As a Christian I take no responsibility for any "so called" leaders; past, present,secular,political,or spiritual.I am responsible only to principle and of course to only one Principal. I prefer to be judged in the light of this fact rather than by any ill-conceived affilliation perceived through biased eyes.

I apologize for any apparent obfuscation. I will hereafter endeavor to be more direct and succinct leaving less doubt as to my point.

Unadulerated factual text is commonly the tool of intentional prevarication,and so your point is made, and understood.

Everyday we read about people who have used the bill of rights to justify every perversion including murder. Would you then say that the constitution is an abhorrent document ,because it has been misused?Were the authors perverse murderers?

What is your point? That "On the Jews and their Lies" is not a horrible Antisemitic text? Would you defend "Protocols of the Elders of the Zion" on the same grounds (they are much less Antisemitic in themselves).

Which of those Luther's ideas are noble and enlightened and were only used by bad people to justify their evil?

1) "First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. ..."

2) "Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. ..."

4) "Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. ..."

5) "Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. ..."

8) "If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven from our country" and "we must drive them out like mad dogs."

Now go on, defend this, prove to me that Hitler was only perverting noble Luther's ideas.

My point is simple: there is a horrible history of Christian Antisemitism which, for example, Islamic Antisemitism simply doesn't match, and to unreflexively say "it's alright because it's just our dogma" means to ignore some of the worst things that Western civilization ever did.

The reverse is also true for the early Christians, who were treated every bit as badly by the Jews as Catholic leaders often later treated the Jews. In that one, if you want to get technical, the Jews set the tone for how the Catholics would later treat them.

Not to mention them killing Christ.
So, your point is, "it was the Jews' fault". This in the context of defending someone from charges of the Antisemitism.

Hitler being inspired by the works of Luther doesn't make Hitler a Christian, nor does it put the two men on the same plane.

This doesn't change anything about the fact that the most vile Antisemitic text ever (certainly one of the most vile ones) was written by a founder of the modern Christianity. The question of Hitler's religion is complicated, but he certainly didn't try to convert every German into a pagan. When he wanted to rally good Christian Germans about "let's slaughter the Jews" idea, he used the text of Luther, who, in the vileness of his writings against the Jews, was unmatched by anyone.

Not if you want to go back to the 14th century, no, I suppose not. Pre reformation, wasn't it?

I'm sorry, were we arguing about Islam being inherently more violent than Christianity, or just recently more violent that Christianity?

Odd; Isn't that where the Islamics want to take us?

And modern evangelical Christians want to take us back to the 16th century, so if you are ok with that, but not ok with the 14th century, perhaps you could tell us exactly when the "old ways" stop being good, and start being bad.

You left out, or put them to Death.

****Apparently nobody at media matters has learned, much less taken to heart, the commandment of Christ himself to "go and make disciples of all nations".*****

It's more like take His Word to all the people of the Earth and if a group your talking to won't listen dust off your feet and move on to the next.

*****Historically, Islamic literalistic Antisemitism pales when compared to Christianity's literalistic Antisemitism.*****

Yes, as in the teachings of Christ has none, only evil men and thier unbiblical dogma! no Islam on the other hand, lol.

*****If you accept the idea that God is too big for men to comprehend, then by definition anything man can comprehend is _not_ God.*******

God wrote a book for you to be able to understand wants you to know, but unless you study it with the aid of the Holy spirit your not going to understand, and seeing that there is only one way to gain this help most of the proud are never going to know.

*****Nicolay;
Hitler being inspired by the works of Luther doesn't make Hitler a Christian, nor does it put the two men on the same plane.*****

Hitler was evolutionist, and a socialist,i.e. a liberal.

liberals being inspired by the works of other liberals, have put to death 45million+ babies in this country alone with just one of their final salutions.

The argument was not "Islamofascists and literalistic Christians have similar views on some things", the argument was "the logic that makes Islamofascists what they are is the same logic that is used by the literalistic Christians".

Yours is a distinction without a difference. The commenter said that the teaching to go make disciples of all nations was what we around here call Islamofascism. Therefore, there was a direct equivocation between Jesus' statements and Mohammed's statements. It was just a weasely way of saying that Christianity and Islam are not very different from one another by joining them on an allegedly common theme.

And you said there are throngs of Jews persecuted by Christians in the history books. The reverse is also true for the early Christians, who were treated every bit as badly by the Jews as Catholic leaders often later treated the Jews. In that one, if you want to get technical, the Jews set the tone for how the Catholics would later treat them.

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That's the reality of what happened, like it or ...

I received this email Tuesday, Oct. 9, 2007, from Michael Yon. It blew me away, and that was without reading his article! That is somewhat of a great achievement, since I'm used to not believing our dinosaur media. Well, it must be worse than I thoug....

Anton Lavey prohibited harming children in his principles of Satanism. Judaism prohibits the harming of children. Therefore Jews and Satanists believe the same thing (based on your argument).

Would you say that Jews and Satanists have _different_ views on harming the children?

The argument was not "Islamofascists and literalistic Christians have similar views on some things", the argument was "the logic that makes Islamofascists what they are is the same logic that is used by the literalistic Christians".