who wants one can go to a state, that does not ban sex toys, and buy it there. Or simply go online and order whatever they want.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes I agree going to another state would be a viable option, but according to the wording that I see in this law, wouldn't that also affect sales via the internet? If sales are not allowed in Alabama that would directly affect Internet sales as well. Considering this blows away the theory that is is based one a store front.</p>
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		<title>By: djneylon</title>
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		<dc:creator>djneylon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ban against sex toys is, basically, a local issue.  It is not any different than local dry laws that ban sale of alcohol, or restrict it.  And these laws may not apply exclusively to sex toys, particularly at the local level.  The town I live in has decided there is no more need for dollar stores in the city limits and banned the opening of new ones; likewise, Detroit, which is next door, will not allow new gas stations to be built.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ban against sex toys is, basically, a local issue.  It is not any different than local dry laws that ban sale of alcohol, or restrict it.  And these laws may not apply exclusively to sex toys, particularly at the local level.  The town I live in has decided there is no more need for dollar stores in the city limits and banned the opening of new ones; likewise, Detroit, which is next door, will not allow new gas stations to be built.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucreza Borgia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucreza Borgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 04:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would Alabama want to hurt local businesses? It&#039;s not as if they have a booming economy in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would Alabama want to hurt local businesses? It's not as if they have a booming economy in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: carpeicthus</title>
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		<dc:creator>carpeicthus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 05:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sex toy sales is what the Internet was made for. It&#039;s not like you&#039;re trying them on, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sex toy sales is what the Internet was made for. It's not like you're trying them on, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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What is the whole purpose of the sex toy ban? Anybody who wants one can go to a state, that does not ban sex toys, and buy it there. Or simply go online and order whatever they want.</description>
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<p>What is the whole purpose of the sex toy ban? Anybody who wants one can go to a state, that does not ban sex toys, and buy it there. Or simply go online and order whatever they want.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tano - no argument there.</description>
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		<title>By: Tano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh,
Thanks for your response. But it merely recounts the state of the law today, it doesnt explain why those who claim to love liberty are resistant to the incorporation. They seem stuck in what seems to me to be the old Southern tradition of having a state government free to be tyrannical over its citizens (and we know why this was so important to them), but an impotent federal government. So citizens are &quot;free&quot; relative to federal power, but acutally under the thumb of state government - a level of government that escapes from the fundamental reform of the American revolution (rights from the &#039;creator&quot; rather than from the government).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh,<br />
Thanks for your response. But it merely recounts the state of the law today, it doesnt explain why those who claim to love liberty are resistant to the incorporation. They seem stuck in what seems to me to be the old Southern tradition of having a state government free to be tyrannical over its citizens (and we know why this was so important to them), but an impotent federal government. So citizens are "free" relative to federal power, but acutally under the thumb of state government - a level of government that escapes from the fundamental reform of the American revolution (rights from the 'creator" rather than from the government).</p>
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		<title>By: Ugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am just fascinated how, in general, all the strict constructionists never seem to bother about the plain words and meaning of that “inkblot”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, that&#039;s because the 9th Amendment is applicable only to the Federal Government, as it has not been &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/FTrials/conlaw/incorp.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;incorporated&lt;/a&gt; against the states through the 14th Amendment.  Because these cases are almost invariably state cases and because the states are thought to retain the general police power, the question is flipped when it comes to seeing whether what they do is constitutional:  is there anything in the constitution or its amendments that &lt;em&gt;prohibits &lt;/em&gt;the states from doing X.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am just fascinated how, in general, all the strict constructionists never seem to bother about the plain words and meaning of that “inkblot”.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, that's because the 9th Amendment is applicable only to the Federal Government, as it has not been <a href="http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/FTrials/conlaw/incorp.htm" rel="nofollow">incorporated</a> against the states through the 14th Amendment.  Because these cases are almost invariably state cases and because the states are thought to retain the general police power, the question is flipped when it comes to seeing whether what they do is constitutional:  is there anything in the constitution or its amendments that <em>prohibits </em>the states from doing X.</p>
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		<title>By: Tano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this line - the courts have abandonded the ninth amendment.

I&#039;m not arguing that JohnG is wrong about that. I am just fascinated how, in general, all the strict constructionists never seem to bother about the plain words and meaning of that &quot;inkblot&quot;.

The Constitution does not confer rights. It grants certain powers to the Government. The Bill of Rights is just an added protection for certain basic rights - and the whole point of the ninth amendment is to drive home the point that, having a Bill of Rights, is not meant to imply that rights are limited to only those enumerated. Having rights is the default position - grounded in the notion of free people - to be trumped by government power only when there is an explicit grant of power to the government.

It is an ongoing mystery how so many conservatives speak so eloquently, at times, in defense of freedom, and yet inevitably interpret the basic principles of the Constitution in an authoritarian manner - such that we the people are not to have any rights unless they are explicitly enumerated in the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this line - the courts have abandonded the ninth amendment.</p>
<p>I'm not arguing that JohnG is wrong about that. I am just fascinated how, in general, all the strict constructionists never seem to bother about the plain words and meaning of that "inkblot".</p>
<p>The Constitution does not confer rights. It grants certain powers to the Government. The Bill of Rights is just an added protection for certain basic rights - and the whole point of the ninth amendment is to drive home the point that, having a Bill of Rights, is not meant to imply that rights are limited to only those enumerated. Having rights is the default position - grounded in the notion of free people - to be trumped by government power only when there is an explicit grant of power to the government.</p>
<p>It is an ongoing mystery how so many conservatives speak so eloquently, at times, in defense of freedom, and yet inevitably interpret the basic principles of the Constitution in an authoritarian manner - such that we the people are not to have any rights unless they are explicitly enumerated in the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;things that might go unnoticed in San Francisco or Manhattan would shock the conscience in rural Mississippi&lt;/em&gt;

Let&#039;s just say that it&#039;s true either way.

As with Ugh, I find the &quot;they&#039;re legal, you just can&#039;t buy or sell them&quot; bit to be absurd.  Try that with Bibles and see where it gets ya.

As with the &quot;public morality&quot; shtick, which is in fact a &quot;we don&#039;t have to have a reason&quot; argument, which by definition does not meet the rational basis test.  What is &quot;immoral&quot; about a married couple using a vibrator to enhance orgasm?  Can anyone explain that one?

(I keep waiting for the equal-protection argument to make an appearance, since the great majority of sex toys actually sold appear to be for women&#039;s use.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>things that might go unnoticed in San Francisco or Manhattan would shock the conscience in rural Mississippi</em></p>
<p>Let's just say that it's true either way.</p>
<p>As with Ugh, I find the "they're legal, you just can't buy or sell them" bit to be absurd.  Try that with Bibles and see where it gets ya.</p>
<p>As with the "public morality" shtick, which is in fact a "we don't have to have a reason" argument, which by definition does not meet the rational basis test.  What is "immoral" about a married couple using a vibrator to enhance orgasm?  Can anyone explain that one?</p>
<p>(I keep waiting for the equal-protection argument to make an appearance, since the great majority of sex toys actually sold appear to be for women's use.)</p>
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		<title>By: JohnG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er I was thinking of the 10th Amendment.  The 9th Amendment is the one that the courts abandoned long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er I was thinking of the 10th Amendment.  The 9th Amendment is the one that the courts abandoned long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read the 9th Amendment again and then look at who is making the law in question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the 9th Amendment again and then look at who is making the law in question.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;What constitutional rights? Is there a Dildo Clause to the Constitution?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I would argue that the Ninth Amendment qualifies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>"What constitutional rights? Is there a Dildo Clause to the Constitution?"</i></p>
<p>I would argue that the Ninth Amendment qualifies.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Don’t you have that backwards?&lt;/em&gt;

I don&#039;t think so, no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Don&rsquo;t you have that backwards?</em></p>
<p>I don't think so, no.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;What possible morality, other then insufferable busybodyness, could be upheld by preventing someone from buying a dildo?&lt;/em&gt;

They&#039;re not doing that; they&#039;re preventing local sales.  Presumably, they&#039;re concerned about window displays, the type of people who might be attracted to the area, and that sort of thing.

&lt;em&gt;I don’t see a similar right to make a living selling newspapers, condoms, or performing abortions.&lt;/em&gt;

Well, I&#039;d say the 1st Amendment confers a right to sell newspapers.  Roe essentially created on for abortions, saying that there was no compelling public interest in preventing them in the first two trimesters.  I&#039;m not sure if there&#039;s any jurisprudence on condoms other than Griswold and Eisenstadt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What possible morality, other then insufferable busybodyness, could be upheld by preventing someone from buying a dildo?</em></p>
<p>They're not doing that; they're preventing local sales.  Presumably, they're concerned about window displays, the type of people who might be attracted to the area, and that sort of thing.</p>
<p><em>I don&rsquo;t see a similar right to make a living selling newspapers, condoms, or performing abortions.</em></p>
<p>Well, I'd say the 1st Amendment confers a right to sell newspapers.  Roe essentially created on for abortions, saying that there was no compelling public interest in preventing them in the first two trimesters.  I'm not sure if there's any jurisprudence on condoms other than Griswold and Eisenstadt.</p>
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