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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 03:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pro sports teams are about all downtown St. Louis has going for it.  St. Louis has to be the easiest town in the country to get into and out of the pro sports areans, and all three of them are within a one square mile area.  It&#039;s nice now, but I don;t see how it can last.

The population center for the St. Louis SMSA is now west of I270 (the ring road for St. Louis).  The decrepit ring around downtown is pretty stunning and is going to make revitalizing St. Louis that much tougher.  To be honest, I&#039;m not sure it can be done.

Boyd, of course you may call me Charles.  I&#039;m a hunt and peck typer so I just avoid the shift key to save time.  I&#039;m more of a single malt man myself, though I do like a good beer from time to time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pro sports teams are about all downtown St. Louis has going for it.  St. Louis has to be the easiest town in the country to get into and out of the pro sports areans, and all three of them are within a one square mile area.  It's nice now, but I don;t see how it can last.</p>
<p>The population center for the St. Louis SMSA is now west of I270 (the ring road for St. Louis).  The decrepit ring around downtown is pretty stunning and is going to make revitalizing St. Louis that much tougher.  To be honest, I'm not sure it can be done.</p>
<p>Boyd, of course you may call me Charles.  I'm a hunt and peck typer so I just avoid the shift key to save time.  I'm more of a single malt man myself, though I do like a good beer from time to time.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>charles (or can I call you Charles?), I&#039;ve never looked for it here partly because I&#039;m not much of a beer drinking, preferring stronger stuff, plus it never occurred to me that Boddington&#039;s would be widely imported to the US. It&#039;s been many years since I&#039;ve had any, so I&#039;m not even sure I&#039;d still like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>charles (or can I call you Charles?), I've never looked for it here partly because I'm not much of a beer drinking, preferring stronger stuff, plus it never occurred to me that Boddington's would be widely imported to the US. It's been many years since I've had any, so I'm not even sure I'd still like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Capsu78</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capsu78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a 30 year &quot;brand supporter&quot; of green bottled Rolling Rock, I think it is completely fair play to not oppose an AB sale to &quot;foreigners&quot;. It didn&#039;t stop the &quot;Missourians&quot;.

BTW, I stopped buying RR...tastes like Bud Lite to me now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a 30 year "brand supporter" of green bottled Rolling Rock, I think it is completely fair play to not oppose an AB sale to "foreigners". It didn't stop the "Missourians".</p>
<p>BTW, I stopped buying RR...tastes like Bud Lite to me now.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles,  I happened to visit STL last week on business and stayed at the Hilton next to the stadium.  The downtown area has some nice parts, but I was surprised at how close the marginal neighborhoods were to it.  It&#039;s obvious from walking and driving in downtown that STL has seen better days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,  I happened to visit STL last week on business and stayed at the Hilton next to the stadium.  The downtown area has some nice parts, but I was surprised at how close the marginal neighborhoods were to it.  It's obvious from walking and driving in downtown that STL has seen better days.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if this isn&#039;t the first in an avalanche of asset sales given the spectacularly weak dollar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if this isn't the first in an avalanche of asset sales given the spectacularly weak dollar.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/anheuser-busch_46_billion_belgian_buyout_bid/comment-page-1/#comment-408775</link>
		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, there is perhaps a differnce in attitude between those who own A-B and those who work for A-B on this matter.

A brand new stadium (originally called the TWA Dome, currently called the Edward Jones Dome) was built for the Rams to lure them here about 15 years ago.  Hopefully, that isn&#039;t the new elapsed time standard for billion dollar tax transfers to wealthy sports team owners.  Busch stadium lasted all of 40 years before it was torn down.

Dave, I moved here 10 years ago, so the high school question doesn&#039;t work for me, but I do know exactly what you mean.

DC Loser, as a free market advocate, I wouldn&#039;t oppose the sale.  St. Louis&#039; business decline predates globalization.  When the World&#039;s Fair was held here in 1904, St. Louis was the fourth largest city in the country.  What went wrong is a long, sordid, and controversial tale. This is just the latest blow.

Boyd, I&#039;ve always been able to find Boddington&#039;s in a can with a widget wherever I&#039;ve been, but it was best on tap in Surrey.  And I got to see Jack Dee&#039;s widget ads.  Classic.  Alas, no YouTube link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, there is perhaps a differnce in attitude between those who own A-B and those who work for A-B on this matter.</p>
<p>A brand new stadium (originally called the TWA Dome, currently called the Edward Jones Dome) was built for the Rams to lure them here about 15 years ago.  Hopefully, that isn't the new elapsed time standard for billion dollar tax transfers to wealthy sports team owners.  Busch stadium lasted all of 40 years before it was torn down.</p>
<p>Dave, I moved here 10 years ago, so the high school question doesn't work for me, but I do know exactly what you mean.</p>
<p>DC Loser, as a free market advocate, I wouldn't oppose the sale.  St. Louis' business decline predates globalization.  When the World's Fair was held here in 1904, St. Louis was the fourth largest city in the country.  What went wrong is a long, sordid, and controversial tale. This is just the latest blow.</p>
<p>Boyd, I've always been able to find Boddington's in a can with a widget wherever I've been, but it was best on tap in Surrey.  And I got to see Jack Dee's widget ads.  Classic.  Alas, no YouTube link.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, James. I would probably have checked TotalWine eventually, but thanks for short-circuiting my search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, James. I would probably have checked TotalWine eventually, but thanks for short-circuiting my search.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;ll have to see if I can find it in the DC area.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve found Bodington&#039;s quite a bit here, albeit in cans (you have to actually shake it because there&#039;s a ball in there) all over Northern Virginia.  Certainly, TotalWine has it.  I think World Market, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'll have to see if I can find it in the DC area.</p></blockquote>
<p>I've found Bodington's quite a bit here, albeit in cans (you have to actually shake it because there's a ball in there) all over Northern Virginia.  Certainly, TotalWine has it.  I think World Market, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bodington&#039;s is available in the US? I&#039;ve never seen it outside Great Britain, and is one of the few beers/ales that I can stand to drink.

I&#039;ll have to see if I can find it in the DC area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bodington's is available in the US? I've never seen it outside Great Britain, and is one of the few beers/ales that I can stand to drink.</p>
<p>I'll have to see if I can find it in the DC area.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of details here since I know a bit about the industry.  I’d equally argue that InBev is a Brazilian company due to a merger of a couple of years ago. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbev &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;InBev&lt;/a&gt; = Interbrew (BE) + AmBev (BZ). The CEO is from Brazil.  

As for the AB empire you have to separate out the distribution from the production in the USA, under the Three-tier system and the Volstead Act (FYI, beer in NOT an intoxicating beverage under that law, which is why beer was available ~1 year before Prohibition was repealed). The law in the US is that the producers can’t sell directly to the ultimate seller AKA Three-tier system. 
So brewer-sells to a distributor, who sells to the retail location (who then sells to you). The brewer (or distiller or winemaker) is prohibited from selling (interstate)  directly to a retailer, a middleman is required by law. 

Back in the mid-90s AB bought about 50% of several microbrews and foreign brews in order to bring them under the AB umbrella and allow their distributors to have microbrews (except in areas where existing distribution contracts existed):
Grupo Modelo (Corona, Negra Modelo, Pacifico)
Tsingtao
Redhook
Widmer Brothers

Beers you don’t think are Bud, but are:
Rolling Rock
O’Douls (real decent job on the dark)
Tequiza (cough, beer?)

Meanwhile, Miller is owned by SABMiller. South African Brewery/Miller. Coors is Molson/Coors. 

Me, I drink locally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of details here since I know a bit about the industry.  I&rsquo;d equally argue that InBev is a Brazilian company due to a merger of a couple of years ago. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbev " rel="nofollow">InBev</a> = Interbrew (BE) + AmBev (BZ). The CEO is from Brazil.  </p>
<p>As for the AB empire you have to separate out the distribution from the production in the USA, under the Three-tier system and the Volstead Act (FYI, beer in NOT an intoxicating beverage under that law, which is why beer was available ~1 year before Prohibition was repealed). The law in the US is that the producers can&rsquo;t sell directly to the ultimate seller AKA Three-tier system.<br />
So brewer-sells to a distributor, who sells to the retail location (who then sells to you). The brewer (or distiller or winemaker) is prohibited from selling (interstate)  directly to a retailer, a middleman is required by law. </p>
<p>Back in the mid-90s AB bought about 50% of several microbrews and foreign brews in order to bring them under the AB umbrella and allow their distributors to have microbrews (except in areas where existing distribution contracts existed):<br />
Grupo Modelo (Corona, Negra Modelo, Pacifico)<br />
Tsingtao<br />
Redhook<br />
Widmer Brothers</p>
<p>Beers you don&rsquo;t think are Bud, but are:<br />
Rolling Rock<br />
O&rsquo;Douls (real decent job on the dark)<br />
Tequiza (cough, beer?)</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Miller is owned by SABMiller. South African Brewery/Miller. Coors is Molson/Coors. </p>
<p>Me, I drink locally.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Globalization is great except when foreigners want to do it to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Globalization is great except when foreigners want to do it to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say, charles austin, where did you go to high school?

Well, obviously, the sale made sense to the Busch family, a significant number of whom live completely off their stock in the company.  

InBev has a substantial presence in Latin America and I wonder if they&#039;re not the distributors for Busch there.  The relationship between the two companies may go back a ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say, charles austin, where did you go to high school?</p>
<p>Well, obviously, the sale made sense to the Busch family, a significant number of whom live completely off their stock in the company.  </p>
<p>InBev has a substantial presence in Latin America and I wonder if they're not the distributors for Busch there.  The relationship between the two companies may go back a ways.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the local attitude is that they can piss off. No one here thinks this is a good idea.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Save, perhaps, for those being offered a 15 percent premium on their stock shares.  But, yeah, I can&#039;t imagine this would be good for StL.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Rams may well be leaving for, can you believe it, LA. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Considering that StL lost the Cardinals -- granted, not that big a loss -- during my memory, you&#039;d think they&#039;d learn.  The Rams won a Super Bowl, went to another, and have had several decent runs in the very recent past.  A state-of-the-art stadium is, like it or not, part of the cost of doing business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the local attitude is that they can piss off. No one here thinks this is a good idea.</p></blockquote>
<p>Save, perhaps, for those being offered a 15 percent premium on their stock shares.  But, yeah, I can't imagine this would be good for StL.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Rams may well be leaving for, can you believe it, LA. </p></blockquote>
<p>Considering that StL lost the Cardinals -- granted, not that big a loss -- during my memory, you'd think they'd learn.  The Rams won a Super Bowl, went to another, and have had several decent runs in the very recent past.  A state-of-the-art stadium is, like it or not, part of the cost of doing business.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As someone who drinks Bass when he drinks beer, I feel so ... dirty.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Heh. They&#039;ve got a lot of trucks, I guess. And those really big horses.  But, yeah, I drink Bass and Bodington&#039;s quite frequently and never realized there was an A-B connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As someone who drinks Bass when he drinks beer, I feel so ... dirty.</p></blockquote>
<p>Heh. They've got a lot of trucks, I guess. And those really big horses.  But, yeah, I drink Bass and Bodington's quite frequently and never realized there was an A-B connection.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bud distributes Bass???

As someone who drinks Bass when he drinks beer, I feel so ... dirty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bud distributes Bass???</p>
<p>As someone who drinks Bass when he drinks beer, I feel so ... dirty.</p>
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