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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dude, I would draw you a picture, but I cant seem to find the crayons.&quot;
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Gee Tano, To think I had credited you earlier with mastery of the crayon medium![lol]</description>
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<p>Gee Tano, To think I had credited you earlier with mastery of the crayon medium![lol]</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Waldman finds it “deeply insulting” and Drum believes Southerners are downright “intolerant”

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Why should a southerner give a d**n, if some are &quot;deeply insulted&quot;? It appears above to be the avocation of many to &quot;deeply insult&quot; their betters from the South!
 Slandering the South has become a tradition among those who suffer from true inferiority and are desperate to compensate!</description>
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<p>Why should a southerner give a d**n, if some are "deeply insulted"? It appears above to be the avocation of many to "deeply insult" their betters from the South!<br />
 Slandering the South has become a tradition among those who suffer from true inferiority and are desperate to compensate!</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;**In fairness to Drum, Ford probably shouldn’t count since his thesis is about presidents who are elected. So, if we modify his statement to “Five of our last seven elected presidents,” we scratch Ford (who incidentally moved to California when he left the White House) and add in Texan Lyndon Johnson.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Given Drum and his left wing politicking, one wonders if GWB isn&#039;t on that list of exclusions... the wacko left, you&#039;ll recall, is to this day salivating over the idea that he wasn&#039;t elected, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>**In fairness to Drum, Ford probably shouldn&rsquo;t count since his thesis is about presidents who are elected. So, if we modify his statement to “Five of our last seven elected presidents,” we scratch Ford (who incidentally moved to California when he left the White House) and add in Texan Lyndon Johnson.</p></blockquote>
<p>Given Drum and his left wing politicking, one wonders if GWB isn't on that list of exclusions... the wacko left, you'll recall, is to this day salivating over the idea that he wasn't elected, either.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have spent considerable time in the south for business purposes. 

I can say without a doubt that the southern people are, on personal basis, as decent a people as you will find anywhere in America. From New York to Los Angeles you could not find more amiable populations that you can find in almost any southern city.

The people are nice but that is not the problem with the south. The problem is the southern culture. Southern culture is myopic, vituperative, dishonest, cunning, shallow and materialistic to an extreme. 

A business deal with a Northerner or Westerner that can be sealed with a handshake after being reviewed by the lawyers and accountants is impossible with a Southerner. They are simply not as trustworthy. They are constantly looking for loopholes and advantages in any business deal in order to gain at your expense. 

And they do this with a warm smile on their faces and a sincere invitation to a family bar-b-que next time you are in town. 

Places where southern culture is declining, like in the research triangle or the financial center of Charlotte, are places where northerners have moved in and become culturally dominant. These are the places where honest businesses deals get done and commerce can thrive. 

Southern culture is what is keeping the south down. It is the reason we still have to support it with tax dollars from the more decent parts of America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have spent considerable time in the south for business purposes. </p>
<p>I can say without a doubt that the southern people are, on personal basis, as decent a people as you will find anywhere in America. From New York to Los Angeles you could not find more amiable populations that you can find in almost any southern city.</p>
<p>The people are nice but that is not the problem with the south. The problem is the southern culture. Southern culture is myopic, vituperative, dishonest, cunning, shallow and materialistic to an extreme. </p>
<p>A business deal with a Northerner or Westerner that can be sealed with a handshake after being reviewed by the lawyers and accountants is impossible with a Southerner. They are simply not as trustworthy. They are constantly looking for loopholes and advantages in any business deal in order to gain at your expense. </p>
<p>And they do this with a warm smile on their faces and a sincere invitation to a family bar-b-que next time you are in town. </p>
<p>Places where southern culture is declining, like in the research triangle or the financial center of Charlotte, are places where northerners have moved in and become culturally dominant. These are the places where honest businesses deals get done and commerce can thrive. </p>
<p>Southern culture is what is keeping the south down. It is the reason we still have to support it with tax dollars from the more decent parts of America.</p>
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		<title>By: TJIT</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJIT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JKB,

I have to point out M1EK has a pretty valid point in his comment.

Southern politicians blather on about fiscal conservatism, individual responsibility, etc.  Then they proceed to get their snout in the trough to an astounding degree and shovel massive amounts of pork back to the southern states.  

The ag subsidy programs were abused so much in the south that the phrase &quot;mississippi christmas tree&quot;  is used to describe one prominent misuse of the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JKB,</p>
<p>I have to point out M1EK has a pretty valid point in his comment.</p>
<p>Southern politicians blather on about fiscal conservatism, individual responsibility, etc.  Then they proceed to get their snout in the trough to an astounding degree and shovel massive amounts of pork back to the southern states.  </p>
<p>The ag subsidy programs were abused so much in the south that the phrase "mississippi christmas tree"  is used to describe one prominent misuse of the system.</p>
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		<title>By: TJIT</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJIT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JKB,

You are right about these programs being put in place and largely supported by the progressives / liberals.  

Which is why I find it somewhat entertaining when liberals / progresssives complain when lots of people sign up for the programs the liberals / progressives started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JKB,</p>
<p>You are right about these programs being put in place and largely supported by the progressives / liberals.  </p>
<p>Which is why I find it somewhat entertaining when liberals / progresssives complain when lots of people sign up for the programs the liberals / progressives started.</p>
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		<title>By: spacemonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>spacemonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Northerners/Urbaners just need more gravy.</description>
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		<title>By: Major Scarlet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Major Scarlet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you want to know why southerners still don´t like yanks.. just read the comments in kevin drum´s blog.  the yanks trot out every tired insult of southerners you can imagine.. dumb, rednecks, hillbillys.. etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you want to know why southerners still don´t like yanks.. just read the comments in kevin drum´s blog.  the yanks trot out every tired insult of southerners you can imagine.. dumb, rednecks, hillbillys.. etc.</p>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 04:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TJIT,  

&quot;Terminate the programs that transfer money from the taxpayers in the North East to the tax eaters in the South.&quot;

You and M1EK should get right on this.  The &quot;Progressives&quot; of the &#039;30s started this to buy influence.  It should be apparent by now that just because the Yankees buy us dinner doesn&#039;t mean they get to screw with us.  Of course, if you aren&#039;t buying we don&#039;t have to smile and listen to you incessant harping anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TJIT,  </p>
<p>"Terminate the programs that transfer money from the taxpayers in the North East to the tax eaters in the South."</p>
<p>You and M1EK should get right on this.  The "Progressives" of the '30s started this to buy influence.  It should be apparent by now that just because the Yankees buy us dinner doesn't mean they get to screw with us.  Of course, if you aren't buying we don't have to smile and listen to you incessant harping anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 03:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those concerned about this, you should be afraid, very afraid.  While the South may be where a politician can show pride and speak to America&#039;s greatness and still get elected, it is all the other people in &quot;fly over&quot; country or working class suburbs of the &quot;big cities&quot; that elect them President.  

The uncouth, unabashed pride in Americanism is what defines these people not their region of the country.  Perhaps now that the MSM hegemony is waning, a politician who speaks directly to the Jacksonian in Brooklyn or rural Michigan will make some headway in state politics.  It isn&#039;t Southerners who keep getting elected, it is candidates who believe in and have hope for America who get elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those concerned about this, you should be afraid, very afraid.  While the South may be where a politician can show pride and speak to America's greatness and still get elected, it is all the other people in "fly over" country or working class suburbs of the "big cities" that elect them President.  </p>
<p>The uncouth, unabashed pride in Americanism is what defines these people not their region of the country.  Perhaps now that the MSM hegemony is waning, a politician who speaks directly to the Jacksonian in Brooklyn or rural Michigan will make some headway in state politics.  It isn't Southerners who keep getting elected, it is candidates who believe in and have hope for America who get elected.</p>
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		<title>By: Stormy Dragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stormy Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If southerners love their country so much, how come so many of them flock around the traitors&#039; banner that is the confederate battle flag?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If southerners love their country so much, how come so many of them flock around the traitors' banner that is the confederate battle flag?</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The distinctiveness of the South comes from our pioneering roots.&lt;/em&gt;

Because when the Southerners got here, they found indigenous suburban Americans at strip malls in the Northeast, Midwest, and West?

ALL of the country was settled by &quot;pioneers&quot; of one type or other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The distinctiveness of the South comes from our pioneering roots.</em></p>
<p>Because when the Southerners got here, they found indigenous suburban Americans at strip malls in the Northeast, Midwest, and West?</p>
<p>ALL of the country was settled by "pioneers" of one type or other.</p>
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		<title>By: tammy swofford</title>
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		<dc:creator>tammy swofford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The distinctiveness of the South comes from our pioneering roots. We &quot;pull ourselves up by the boot straps&quot; in Texas. A Native Texan will rarely ask for a hand-out, but we always give a helping hand to our neighbors.

Don&#039;t mess with Texas women either.  While in the southern states it is an understood courtesy that the woman must extend her hand first for a handshake, it is also best understood that the same woman with the soft hand might be able to line up a shot and knock a cigarette butt off the fence down by the mailbox.

I am a Texas lady and make no apologies!

Tammy Swofford</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The distinctiveness of the South comes from our pioneering roots. We "pull ourselves up by the boot straps" in Texas. A Native Texan will rarely ask for a hand-out, but we always give a helping hand to our neighbors.</p>
<p>Don't mess with Texas women either.  While in the southern states it is an understood courtesy that the woman must extend her hand first for a handshake, it is also best understood that the same woman with the soft hand might be able to line up a shot and knock a cigarette butt off the fence down by the mailbox.</p>
<p>I am a Texas lady and make no apologies!</p>
<p>Tammy Swofford</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick T McGuire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick T McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born in Nebraska, grew up in Las Vegas, spent 14 months in New York before moving to the Middle East for 25 years. I have travelled the world, I have been on every continent except Australia and Antarctica, my favorite place in the world is the beaches of France (both in Normandy and along the Riviera), and I currently live in the South so I consider myself able to speak on this subject with some authority.

Being a Southerner has nothing to do with how we talk, or the type of hat we wear (I alternate between my Stetson and a Panama hat), or geography for that matter. Being from the South is a cultural thing that no one outside the South could understand.

It&#039;s about showing respect to others, not being afraid to help others (even total strangers), and not caring much what others think of us. It&#039;s about doing what is right, especially when it&#039;s not the easiest thing to do. Its about thanking God for the few blessing He has bestowed upon us. It&#039;s about living a simple life and wanting nothing more. It&#039;s about honor (a man&#039;s word is his bond) and it&#039;s about standing your ground in any confrontation, no matter the odds against you.

Some claim it&#039;s about God, guts and guns. Perhaps, although I prefer to think of it as Mom, apple pie, and the American flag. Regardless of how you care to put it, I have never been prouder to be an American before moving here.

And y&#039;all can take that to the bank!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born in Nebraska, grew up in Las Vegas, spent 14 months in New York before moving to the Middle East for 25 years. I have travelled the world, I have been on every continent except Australia and Antarctica, my favorite place in the world is the beaches of France (both in Normandy and along the Riviera), and I currently live in the South so I consider myself able to speak on this subject with some authority.</p>
<p>Being a Southerner has nothing to do with how we talk, or the type of hat we wear (I alternate between my Stetson and a Panama hat), or geography for that matter. Being from the South is a cultural thing that no one outside the South could understand.</p>
<p>It's about showing respect to others, not being afraid to help others (even total strangers), and not caring much what others think of us. It's about doing what is right, especially when it's not the easiest thing to do. Its about thanking God for the few blessing He has bestowed upon us. It's about living a simple life and wanting nothing more. It's about honor (a man's word is his bond) and it's about standing your ground in any confrontation, no matter the odds against you.</p>
<p>Some claim it's about God, guts and guns. Perhaps, although I prefer to think of it as Mom, apple pie, and the American flag. Regardless of how you care to put it, I have never been prouder to be an American before moving here.</p>
<p>And y'all can take that to the bank!</p>
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		<title>By: The Impolitic: American By Birth, Southern Because My Mom Was Stupid Enough To Marry My Father</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Impolitic: American By Birth, Southern Because My Mom Was Stupid Enough To Marry My Father</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] American By Birth, Southern Because My Mom Was Stupid Enough To Marry My Father    James Joyner, Outside The Beltway, has a post up &quot;American By Birth, Southern By The Grace Of God&quot;, that goes on to extol the virtues southerners and the southern way of life.Despite the fact that I’ve never skinned a buck or run a trout line (nor chewed Beechnut, let alone had any desire to spit it in some dude’s eyes) there’s an undeniable appeal to the pride and raw emotion of the sentiments. And while it’s undeniably exclusionary — one can’t have an Us without a Them, after all– it’s decidedly not geographical but cultural.Kevin Drum hit on the theme that southerners have a victim complex and will only vote for other southerners.I can&#039;t begin to tell you how tired I am of the South&#039;s victim complex. Five of our last seven presidents have been from the South and the other two have been from the Southwest — and the reason, as near as I can tell, is that most Southerners just flatly refuse to vote for anyone who comes from north of the Mason-Dixon Line. And yet, somehow, it&#039;s the rest of us who are supposedly intolerant of Southern culture. Feh.Joyner goes on further that it&#039;s about culture and a sharing of common values.It’s not that Southerners will only vote for a guy who sounds like them. Reagan, Bush 41, and Nixon didn’t. It’s about values. As the bumper sticker puts it, God, Guts, and Guns. Northerners who can talk to people in those terms have a good shot at getting Southern and rural votes.Well, speaking as a southerner who has caught and cleaned fish and killed and skinned a buck it doesn&#039;t endow you with any special American-ness. Southerners have no more sense of values than anyone else. We have no more values than anyone else. Southerners still think that car racing is a sport, and that the civil war was fought over states rights. Those two things should tell you something. They can be just as rude, uncouth and stupid as anyone else. To say that a group of people or for a group of people to claim that they are more special because of where they live is to believe the lies told by the media and to accept the republican&#039;s southern strategy. It&#039;s all bullshit.Kevin Drum got it right, kind of. So did James Joyner, kind of. Southerners think they&#039;re special because people keep telling them they are. They sure didn&#039;t do anything to deserve it.As to the title, my mom met my dad at a naval hospital in Connecticut where she was stationed as a nurse during WWII. I&#039;m southern born, but only half southern bred.Jim MartinLabels: culture, politics [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] American By Birth, Southern Because My Mom Was Stupid Enough To Marry My Father    James Joyner, Outside The Beltway, has a post up "American By Birth, Southern By The Grace Of God", that goes on to extol the virtues southerners and the southern way of life.Despite the fact that I&rsquo;ve never skinned a buck or run a trout line (nor chewed Beechnut, let alone had any desire to spit it in some dude&rsquo;s eyes) there&rsquo;s an undeniable appeal to the pride and raw emotion of the sentiments. And while it&rsquo;s undeniably exclusionary — one can&rsquo;t have an Us without a Them, after all– it&rsquo;s decidedly not geographical but cultural.Kevin Drum hit on the theme that southerners have a victim complex and will only vote for other southerners.I can't begin to tell you how tired I am of the South's victim complex. Five of our last seven presidents have been from the South and the other two have been from the Southwest — and the reason, as near as I can tell, is that most Southerners just flatly refuse to vote for anyone who comes from north of the Mason-Dixon Line. And yet, somehow, it's the rest of us who are supposedly intolerant of Southern culture. Feh.Joyner goes on further that it's about culture and a sharing of common values.It&rsquo;s not that Southerners will only vote for a guy who sounds like them. Reagan, Bush 41, and Nixon didn&rsquo;t. It&rsquo;s about values. As the bumper sticker puts it, God, Guts, and Guns. Northerners who can talk to people in those terms have a good shot at getting Southern and rural votes.Well, speaking as a southerner who has caught and cleaned fish and killed and skinned a buck it doesn't endow you with any special American-ness. Southerners have no more sense of values than anyone else. We have no more values than anyone else. Southerners still think that car racing is a sport, and that the civil war was fought over states rights. Those two things should tell you something. They can be just as rude, uncouth and stupid as anyone else. To say that a group of people or for a group of people to claim that they are more special because of where they live is to believe the lies told by the media and to accept the republican's southern strategy. It's all bullshit.Kevin Drum got it right, kind of. So did James Joyner, kind of. Southerners think they're special because people keep telling them they are. They sure didn't do anything to deserve it.As to the title, my mom met my dad at a naval hospital in Connecticut where she was stationed as a nurse during WWII. I'm southern born, but only half southern bred.Jim MartinLabels: culture, politics [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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