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		<title>By: Post American</title>
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		<dc:creator>Post American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1,890 days since WMD said he&#039;d catch Weekend at Osama&#039;s &#039;Dead or Alive!&#039; Have you forgotten?

To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away
Have you forgotten, when those towers fell
We had neighbors still inside goin through a livin hell And you say we shouldn&#039;t worry bout Bin Laden Have you forgotten?

&quot;I don&#039;t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don&#039;t care. It&#039;s not that important. It&#039;s not our priority.&quot;
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1,890 days since WMD said he'd catch Weekend at Osama's 'Dead or Alive!' Have you forgotten?</p>
<p>To see your homeland under fire<br />
And her people blown away<br />
Have you forgotten, when those towers fell<br />
We had neighbors still inside goin through a livin hell And you say we shouldn't worry bout Bin Laden Have you forgotten?</p>
<p>"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."<br />
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02</p>
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		<title>By: stormkrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>stormkrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thought here. 
Let&#039;s see the War on Drugs (as we currently know it) started in 1988; since then the actual flow and use of drugs has expanded exponentially. It has done nothing more to disrupt drug usage or flow than build a few more prisons and throw loved ones, sons, daughters, brothers etc into said prisons and push them into a more desperate spiral of addiction. Of course we shouldn&#039;t view drug addiction as a medical problem but rather a criminal problem although every PhD on the planet would disagree. Just a little fact people cannot deny.
The War on Terror IS NOT the War in Iraq. PERIOD. The modest estimates has concluded that the &quot;War in Iraq&quot; has done nothing more than generate sympathy and aided in terrorist recruiting. So that didn&#039;t work out so well did it. There is absolutely nothing anyone anywhere can say that would make War more attractive. Anything that leads to the death or imprisonment of any civilian at any capacity should be viewed as the last hope of survival.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought here.<br />
Let's see the War on Drugs (as we currently know it) started in 1988; since then the actual flow and use of drugs has expanded exponentially. It has done nothing more to disrupt drug usage or flow than build a few more prisons and throw loved ones, sons, daughters, brothers etc into said prisons and push them into a more desperate spiral of addiction. Of course we shouldn't view drug addiction as a medical problem but rather a criminal problem although every PhD on the planet would disagree. Just a little fact people cannot deny.<br />
The War on Terror IS NOT the War in Iraq. PERIOD. The modest estimates has concluded that the "War in Iraq" has done nothing more than generate sympathy and aided in terrorist recruiting. So that didn't work out so well did it. There is absolutely nothing anyone anywhere can say that would make War more attractive. Anything that leads to the death or imprisonment of any civilian at any capacity should be viewed as the last hope of survival.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative terrorists and the rhetoric they feed on &#171; 4&#38;20 blackbirds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conservative terrorists and the rhetoric they feed on &#171; 4&#38;20 blackbirds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Those of us that expected the right to cool their ardor for extremist rhetoric were sorely disappointed. After all, many righties actually thought the election was a mandate for conservatism. So when al Qaeda hailed the results of the 2006 election, you can only guess the reaction from the right. Ultimately I’m with Steven Taylor: al Qaeda probably doesn’t understand American politics and doesn’t really care about the policies as long as George Bush is dealt a blow. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Those of us that expected the right to cool their ardor for extremist rhetoric were sorely disappointed. After all, many righties actually thought the election was a mandate for conservatism. So when al Qaeda hailed the results of the 2006 election, you can only guess the reaction from the right. Ultimately I&rsquo;m with Steven Taylor: al Qaeda probably doesn&rsquo;t understand American politics and doesn&rsquo;t really care about the policies as long as George Bush is dealt a blow. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stupid Git</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stupid Git</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that Democrats are against data mining and wiretaps is odd given the fact that Clinton notoriously tapped phones and engaged in data-mining. What will it take for both sides to realize that choosing between Dem or Repub is like choosing between Gambino and Genovese leadership. They are both in it for power and while they bicker on certain issues are in the pockets of the same financiers. 

Of course, anyone who actually believes Al Qaeda propaganda obviously isn&#039;t all that sharp and is no match for American propaganda.

Good luck to those poor misguided folks who don&#039;t see that their beloved leaders are not the mythical shepard leading them to safety but are instead the practical shepard keeping them safe long enough to sell them to the slaughter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that Democrats are against data mining and wiretaps is odd given the fact that Clinton notoriously tapped phones and engaged in data-mining. What will it take for both sides to realize that choosing between Dem or Repub is like choosing between Gambino and Genovese leadership. They are both in it for power and while they bicker on certain issues are in the pockets of the same financiers. </p>
<p>Of course, anyone who actually believes Al Qaeda propaganda obviously isn't all that sharp and is no match for American propaganda.</p>
<p>Good luck to those poor misguided folks who don't see that their beloved leaders are not the mythical shepard leading them to safety but are instead the practical shepard keeping them safe long enough to sell them to the slaughter.</p>
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		<title>By: bains</title>
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		<dc:creator>bains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Replete with irony, legaleagle shows how to engage in discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Replete with irony, legaleagle shows how to engage in discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: legaleagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>legaleagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 04:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven,

I have to commend you for your reasoned position on this issue, but I also must express my hope that the Republican Party continue to feature the the seething stupidity of half-wits like Bithead or pompous buffoons like bains.  Every  time they vomit out their &quot;Democrats-are-friends-of-the-terrorists&quot; idiocy, it exposes the speciousness of Republican calls for bipartisanship, and provides perfect cover for investigating the Simpering Imbecile week after week after week.  It just goes to show, you can &lt;blockquote&gt;never&lt;/blockquote&gt; overestimate Republicans&#039; fanaticism, childishness, or comical lack of self-control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven,</p>
<p>I have to commend you for your reasoned position on this issue, but I also must express my hope that the Republican Party continue to feature the the seething stupidity of half-wits like Bithead or pompous buffoons like bains.  Every  time they vomit out their "Democrats-are-friends-of-the-terrorists" idiocy, it exposes the speciousness of Republican calls for bipartisanship, and provides perfect cover for investigating the Simpering Imbecile week after week after week.  It just goes to show, you can<br />
<blockquote>never</p></blockquote>
<p> overestimate Republicans' fanaticism, childishness, or comical lack of self-control.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 20:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Steven. It is remarkable that Bit is happy to lap up the cream of terrorist propaganda, simply because some of it targets Americans with whom he disagrees on policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Steven. It is remarkable that Bit is happy to lap up the cream of terrorist propaganda, simply because some of it targets Americans with whom he disagrees on policy.</p>
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		<title>By: bains</title>
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		<dc:creator>bains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually my question harps back to previous OTB posts on partisanship.  For many, only the other side has &quot;blind&quot; partisans - never the partisan on your side of the issue.  Someone even went as far as calling the other side disingenuously partisan, a fallacy of definition.  Your usage of blind, in that context, implies a bias of your own.

Now to the crux of your post, that al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, et al, have been mimicking the rhetoric of the left is somehow unimportant.     It&#039;s not just the right partisan that interprets the left&#039;s comments as appeasement, its the jihadists as well.  Irrespective of the home front propaganda value,  our enemies are not forcing contrived interpretations nor false contexts, they are quoting US politicians verbatim.  And therein is the problem.  The propaganda originates within the left of our own country.  Al Qaeda is merely repeating it.  For opponents of the Bush administration to &lt;b&gt;now&lt;/b&gt; complain that they have been miscast as appeasers or cut-and-runners is truly disingenuous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually my question harps back to previous OTB posts on partisanship.  For many, only the other side has "blind" partisans - never the partisan on your side of the issue.  Someone even went as far as calling the other side disingenuously partisan, a fallacy of definition.  Your usage of blind, in that context, implies a bias of your own.</p>
<p>Now to the crux of your post, that al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, et al, have been mimicking the rhetoric of the left is somehow unimportant.     It's not just the right partisan that interprets the left's comments as appeasement, its the jihadists as well.  Irrespective of the home front propaganda value,  our enemies are not forcing contrived interpretations nor false contexts, they are quoting US politicians verbatim.  And therein is the problem.  The propaganda originates within the left of our own country.  Al Qaeda is merely repeating it.  For opponents of the Bush administration to <b>now</b> complain that they have been miscast as appeasers or cut-and-runners is truly disingenuous.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bains,

There is plenty of partisan blinders to go around, including on the leftward side of things.

However, just saying &quot;the other side does it too&quot; isn&#039;t really very useful.  Are we to say that what we ought to be doing is saying &quot;everyone does it, so  it doesn&#039;t matter?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bains,</p>
<p>There is plenty of partisan blinders to go around, including on the leftward side of things.</p>
<p>However, just saying "the other side does it too" isn't really very useful.  Are we to say that what we ought to be doing is saying "everyone does it, so  it doesn't matter?"</p>
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		<title>By: bains</title>
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		<dc:creator>bains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Who did the most during the campaign to tell the nation, the world, and the terrorists, expressly, that a Democratic victory would help the terrorists and lead to an American defeat?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Answering GW Bush ignores the fact that the left, for the past three years, provided the raw words which Bush favorably synthesized.  It in fact exposes ones own partisanship.
&lt;blockquote&gt;...part of the answer is grounded in blind partisan loyalty that sees the Republicans as somehow the sole keepers of defense and security and the Democrats as the party of appeasers and cowards.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  Just curious Steve, is another partisan equally blind when they rephrase this as &quot;Republicans are usurpers of constitutional liberties or agents for corporate imperalism&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Who did the most during the campaign to tell the nation, the world, and the terrorists, expressly, that a Democratic victory would help the terrorists and lead to an American defeat?</p></blockquote>
<p>Answering GW Bush ignores the fact that the left, for the past three years, provided the raw words which Bush favorably synthesized.  It in fact exposes ones own partisanship.</p>
<blockquote><p>...part of the answer is grounded in blind partisan loyalty that sees the Republicans as somehow the sole keepers of defense and security and the Democrats as the party of appeasers and cowards.</p></blockquote>
<p>  Just curious Steve, is another partisan equally blind when they rephrase this as "Republicans are usurpers of constitutional liberties or agents for corporate imperalism"?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bithead:

The very fact that they are a group of murderous thugs who are clearly seeking to score propaganda points is enough of a reason for me to take their words with a grain of salt (if not a shaker).

It is remarkable that you would be so willing to take such people at their words just because they serve your partisan point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bithead:</p>
<p>The very fact that they are a group of murderous thugs who are clearly seeking to score propaganda points is enough of a reason for me to take their words with a grain of salt (if not a shaker).</p>
<p>It is remarkable that you would be so willing to take such people at their words just because they serve your partisan point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So you are saying that you take al Qaeda at it’s word?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

IN this case, I se no reason not to. Perhaps you can give us such a reason.... Explain to us how the democrats being in office, does not benefit the terrorists particularly when they&#039;ve been making every motion possible to capitulate to them. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;So if you’ll come up with some actual *reporting* on Conyers, Pelosi, at all, then I’ll be sure to give it the attention it deserves.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

One word: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=redeployment+pelosi&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Redeployment&lt;/a&gt;

Which of course is code, in this context, for &#039;surrender&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So you are saying that you take al Qaeda at it&rsquo;s word?</p></blockquote>
<p>IN this case, I se no reason not to. Perhaps you can give us such a reason.... Explain to us how the democrats being in office, does not benefit the terrorists particularly when they've been making every motion possible to capitulate to them. </p>
<blockquote><p>So if you&rsquo;ll come up with some actual *reporting* on Conyers, Pelosi, at all, then I&rsquo;ll be sure to give it the attention it deserves.</p></blockquote>
<p>One word: <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=redeployment+pelosi&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">Redeployment</a></p>
<p>Which of course is code, in this context, for 'surrender'.</p>
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		<title>By: PoliBlog &#8482;: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; Hey Look, I&#8217;m a &#8220;right wing nut&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoliBlog &#8482;: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; Hey Look, I&#8217;m a &#8220;right wing nut&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 04:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The real irony is that I have taken some grief over at OTB for my criticism of Rush Limbaugh and Hugh Hewitt and my concerns about knee-jerk partisanship. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The real irony is that I have taken some grief over at OTB for my criticism of Rush Limbaugh and Hugh Hewitt and my concerns about knee-jerk partisanship. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Taylor</dc:creator>
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		<description>The bottom line is that there are legitimate debates to be had about what constitutes the WOT and also as the proper ways to collect intelligence domestically and how one ought to treat detainees.

Part of the problem seems to be that they think that the President&#039;s approach has been sacrosanct.  Based on what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is that there are legitimate debates to be had about what constitutes the WOT and also as the proper ways to collect intelligence domestically and how one ought to treat detainees.</p>
<p>Part of the problem seems to be that they think that the President's approach has been sacrosanct.  Based on what?</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 03:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Pelosi stated on 60 minutes that the war on terror “was the war in Afghanistan”&lt;/em&gt;

In contrast to the war in Iraq.  Context ...

&lt;em&gt;Do you really think Pelosi is going to be giving permission for data mining?&lt;/em&gt;

Can the White House show that it&#039;s effective?

As for the &quot;war on terror,&quot; one of the problems is thinking it&#039;s a &quot;war.&quot;  Counterterror is going to require some finesse, not just a bunch of Predator drones.  (See our recent missile attack in Pakistan; were the returns of killing a few bad guys worth the reaction we caused?)

Terrorists are scum, like pirates &amp; mobsters, and should be treated as such, with an intelligent combination of military &amp; law-enforcement approaches, tailored to individual situations.  Or, to paraphrase a bumper sticker I saw last week, &quot;&#039;Yeehaw!&#039; is not a counterterror strategy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Pelosi stated on 60 minutes that the war on terror “was the war in Afghanistan”</em></p>
<p>In contrast to the war in Iraq.  Context ...</p>
<p><em>Do you really think Pelosi is going to be giving permission for data mining?</em></p>
<p>Can the White House show that it's effective?</p>
<p>As for the "war on terror," one of the problems is thinking it's a "war."  Counterterror is going to require some finesse, not just a bunch of Predator drones.  (See our recent missile attack in Pakistan; were the returns of killing a few bad guys worth the reaction we caused?)</p>
<p>Terrorists are scum, like pirates &amp; mobsters, and should be treated as such, with an intelligent combination of military &amp; law-enforcement approaches, tailored to individual situations.  Or, to paraphrase a bumper sticker I saw last week, "'Yeehaw!' is not a counterterror strategy."</p>
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