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		<title>By: Joe R.</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/alexandria_sex_shop_revenge_for_zoning_controls/comment-page-1/#comment-986443</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And yet, all the heat and passion seems, for folks on the right, to be directed at the feds.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You also have to consider that national issues make the national media more often than local issues do (almost by definition).  This one only did because of its amusing nature.  If the new store had been a coffee shop or a jewelry shop, no one would have cared and the story would have probably never hit the news. And if it did, it wouldn&#039;t have been considered interesting enough to blog about.

So yes, I think outrage would be directed towards the local government, &lt;em&gt;if&lt;/em&gt; people knew about it.  People are just exposed more to things like the stimulus plan than they are to the fact that John Smith didn&#039;t get a building permit.  And if there &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; local outrage over John Smith&#039;s building permit, you wouldn&#039;t hear about it unless you read local news or a local blog.  The story just wouldn&#039;t hit most papers.

My guess is that local papers do have letters to the editor about red light cameras.  I wouldn&#039;t know.  I couldn&#039;t possibly read them all.  I do remember Delaware&#039;s smoking ban being a big story at the time.  Huge hubbub.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And yet, all the heat and passion seems, for folks on the right, to be directed at the feds.</p></blockquote>
<p>You also have to consider that national issues make the national media more often than local issues do (almost by definition).  This one only did because of its amusing nature.  If the new store had been a coffee shop or a jewelry shop, no one would have cared and the story would have probably never hit the news. And if it did, it wouldn't have been considered interesting enough to blog about.</p>
<p>So yes, I think outrage would be directed towards the local government, <em>if</em> people knew about it.  People are just exposed more to things like the stimulus plan than they are to the fact that John Smith didn't get a building permit.  And if there <em>was</em> local outrage over John Smith's building permit, you wouldn't hear about it unless you read local news or a local blog.  The story just wouldn't hit most papers.</p>
<p>My guess is that local papers do have letters to the editor about red light cameras.  I wouldn't know.  I couldn't possibly read them all.  I do remember Delaware's smoking ban being a big story at the time.  Huge hubbub.</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The historical commissions have some of the most incredible power to do anything they want.  We had a drive-thru beer place in our town for the longest time.  There was an ugly-ass garage door where you drove in, and you exited into an alley.

Well the city council never did like the whole concept and they spent a bunch of time and effort harassing the owner, threatening to revoke the liquor license and all sorts of stuff.  Eventually the guy sells out to a new store, whose owner promptly removes the garage door and puts up a normal storefront.  &quot;No, no, no&quot;, the historical commission says, &quot;you gotta re-install the garage door.&quot;

So now there&#039;s an ugly-ass garage door on the front of a building that sells who-knows-what, at considerable expense and still causing an eyesore for the city planners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The historical commissions have some of the most incredible power to do anything they want.  We had a drive-thru beer place in our town for the longest time.  There was an ugly-ass garage door where you drove in, and you exited into an alley.</p>
<p>Well the city council never did like the whole concept and they spent a bunch of time and effort harassing the owner, threatening to revoke the liquor license and all sorts of stuff.  Eventually the guy sells out to a new store, whose owner promptly removes the garage door and puts up a normal storefront.  "No, no, no", the historical commission says, "you gotta re-install the garage door."</p>
<p>So now there's an ugly-ass garage door on the front of a building that sells who-knows-what, at considerable expense and still causing an eyesore for the city planners.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I hope you don&#039;t have to pay a lot to have that crap removed from your driveway.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s ridiculously cheap and my wife likes the Parade and the Sunday Magazine.  We also tend to get enough coupons out of it to more than pay for it.

They try to give me the other six days for free but I won&#039;t take it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I hope you don't have to pay a lot to have that crap removed from your driveway.</p></blockquote>
<p>It's ridiculously cheap and my wife likes the Parade and the Sunday Magazine.  We also tend to get enough coupons out of it to more than pay for it.</p>
<p>They try to give me the other six days for free but I won't take it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eneils Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eneils Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Despite my being local and getting the Sunday Washington Post delivered to my driveway&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I hope you don&#039;t have to pay a lot to have that crap removed from your driveway.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s not surprising that the rules have so many unintended consequences. Everyone should expect that and be extra cautious when passing new regulations. Unfortunately we know they seldom are.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you doubt for one moment that you are, in this day and time doing anything more than renting land and property though property taxes, from your local government, give me a call. And then, at anytime they can invoke any law or ordinance to drive you from your residence or out of business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Despite my being local and getting the Sunday Washington Post delivered to my driveway</p></blockquote>
<p>I hope you don't have to pay a lot to have that crap removed from your driveway.</p>
<blockquote><p>It's not surprising that the rules have so many unintended consequences. Everyone should expect that and be extra cautious when passing new regulations. Unfortunately we know they seldom are.</p></blockquote>
<p>If you doubt for one moment that you are, in this day and time doing anything more than renting land and property though property taxes, from your local government, give me a call. And then, at anytime they can invoke any law or ordinance to drive you from your residence or out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No one can hardly get any permission at all to change or build ANYthing. But now the indians want to build a casino, and it looks like they will be allowed. What a joke!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If it&#039;s on a reservation, they don&#039;t need permission from the state.  They&#039;re a quasi-sovereign entity under the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No one can hardly get any permission at all to change or build ANYthing. But now the indians want to build a casino, and it looks like they will be allowed. What a joke!</p></blockquote>
<p>If it's on a reservation, they don't need permission from the state.  They're a quasi-sovereign entity under the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Oregon and the Columbia Gorge scenic area, 20 miles east of Portland, is very protected.  No one can hardly get any permission at all to change or build ANYthing.  But now the indians want to build a casino, and it looks like they will be allowed.  What a joke!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Oregon and the Columbia Gorge scenic area, 20 miles east of Portland, is very protected.  No one can hardly get any permission at all to change or build ANYthing.  But now the indians want to build a casino, and it looks like they will be allowed.  What a joke!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Plunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Plunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been preaching sam&#039;s point for years.  Our biggest threat to civil liberties comes from the local city council not the FBI.

In cases of planning and control my experience has taught me the problem is staffers who weave a tangle web of regulations that ensure continued employment for themselves.  That employment may be with other municipalities but it often comes in the private sector as a consultant hired to navigate those very same rules they proposed and got passed by citizen commissions and boards.

It&#039;s not surprising that the rules have so many unintended consequences.  Everyone should expect that and be extra cautious when passing new regulations.  Unfortunately we know they seldom are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've been preaching sam's point for years.  Our biggest threat to civil liberties comes from the local city council not the FBI.</p>
<p>In cases of planning and control my experience has taught me the problem is staffers who weave a tangle web of regulations that ensure continued employment for themselves.  That employment may be with other municipalities but it often comes in the private sector as a consultant hired to navigate those very same rules they proposed and got passed by citizen commissions and boards.</p>
<p>It's not surprising that the rules have so many unintended consequences.  Everyone should expect that and be extra cautious when passing new regulations.  Unfortunately we know they seldom are.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True enough, but I don&#039;t think it gainsays my fundamental point: From the time you get up until the time you go to bed, Little Brother is calling most of the shots impact your quotidian existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True enough, but I don't think it gainsays my fundamental point: From the time you get up until the time you go to bed, Little Brother is calling most of the shots impact your quotidian existence.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And yet, all the heat and passion seems, for folks on the right, to be directed at the feds. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Federalists tend not to mind local communities imposing their own values on the neighborhood.  It&#039;s a very different thing when it&#039;s nationalized.

Theoretically, at least, it&#039;s a different thing. If one doesn&#039;t like the tight strictures that Old Town puts on your business and you can&#039;t persuade your fellow citizens to change the rules, then one can shop for a saner jurisdiction a couple miles away in Fairfax County. Contrariwise, if you don&#039;t like what&#039;s happening in Washington, your only recourse is to leave the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And yet, all the heat and passion seems, for folks on the right, to be directed at the feds. </p></blockquote>
<p>Federalists tend not to mind local communities imposing their own values on the neighborhood.  It's a very different thing when it's nationalized.</p>
<p>Theoretically, at least, it's a different thing. If one doesn't like the tight strictures that Old Town puts on your business and you can't persuade your fellow citizens to change the rules, then one can shop for a saner jurisdiction a couple miles away in Fairfax County. Contrariwise, if you don't like what's happening in Washington, your only recourse is to leave the country.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a day-to-day basis, our lives are more impacted by our state and local governments than the federal government by a couple of orders of magnitude. After all, who marries us; buries us; installs red light cameras; installs public survellience cameras; zones our living spaces; sets our building codes; etc? In terms of &quot;government running our lives,&quot; the feds are milquetoasts compared to your local board of selectmen. (Of course, state and local governments are near-libertarian compared to homeowners associations--but that&#039;s for another time.) And yet, all the heat and passion seems, for folks on the right, to be directed at the feds. Here&#039;s an interesting exercise: For one day keep a journal and record all those activies of living that the feds directly control and those that your state and local government directly control. Then come back and try and tell us that the federal government is the greatest brake on individual freedom in the known universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a day-to-day basis, our lives are more impacted by our state and local governments than the federal government by a couple of orders of magnitude. After all, who marries us; buries us; installs red light cameras; installs public survellience cameras; zones our living spaces; sets our building codes; etc? In terms of "government running our lives," the feds are milquetoasts compared to your local board of selectmen. (Of course, state and local governments are near-libertarian compared to homeowners associations--but that's for another time.) And yet, all the heat and passion seems, for folks on the right, to be directed at the feds. Here's an interesting exercise: For one day keep a journal and record all those activies of living that the feds directly control and those that your state and local government directly control. Then come back and try and tell us that the federal government is the greatest brake on individual freedom in the known universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had my own run-ins with city architects and my experience was not that they were bureaucratic but that they were arbitrary and autocratic, their judgment rarely questioned.  They may have reasonable pretexts for their determinations but the actual reasons may be matters of taste or simply that they didn&#039;t like your architect.

My approach was an end-run around the city architect, directly to the political powers-that-be, which is how things get done in Chicago anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've had my own run-ins with city architects and my experience was not that they were bureaucratic but that they were arbitrary and autocratic, their judgment rarely questioned.  They may have reasonable pretexts for their determinations but the actual reasons may be matters of taste or simply that they didn't like your architect.</p>
<p>My approach was an end-run around the city architect, directly to the political powers-that-be, which is how things get done in Chicago anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some years ago, a fraternity brother purchased a historical home adjacent to the fraternity house site in Chapel Hill. He then went to the historical commission in Chapel Hill for permission to renovate the house. His ideas were not revolutionary to anybody but the members of the commission. They found &quot;problems&quot; with everything my brother proposed. Fortunately for him, there was some &quot;escape&quot; feature available to him such that the &quot;historical&quot; house was razed and the home site sold. Unless one serves on such a commission, one may never understand why such logjams seem to be so prevalent in matters like this. My suspicion is that small minds congregate and develop oversized egos. Sort of like what happens in DC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some years ago, a fraternity brother purchased a historical home adjacent to the fraternity house site in Chapel Hill. He then went to the historical commission in Chapel Hill for permission to renovate the house. His ideas were not revolutionary to anybody but the members of the commission. They found "problems" with everything my brother proposed. Fortunately for him, there was some "escape" feature available to him such that the "historical" house was razed and the home site sold. Unless one serves on such a commission, one may never understand why such logjams seem to be so prevalent in matters like this. My suspicion is that small minds congregate and develop oversized egos. Sort of like what happens in DC.</p>
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