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		<title>By: Blue Crab Boulevard &#187; It Continues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Crab Boulevard &#187; It Continues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 14:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Joyner pointed to a Gallup poll yesterday ranks public trust in various sources about the Iraq war. Reid is near the bottom of that list. Watch his numbers fall as the press turns on him. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/americans_rank_iraq_information_sources/comment-page-1/#comment-122890</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 19:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am from The great blue hell state of Wisconsin and its my hobby to crush the pun-ky intellects of liberals&lt;/blockquote&gt;Maybe it&#039;s time for you to find a new hobby, you know, something you&#039;re good at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am from The great blue hell state of Wisconsin and its my hobby to crush the pun-ky intellects of liberals</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe it's time for you to find a new hobby, you know, something you're good at.</p>
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		<title>By: carpeicthus</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/americans_rank_iraq_information_sources/comment-page-1/#comment-122879</link>
		<dc:creator>carpeicthus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 17:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently sentence breaks are godless commies, and not to be trusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently sentence breaks are godless commies, and not to be trusted.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A. Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/americans_rank_iraq_information_sources/comment-page-1/#comment-122878</link>
		<dc:creator>G.A. Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 17:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micheal, that&#039;s so funny, man I just hate how you liberals always outsmart and get the best of me, maybe I should just give up and go away, I don&#039;t think I can live in the monstrously towering comic shadow that you cast. NOT!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micheal, that's so funny, man I just hate how you liberals always outsmart and get the best of me, maybe I should just give up and go away, I don't think I can live in the monstrously towering comic shadow that you cast. NOT!!!</p>
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		<title>By: G.A. Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/americans_rank_iraq_information_sources/comment-page-1/#comment-122877</link>
		<dc:creator>G.A. Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 17:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Micheal, I am from The great blue hell state of Wisconsin and its my hobby to crush the pun-ky intellects of liberals plus it&#039;s the right thing to do, and is not my fault that you can&#039;t understand the truth and then confront my reasoning with another lie and reshaping of the same treason I was just talking about you taking part in, and please take my post as if I where talking right to you, not like some paper for a class in communism 101.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Micheal, I am from The great blue hell state of Wisconsin and its my hobby to crush the pun-ky intellects of liberals plus it's the right thing to do, and is not my fault that you can't understand the truth and then confront my reasoning with another lie and reshaping of the same treason I was just talking about you taking part in, and please take my post as if I where talking right to you, not like some paper for a class in communism 101.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/americans_rank_iraq_information_sources/comment-page-1/#comment-122876</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 17:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;12Th grade liberal education here&lt;/blockquote&gt;I had 12 years of public education  too, you get out what you put it.  Don&#039;t blame your &quot;liberal education&quot; for your lack of intelligence.  To quote a popular comedian, &quot;You can&#039;t fix stupid&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>12Th grade liberal education here</p></blockquote>
<p>I had 12 years of public education  too, you get out what you put it.  Don't blame your "liberal education" for your lack of intelligence.  To quote a popular comedian, "You can't fix stupid".</p>
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		<title>By: G.A. Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/americans_rank_iraq_information_sources/comment-page-1/#comment-122873</link>
		<dc:creator>G.A. Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 17:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha, Tlaloc, X-cracked almost an X-liberal with a 12Th grade liberal education here, so please cut me a little break, and yes reading the stuff you guys write freaks me out, and I thank God and James for the spellchecker everyday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha, Tlaloc, X-cracked almost an X-liberal with a 12Th grade liberal education here, so please cut me a little break, and yes reading the stuff you guys write freaks me out, and I thank God and James for the spellchecker everyday.</p>
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		<title>By: Tano</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/americans_rank_iraq_information_sources/comment-page-1/#comment-122872</link>
		<dc:creator>Tano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 17:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over 80% of Republicans trust Dick Cheney to give accurate information on conditions in Iraq?

I&#039;m almost speechless.

How can we allow people like that to continue to have the right to vote? Y&#039;know,,,the Constituion is not supposed to be a suicide pact, and all that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over 80% of Republicans trust Dick Cheney to give accurate information on conditions in Iraq?</p>
<p>I'm almost speechless.</p>
<p>How can we allow people like that to continue to have the right to vote? Y'know,,,the Constituion is not supposed to be a suicide pact, and all that...</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 17:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;it was you liberals who did went and done your best&lt;/blockquote&gt;You&#039;re wouldn&#039;t happen to be from the South, are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>it was you liberals who did went and done your best</p></blockquote>
<p>You're wouldn't happen to be from the South, are you?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/americans_rank_iraq_information_sources/comment-page-1/#comment-122869</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 17:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;when you write a single sentence that goes on in excess of 12 lines of text, you just might possibly be freaking out.&lt;/blockquote&gt;At least I wasn&#039;t the only one immediately struck by the lack of a sentence break.  

I must give him credit though, I have never before seen quite to much ignorance and arrogance crammed into a single run-on sentence.  Props for tenacity, if not efficiency.

The only thing I would add is that Congress, as is their duty, passed a measure giving continued financial support to the war effort.  Last I heard, the President was going the one who was planning on blocking it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>when you write a single sentence that goes on in excess of 12 lines of text, you just might possibly be freaking out.</p></blockquote>
<p>At least I wasn't the only one immediately struck by the lack of a sentence break.  </p>
<p>I must give him credit though, I have never before seen quite to much ignorance and arrogance crammed into a single run-on sentence.  Props for tenacity, if not efficiency.</p>
<p>The only thing I would add is that Congress, as is their duty, passed a measure giving continued financial support to the war effort.  Last I heard, the President was going the one who was planning on blocking it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 17:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G. A. Phillips,

when you write a single sentence that goes on in excess of 12 lines of text, you just might possibly be freaking out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G. A. Phillips,</p>
<p>when you write a single sentence that goes on in excess of 12 lines of text, you just might possibly be freaking out.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/americans_rank_iraq_information_sources/comment-page-1/#comment-122866</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 17:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;After Petraeus&#039;s first tour in Iraq he wrote a counter insurgency manual in which he stated that between 250,000 and 350,000 troops would be needed to defeat the insurgents. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually it&#039;s worse than that.  Given Iraq&#039;s population we&#039;d need 530,000 troops for the ratio he recommends as a &lt;i&gt;minimum&lt;/i&gt;.  The counterinsurgency manual has a number of other tidbits that all run counter to what we are doing or could do in Iraq.  I have a partial list here:

http://www.swordscrossed.org/node/1157</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>After Petraeus's first tour in Iraq he wrote a counter insurgency manual in which he stated that between 250,000 and 350,000 troops would be needed to defeat the insurgents. </p></blockquote>
<p>Actually it's worse than that.  Given Iraq's population we'd need 530,000 troops for the ratio he recommends as a <i>minimum</i>.  The counterinsurgency manual has a number of other tidbits that all run counter to what we are doing or could do in Iraq.  I have a partial list here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.swordscrossed.org/node/1157" rel="nofollow">http://www.swordscrossed.org/node/1157</a></p>
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		<title>By: G.A. Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/americans_rank_iraq_information_sources/comment-page-1/#comment-122864</link>
		<dc:creator>G.A. Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 16:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, lies, corruption, arrogance, incompetence, are all the that makes up a liberal, oh I almost forgot historical stupidity, forgive me, it was you liberals who did went and done your best to undermine this war effort with all of your stated methods listed above from it&#039;s outset, and now being totally invested and believing in your propaganda you have become perfectly tempered receptacles for your own lies, it was your Donkylord leaders who launched a political war of lies, with the aid of their soulless, mindless, and heartless legions of burro spawn and all from the hatred of of one President and why because he is a Cristian, you have betrayed our president, our troops, and our country, you have propped up and aided as to date the most ruthlessly evil enemy that we as nation have ever faced. I know that you would have attack Bush and everything good in this country because it is your nature and the way you go about gaining power, I could forgive you for that but we are at war, and when you and your leaders support, aid, and side with the goals of our enemy, you are going and and have gone to far. SUPPORT THE WAR EFFORT!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, lies, corruption, arrogance, incompetence, are all the that makes up a liberal, oh I almost forgot historical stupidity, forgive me, it was you liberals who did went and done your best to undermine this war effort with all of your stated methods listed above from it's outset, and now being totally invested and believing in your propaganda you have become perfectly tempered receptacles for your own lies, it was your Donkylord leaders who launched a political war of lies, with the aid of their soulless, mindless, and heartless legions of burro spawn and all from the hatred of of one President and why because he is a Cristian, you have betrayed our president, our troops, and our country, you have propped up and aided as to date the most ruthlessly evil enemy that we as nation have ever faced. I know that you would have attack Bush and everything good in this country because it is your nature and the way you go about gaining power, I could forgive you for that but we are at war, and when you and your leaders support, aid, and side with the goals of our enemy, you are going and and have gone to far. SUPPORT THE WAR EFFORT!!!</p>
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		<title>By: cian</title>
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		<dc:creator>cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read &#039;Fiasco&#039; by Tom Ricks, its hard not to admire Petraeus and see him as a man who can be trusted, but he has now joined the Bush administration where truth telling is not a top priority. 

After Petraeus&#039;s first tour in Iraq he wrote a counter insurgency manual in which he stated that between 250,000 and 350,000 troops would be needed to defeat the insurgents. 

The troops he has for the surge can do little more than keep the number of civilian casualties down, but only at the cost of American lives, and will have no effect on the overall drift of the war. 

I&#039;m certain if he could he would say this, but of course he can&#039;t because his job is not to level with the American people, it&#039;s to get this president to the end of his term without having to declare a withdrawal, no matter how many lives are lost in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read 'Fiasco' by Tom Ricks, its hard not to admire Petraeus and see him as a man who can be trusted, but he has now joined the Bush administration where truth telling is not a top priority. </p>
<p>After Petraeus's first tour in Iraq he wrote a counter insurgency manual in which he stated that between 250,000 and 350,000 troops would be needed to defeat the insurgents. </p>
<p>The troops he has for the surge can do little more than keep the number of civilian casualties down, but only at the cost of American lives, and will have no effect on the overall drift of the war. </p>
<p>I'm certain if he could he would say this, but of course he can't because his job is not to level with the American people, it's to get this president to the end of his term without having to declare a withdrawal, no matter how many lives are lost in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 15:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Except look who is not on the list&lt;/blockquote&gt;Another interesting point, all of those ranked highly by Republicans support the war, yes, but they are also viewed as loyal Republicans themselves.  Conversely, all of those considered to be Democrats are also mostly anti-war.  So just because pro-war Republicans rank other pro-war Republicans highly, doesn&#039;t necessarily mean they rank them highly based on their military record, maybe you just think the people who agree with you are more reliable.  

I wonder what the numbers would look like if the list contained anti-war Republicans and pro-war Democrats (not Democrat-leaning independents).  Or Democrats with past military experience versus Republicans without.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Except look who is not on the list</p></blockquote>
<p>Another interesting point, all of those ranked highly by Republicans support the war, yes, but they are also viewed as loyal Republicans themselves.  Conversely, all of those considered to be Democrats are also mostly anti-war.  So just because pro-war Republicans rank other pro-war Republicans highly, doesn't necessarily mean they rank them highly based on their military record, maybe you just think the people who agree with you are more reliable.  </p>
<p>I wonder what the numbers would look like if the list contained anti-war Republicans and pro-war Democrats (not Democrat-leaning independents).  Or Democrats with past military experience versus Republicans without.</p>
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