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		<title>By: albee</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/anti-elite_hackery_and_the_bush_administration/comment-page-1/#comment-120434</link>
		<dc:creator>albee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FDR brought tons of New Yorkers to Washington. JFK brought the Ivy League to Washington. Jimmy Doofus brought unqualified people to Washington. I believe presidents select people in the image of their agenda.

Why do people insist on criticizing Bush over anything regardless of the importance of the issue? This issue carries all the import of a nocturnal emission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDR brought tons of New Yorkers to Washington. JFK brought the Ivy League to Washington. Jimmy Doofus brought unqualified people to Washington. I believe presidents select people in the image of their agenda.</p>
<p>Why do people insist on criticizing Bush over anything regardless of the importance of the issue? This issue carries all the import of a nocturnal emission.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/anti-elite_hackery_and_the_bush_administration/comment-page-1/#comment-120433</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;One of the latest examples adduced of President Bush’s tendency to appoint ideologically agreeable hacks rather than traditionally-qualified people to the administration ...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I personally question the value of &quot;traditionally-qualified people&quot;, who have so mis served and mis-used their positions in the recent past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One of the latest examples adduced of President Bush&rsquo;s tendency to appoint ideologically agreeable hacks rather than traditionally-qualified people to the administration ...</p></blockquote>
<p>I personally question the value of "traditionally-qualified people", who have so mis served and mis-used their positions in the recent past.</p>
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		<title>By: Bandit</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/anti-elite_hackery_and_the_bush_administration/comment-page-1/#comment-120416</link>
		<dc:creator>Bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;it&#039;s that a student at Regent is unlikely to encounter many people with a differing world view let alone engage in vigorous debate with them. This insularity in and of itself makes for a mediocre legal education. And a tendency towards engaging in &quot;goupthink&quot;. &lt;/blockquote&gt; Wow - maybe you need to make a visit to Harvard Square if you want to see some &quot;goupthink&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>it's that a student at Regent is unlikely to encounter many people with a differing world view let alone engage in vigorous debate with them. This insularity in and of itself makes for a mediocre legal education. And a tendency towards engaging in "goupthink". </p></blockquote>
<p> Wow - maybe you need to make a visit to Harvard Square if you want to see some "goupthink".</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/anti-elite_hackery_and_the_bush_administration/comment-page-1/#comment-120362</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s James and me...a couple of blog bullies.  Now get out of here before we kick your ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that's James and me...a couple of blog bullies.  Now get out of here before we kick your ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/anti-elite_hackery_and_the_bush_administration/comment-page-1/#comment-120357</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must have touched a nerve.  Now it takes two OTB guys to gang up on me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must have touched a nerve.  Now it takes two OTB guys to gang up on me?</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/anti-elite_hackery_and_the_bush_administration/comment-page-1/#comment-120349</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;big, obscure words in relating your opinions to us. Like the word &quot;Adduced&quot;.&lt;/em&gt;

If my use of two syllable words is too much for you, I apologize.  Or, should I say, I&#039;m sorry.  Um, my bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>big, obscure words in relating your opinions to us. Like the word "Adduced".</em></p>
<p>If my use of two syllable words is too much for you, I apologize.  Or, should I say, I'm sorry.  Um, my bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/anti-elite_hackery_and_the_bush_administration/comment-page-1/#comment-120344</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, I&#039;m thinking somebody as ADE (Advanced Degree Envy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, I'm thinking somebody as ADE (Advanced Degree Envy).</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/anti-elite_hackery_and_the_bush_administration/comment-page-1/#comment-120341</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, James, you&#039;ve got a PhD?  I could never have &quot;adduced&quot; that except that you use such big, obscure words in relating your opinions to us.  Like the word &quot;Adduced&quot;.

And you suffer academic biases from having a PhD?  I have to think it is more from using silly words.  Did you get beat up a lot in grade school?  High school?  College?

From now on I will try and do a better job of &quot;adducing&quot; things about the Bush administration, even though I don&#039;t have a PhD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, James, you've got a PhD?  I could never have "adduced" that except that you use such big, obscure words in relating your opinions to us.  Like the word "Adduced".</p>
<p>And you suffer academic biases from having a PhD?  I have to think it is more from using silly words.  Did you get beat up a lot in grade school?  High school?  College?</p>
<p>From now on I will try and do a better job of "adducing" things about the Bush administration, even though I don't have a PhD.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, 

Not all of the 3,000 plus would be considered political appointees.  Most of them are actually schedule C employees which is a form of political patronage.  No one expects the patronage jobs to be elite.  They are usually the idiot children of big donors (Monica Lewinsky, anyone?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, </p>
<p>Not all of the 3,000 plus would be considered political appointees.  Most of them are actually schedule C employees which is a form of political patronage.  No one expects the patronage jobs to be elite.  They are usually the idiot children of big donors (Monica Lewinsky, anyone?).</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/anti-elite_hackery_and_the_bush_administration/comment-page-1/#comment-120333</link>
		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If it&#039;s elitism of pedigree, it&#039;s somewhat problematic because it excludes highly competent candidates without degrees from those institutions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Listen, James, enough of the anti-Bush rhetoric, please!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If it's elitism of pedigree, it's somewhat problematic because it excludes highly competent candidates without degrees from those institutions.</p></blockquote>
<p>Listen, James, enough of the anti-Bush rhetoric, please!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/anti-elite_hackery_and_the_bush_administration/comment-page-1/#comment-120327</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jeff b&#039;s comments pretty much sum up the problem.  Even if we were to look at all the positions as Chris suggests, it still wouldn&#039;t detract from the very real possibility that Regent University grads are getting through the selection process at a pretty amazing rate.  There aren&#039;t large numbers other people coming from other much higher ranked schools that match up to the current administrations political ideology?  That has nearly broken my bogosity meter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeff b's comments pretty much sum up the problem.  Even if we were to look at all the positions as Chris suggests, it still wouldn't detract from the very real possibility that Regent University grads are getting through the selection process at a pretty amazing rate.  There aren't large numbers other people coming from other much higher ranked schools that match up to the current administrations political ideology?  That has nearly broken my bogosity meter.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff b</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is empirical evidence that Regent is a below-average institution.  It&#039;s obvious why Clinton would not have appointed many Regent graduates: their JD program was not fully ABA-approved until 1996.  In 2005 only 3 in 5 of their candidates passed the Virginia bar, whereas candidates overall passed at a rate of 3 in 4.  So although it&#039;s completely true that a stellar candidate may have gone through Regent, it&#039;s also true that if you select 150 Regent law school grads, you have assured yourself of hiring a below-average bunch of lawyers.

By the way, 150 represents two entire classes of Regent grads who pass the bar, meaning that the Bush administration is by far the largest employer of Regent alumni.  Which, combined with the fact that the school has only been accredited for 10 years, means that these people are coming into the Department of Justice with essentially zero experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is empirical evidence that Regent is a below-average institution.  It's obvious why Clinton would not have appointed many Regent graduates: their JD program was not fully ABA-approved until 1996.  In 2005 only 3 in 5 of their candidates passed the Virginia bar, whereas candidates overall passed at a rate of 3 in 4.  So although it's completely true that a stellar candidate may have gone through Regent, it's also true that if you select 150 Regent law school grads, you have assured yourself of hiring a below-average bunch of lawyers.</p>
<p>By the way, 150 represents two entire classes of Regent grads who pass the bar, meaning that the Bush administration is by far the largest employer of Regent alumni.  Which, combined with the fact that the school has only been accredited for 10 years, means that these people are coming into the Department of Justice with essentially zero experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/anti-elite_hackery_and_the_bush_administration/comment-page-1/#comment-120320</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 150 graduates figure is impressive, but I&#039;d really like to see the denominator: are we talking about out of 3674 executive-branch political appointees (a figure I just got from Congress and its Members) or a more select group?  Are we talking 150 JDs or mostly BA/BS with a smattering of higher degrees?

That said, if any school--even an elite one--accounts for 5% of political appointees that seems rather high, given that there are hundreds of accredited law schools in America (and thousands of undergraduate institutions).  And there are strong philosophical arguments for having a bureaucracy staffed and headed by more than a few select universities (which is one of the fundamental problems of continental governments, most notably that of France).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 150 graduates figure is impressive, but I'd really like to see the denominator: are we talking about out of 3674 executive-branch political appointees (a figure I just got from Congress and its Members) or a more select group?  Are we talking 150 JDs or mostly BA/BS with a smattering of higher degrees?</p>
<p>That said, if any school--even an elite one--accounts for 5% of political appointees that seems rather high, given that there are hundreds of accredited law schools in America (and thousands of undergraduate institutions).  And there are strong philosophical arguments for having a bureaucracy staffed and headed by more than a few select universities (which is one of the fundamental problems of continental governments, most notably that of France).</p>
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		<title>By: djneylon</title>
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		<dc:creator>djneylon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it might also be worth considering the Regent is very active in on-line education and reaches out to adults who are returning to school.  As to diversity of classmates being some wonderful thing, I think that is a figment of imagination of &quot;liberals&quot; who would have us believe that being surrounded by diversity somehow makes us better people.  I would rather think that a strong set of moral values is more important than the racial/sexual/ethnic mix of the school you attended.  I also feel this is yet another example of anti-Christian bias (i.e., they went to a Christian school, what can they know?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it might also be worth considering the Regent is very active in on-line education and reaches out to adults who are returning to school.  As to diversity of classmates being some wonderful thing, I think that is a figment of imagination of "liberals" who would have us believe that being surrounded by diversity somehow makes us better people.  I would rather think that a strong set of moral values is more important than the racial/sexual/ethnic mix of the school you attended.  I also feel this is yet another example of anti-Christian bias (i.e., they went to a Christian school, what can they know?)</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;What&#039;s wrong with being elitist&lt;/em&gt;

If it&#039;s elitism of pedigree, it&#039;s somewhat problematic because it excludes highly competent candidates without degrees from those institutions.  

&lt;em&gt;religious affiliation is now highly correlated with the likelihood of landing a position in a federal agency&lt;/em&gt;

Well, only at the appointee level. It simply doesn&#039;t come up in the civil service hiring system.  One presumes that the Clinton administration hired very few from Regents, Liberty, and the like.  And one can&#039;t blame them for taking the obvious signaling on face value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What's wrong with being elitist</em></p>
<p>If it's elitism of pedigree, it's somewhat problematic because it excludes highly competent candidates without degrees from those institutions.  </p>
<p><em>religious affiliation is now highly correlated with the likelihood of landing a position in a federal agency</em></p>
<p>Well, only at the appointee level. It simply doesn't come up in the civil service hiring system.  One presumes that the Clinton administration hired very few from Regents, Liberty, and the like.  And one can't blame them for taking the obvious signaling on face value.</p>
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