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		<title>By: Wes Ulm</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/allawi_shooting_insurgents/comment-page-1/#comment-20698</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes Ulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 06:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post James, and I concur.  I started getting a nasty vibe about Allawi as soon as his history with the Mukhabarat and his cracking-the-whip rhetoric emerged onto the scene.  Some Allawi supporter might offer up the excuse that since Iraq is violent and bloody, that Allawi has no choice but to act the strongman to seize the reins of power and hold them.  Just one big stinking flatulent problem with this defense:  Isn&#039;t that precisely what the Bush Administration condemned Saddam for, in arguing for the &quot;regime change&quot; to get rid of him?  

Saddam was roundly vilified as being a bloodthirsty, capriciously cruel dictator who browbeated and intimidated opponents into submission via summary executions and arbitrary accumulations of power.  Some realpolitikers were saying that Saddam was merely acting as the Hobbesian political circumstances of Iraq demanded (since Iraq itself was created in 1920 by British imperial fools who wanted to keep the country divided and conquered-- didn&#039;t work).  The Bush Administration rejected this line and said that Saddam&#039;s actions were unjustifiable.  Now, when Allawi appears to be acting much like Saddam (or trying to), with the crackdowns and curfews and muffled speech and whatnot, now, he&#039;s defended as merely &quot;doing what&#039;s necessary&quot; to impose law and order on a strife-torn country.  Why this obvious double standard?  Obviously Saddam&#039;s brutality was reprehensible-- so why is it suddenly acceptable when Allawi does it?  Allawi appears more and more to be a mini-Saddam, a Saddam Lite who, like Somoza and Trujillo, will be a son-of-a-bitch tinpot despot but &quot;our son of a bitch.&quot;  

Hopefully free and transparent elections will indeed be held, but if Allawi seizes power (either directly or via a sham election), then it&#039;ll become evident that the US, UK, and other Coalition allies will have expended copious quantities of blood and treasure to merely replace one murderous dictator with another murderous dictator who, as you indicate, is more compliant with a few plutocrats&#039; objectives to place permanent military bases in Iraq and control its oil.  The temptation will be enormous in many quarters to withdraw from Iraq and treat Allawi&#039;s corrupt ascendancy as &quot;good enough.&quot;  I don&#039;t even want to imagine the cynicism that would ensue from that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post James, and I concur.  I started getting a nasty vibe about Allawi as soon as his history with the Mukhabarat and his cracking-the-whip rhetoric emerged onto the scene.  Some Allawi supporter might offer up the excuse that since Iraq is violent and bloody, that Allawi has no choice but to act the strongman to seize the reins of power and hold them.  Just one big stinking flatulent problem with this defense:  Isn't that precisely what the Bush Administration condemned Saddam for, in arguing for the "regime change" to get rid of him?  </p>
<p>Saddam was roundly vilified as being a bloodthirsty, capriciously cruel dictator who browbeated and intimidated opponents into submission via summary executions and arbitrary accumulations of power.  Some realpolitikers were saying that Saddam was merely acting as the Hobbesian political circumstances of Iraq demanded (since Iraq itself was created in 1920 by British imperial fools who wanted to keep the country divided and conquered-- didn't work).  The Bush Administration rejected this line and said that Saddam's actions were unjustifiable.  Now, when Allawi appears to be acting much like Saddam (or trying to), with the crackdowns and curfews and muffled speech and whatnot, now, he's defended as merely "doing what's necessary" to impose law and order on a strife-torn country.  Why this obvious double standard?  Obviously Saddam's brutality was reprehensible-- so why is it suddenly acceptable when Allawi does it?  Allawi appears more and more to be a mini-Saddam, a Saddam Lite who, like Somoza and Trujillo, will be a son-of-a-bitch tinpot despot but "our son of a bitch."  </p>
<p>Hopefully free and transparent elections will indeed be held, but if Allawi seizes power (either directly or via a sham election), then it'll become evident that the US, UK, and other Coalition allies will have expended copious quantities of blood and treasure to merely replace one murderous dictator with another murderous dictator who, as you indicate, is more compliant with a few plutocrats' objectives to place permanent military bases in Iraq and control its oil.  The temptation will be enormous in many quarters to withdraw from Iraq and treat Allawi's corrupt ascendancy as "good enough."  I don't even want to imagine the cynicism that would ensue from that.</p>
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		<title>By: James Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/allawi_shooting_insurgents/comment-page-1/#comment-20532</link>
		<dc:creator>James Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2004 23:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not bury our heads in the sand...we are talking about a man Time Magazine has called &quot;saddam without a mustache&quot;.  A man that was an ex-Muhkabarat agent (Saddam&#039;s ruthless secret service), and who later turned to be a CIA agent (and the CIA has a very dirty history in places like  Chile, Nicaragua, and other places).  This is also the man that DID carry a gun with him when he was a medical student, and who intimidated fellow classmates, according to another medical student in his class.  This contradicts the assertions made by others in his administration that Mr. Allawi is somehow &quot;above&quot; having a gun with him.  

Then, the guy takes power, makes all these pronouncements about crushing, annihilating, and destroying the resistance, talks about martial laws, gives himself special powers of detention and searches, re-institutes the death penalty, and we are supposed to just say, &quot;well....let&#039;s just wait and see, it might just be a popular myth&quot;.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it&#039;s probably a damned duck...and this is one duck that has done his fair share of quacking and walking like a duck in his past.  How much more before we realize that the U.S. placed him in power as a &quot;plan-b&quot; of a having a pliant strongman (ala Pinochet in Chile, Somoza in Nicaragua, Batista in Cuba, Duvalier in Haiti, Trujillo in the Dominican Republic, etc.) when they realized that their plan to institute a Western neo-colony with a facade of democratic processes (what political scientists call Polyarchy) wasn&#039;t going to happen with a raging resistance.  I mean, it&#039;s not like there hasn&#039;t been a precedent for this.  This has been the American imperial &quot;modus operandi&quot; since it began to dab in imperialist foreign policies after the Mexican and Spanish-American Wars.  Invade, conquer, place a strongman who is either a CIA man (Manuel Noriega of Panama, anyone?) or a trainee of the School of the Americas.  Why suddenly is the same scenario in Iraq (of Allawi being a U.S.-friendly ruthless dictator) not credible or plausible?

Face it people...WMD&#039;s were never there and democracy in Iraq (at least as the U.S. wanted) is a dream....time for Plan-B, a ruthless Saddam without a mustache who will make sure our access to Iraq&#039;s oil and territory for military bases in the region is uninterrupted.  

But, to each their own illusion (or delusion, as I would call it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let's not bury our heads in the sand...we are talking about a man Time Magazine has called "saddam without a mustache".  A man that was an ex-Muhkabarat agent (Saddam's ruthless secret service), and who later turned to be a CIA agent (and the CIA has a very dirty history in places like  Chile, Nicaragua, and other places).  This is also the man that DID carry a gun with him when he was a medical student, and who intimidated fellow classmates, according to another medical student in his class.  This contradicts the assertions made by others in his administration that Mr. Allawi is somehow "above" having a gun with him.  </p>
<p>Then, the guy takes power, makes all these pronouncements about crushing, annihilating, and destroying the resistance, talks about martial laws, gives himself special powers of detention and searches, re-institutes the death penalty, and we are supposed to just say, "well....let's just wait and see, it might just be a popular myth".</p>
<p>If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a damned duck...and this is one duck that has done his fair share of quacking and walking like a duck in his past.  How much more before we realize that the U.S. placed him in power as a "plan-b" of a having a pliant strongman (ala Pinochet in Chile, Somoza in Nicaragua, Batista in Cuba, Duvalier in Haiti, Trujillo in the Dominican Republic, etc.) when they realized that their plan to institute a Western neo-colony with a facade of democratic processes (what political scientists call Polyarchy) wasn't going to happen with a raging resistance.  I mean, it's not like there hasn't been a precedent for this.  This has been the American imperial "modus operandi" since it began to dab in imperialist foreign policies after the Mexican and Spanish-American Wars.  Invade, conquer, place a strongman who is either a CIA man (Manuel Noriega of Panama, anyone?) or a trainee of the School of the Americas.  Why suddenly is the same scenario in Iraq (of Allawi being a U.S.-friendly ruthless dictator) not credible or plausible?</p>
<p>Face it people...WMD's were never there and democracy in Iraq (at least as the U.S. wanted) is a dream....time for Plan-B, a ruthless Saddam without a mustache who will make sure our access to Iraq's oil and territory for military bases in the region is uninterrupted.  </p>
<p>But, to each their own illusion (or delusion, as I would call it).</p>
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		<title>By: Dean's World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean's World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A New Controversy Over Iraq&#039;s New Prime Minister&lt;/strong&gt;
The rounds of outrage, stories and follow up stories have started over this one:

Iraq&#039;s interim Prime Minister, Iyad Allawi, has been accus...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A New Controversy Over Iraq's New Prime Minister</strong><br />
The rounds of outrage, stories and follow up stories have started over this one:</p>
<p>Iraq's interim Prime Minister, Iyad Allawi, has been accus...</p>
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		<title>By: capt joe</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/allawi_shooting_insurgents/comment-page-1/#comment-20464</link>
		<dc:creator>capt joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The iraqi bloggers have been reporting rumors of Allawi cutting off hands, Allawi doing a variety of things.  While distasteful to most of us, the iraqi populace trading in these other rumors remain approving ofthe actions detailed.  It is hard to know whether this is true or part of a popular mythos on their leader.  I think we need to wait and see.  Especially, the anti-war bloggers need to wait and see.  Especially after having to wipe all that Wilson off their shoes.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The iraqi bloggers have been reporting rumors of Allawi cutting off hands, Allawi doing a variety of things.  While distasteful to most of us, the iraqi populace trading in these other rumors remain approving ofthe actions detailed.  It is hard to know whether this is true or part of a popular mythos on their leader.  I think we need to wait and see.  Especially, the anti-war bloggers need to wait and see.  Especially after having to wipe all that Wilson off their shoes.  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Mister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, but the one man is a pretty credible source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, but the one man is a pretty credible source.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/allawi_shooting_insurgents/comment-page-1/#comment-20460</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They didn&#039;t have it at 12:14, when I posted.  And all they have is a report that the Aussies reported it.  It&#039;s all one man&#039;s reporting that&#039;s getting echo chambered so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They didn't have it at 12:14, when I posted.  And all they have is a report that the Aussies reported it.  It's all one man's reporting that's getting echo chambered so far.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gamut</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Gamut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Do We Allawi This? (Bad Pun)&lt;/strong&gt;
That&#039;s a pretty ignorant thing to say about Arab culture. Also, it mises the boat. The point is not how this will make Allawi appear to his supporters. The point is how this makes the US look for having backed this guy. We picked Hussein because he w...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Do We Allawi This? (Bad Pun)</strong><br />
That's a pretty ignorant thing to say about Arab culture. Also, it mises the boat. The point is not how this will make Allawi appear to his supporters. The point is how this makes the US look for having backed this guy. We picked Hussein because he w...</p>
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		<title>By: Mister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I find that Eschaton has found several reports in Australian sources&lt;/blockquote&gt;Did you miss the fact that the Washington Times has the story as well? The point is not how this will make Allawi appear to his supporters. The point is how this makes the US look for having backed this guy. We picked Hussein because he was a strongman type too, remember?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I find that Eschaton has found several reports in Australian sources</p></blockquote>
<p>Did you miss the fact that the Washington Times has the story as well? The point is not how this will make Allawi appear to his supporters. The point is how this makes the US look for having backed this guy. We picked Hussein because he was a strongman type too, remember?</p>
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		<title>By: PoliBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoliBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Allawi Executed Prisoners?&lt;/strong&gt;
The Rooftop Report notes several stories from the Australian press that allege that Iraqi PM Iyad Allawi executed up to 6 suspected terrorists with his own hands not long before he took power. This would qualify as a developing story,...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Allawi Executed Prisoners?</strong><br />
The Rooftop Report notes several stories from the Australian press that allege that Iraqi PM Iyad Allawi executed up to 6 suspected terrorists with his own hands not long before he took power. This would qualify as a developing story,...</p>
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