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	<title>Comments on: Democrats Say Karl Rove Should Apologize or Resign</title>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush and Cheny, immediately after 9-11, wanted to attack Iraq.

 Luckily, other people in the administration were able to force moderation and restraint on them and investigate who actually attacked us. While no fan of moveon.org, isn&#039;t that exactly what they were saying: don&#039;t go off half cocked, go after the terroists and not the people of a country they might reside in, get the international community involved. All these things happened, although I doubt moveon.org had anything to do with it. We even tried to get the Taliban to cooperate and only attacked them when they refused to help.

Seriously, I think Rove is trying to conflate Iraq with 9-11 again. He was certainly implying the Democrats are who he meant be &quot;liberals&quot;, ignoring the unamimous (except for 1 vote) support for the Afganistan war in both houses. This is part of their desire to create an alternate history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush and Cheny, immediately after 9-11, wanted to attack Iraq.</p>
<p> Luckily, other people in the administration were able to force moderation and restraint on them and investigate who actually attacked us. While no fan of moveon.org, isn't that exactly what they were saying: don't go off half cocked, go after the terroists and not the people of a country they might reside in, get the international community involved. All these things happened, although I doubt moveon.org had anything to do with it. We even tried to get the Taliban to cooperate and only attacked them when they refused to help.</p>
<p>Seriously, I think Rove is trying to conflate Iraq with 9-11 again. He was certainly implying the Democrats are who he meant be "liberals", ignoring the unamimous (except for 1 vote) support for the Afganistan war in both houses. This is part of their desire to create an alternate history.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramblings' Journal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramblings' Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Old Southern saying: &quot;A Hit Dog Will Holler&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

Democrats -- moonbats all -- who tried to downplay, ignore and pooh-pooh the comments of Senator &quot;Dick Dastardly&quot; Durbin (Disingenuous-IL) last week are now up in arms over comments made by White House Advisor Karl Rove this week. The Dems...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Old Southern saying: "A Hit Dog Will Holler"</strong></p>
<p>Democrats -- moonbats all -- who tried to downplay, ignore and pooh-pooh the comments of Senator "Dick Dastardly" Durbin (Disingenuous-IL) last week are now up in arms over comments made by White House Advisor Karl Rove this week. The Dems...</p>
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		<title>By: Point Five</title>
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		<dc:creator>Point Five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 16:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Dems Seek Therapy After Rove&#039;s Comments&lt;/strong&gt;

Phones were ringing off the hook yesterday across Washington, D.C., as Democrat lawmakers desperately sought appointments with their therapists, after Karl Rove&#039;s speech in which he said liberals &quot;saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to pr...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Dems Seek Therapy After Rove's Comments</strong></p>
<p>Phones were ringing off the hook yesterday across Washington, D.C., as Democrat lawmakers desperately sought appointments with their therapists, after Karl Rove's speech in which he said liberals "saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to pr...</p>
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		<title>By: bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line here is Rove has hit on an uncomfortable truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line here is Rove has hit on an uncomfortable truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Lurking Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lurking Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do find it weirdly ironic: 

On the one hand, Dick Durbin&#039;s comments are parsed to make clear that he was not comparing US troops to the Soviets, the Khmer Rouge, nor the Nazis. Even if he says that, looking at the US troops&#039; actions, they could well be attributed to acts of those other regimes. No comparison, no equivalency here. 

On the other hand, Karl Rove says, &quot;No more need be said about the motives of liberals,&quot; and the same people who say that Durbin&#039;s meaning is &lt;strong&gt;clear&lt;/strong&gt; are claiming that Rove &lt;em&gt;meant&lt;/em&gt; that liberals are traitors.

And here I am, thinking words have meaning....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do find it weirdly ironic: </p>
<p>On the one hand, Dick Durbin's comments are parsed to make clear that he was not comparing US troops to the Soviets, the Khmer Rouge, nor the Nazis. Even if he says that, looking at the US troops' actions, they could well be attributed to acts of those other regimes. No comparison, no equivalency here. </p>
<p>On the other hand, Karl Rove says, "No more need be said about the motives of liberals," and the same people who say that Durbin's meaning is <strong>clear</strong> are claiming that Rove <em>meant</em> that liberals are traitors.</p>
<p>And here I am, thinking words have meaning....</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, disagreement does not equate treason. However the choice of language used to criticize the policy and really, the President, steps way over the line.  
We always hear from the left about the right to free speech, and about dissent being patriotic, but if you really support our troops, speak carefully, respecfully and with forethought.  We see to much of &quot;I can say whatever I want because it makes a good soundbite on the nightly news&quot;.  The fact is WE are at war, whether an individual thinks we should be or not. 
Nobody is saying that the Dems WANT harm to come to our troops.  Their words DO however often bring harm to our troops.  They need to stop, take a deep breath, and think about what the hell they&#039;re saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, disagreement does not equate treason. However the choice of language used to criticize the policy and really, the President, steps way over the line.<br />
We always hear from the left about the right to free speech, and about dissent being patriotic, but if you really support our troops, speak carefully, respecfully and with forethought.  We see to much of "I can say whatever I want because it makes a good soundbite on the nightly news".  The fact is WE are at war, whether an individual thinks we should be or not.<br />
Nobody is saying that the Dems WANT harm to come to our troops.  Their words DO however often bring harm to our troops.  They need to stop, take a deep breath, and think about what the hell they're saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 04:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

The comparison with Dean is apt; sort of the political equivalent of a pub name-calling episode, as I see it.  

That being said, I&#039;m amazed at how many conservatives (or at least the ones who comment on blogs) somehow equate a disagreement with Bush admin. foreign policy with treason or weakness.  I suppose it&#039;s easier to tar all liberals with the Michael Moore/Moveon brush than to engage them in substantive argument.

Everybody that I know on both the left and right is deeply interested in preserving our national security by winning the War on Terror.  Terrorists do not discriminate based on ideological affiliation.  It is clear by now that nobody knows exactly what to do thus disagreement and debate are vital to our national interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>The comparison with Dean is apt; sort of the political equivalent of a pub name-calling episode, as I see it.  </p>
<p>That being said, I'm amazed at how many conservatives (or at least the ones who comment on blogs) somehow equate a disagreement with Bush admin. foreign policy with treason or weakness.  I suppose it's easier to tar all liberals with the Michael Moore/Moveon brush than to engage them in substantive argument.</p>
<p>Everybody that I know on both the left and right is deeply interested in preserving our national security by winning the War on Terror.  Terrorists do not discriminate based on ideological affiliation.  It is clear by now that nobody knows exactly what to do thus disagreement and debate are vital to our national interest.</p>
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		<title>By: jami</title>
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		<dc:creator>jami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rove should resign, and if he doesn&#039;t it shouldn&#039;t be because we didn&#039;t say anything:
http://www.petitiononline.com/fireturd/petition.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rove should resign, and if he doesn't it shouldn't be because we didn't say anything:<br />
<a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/fireturd/petition.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.petitiononline.com/fireturd/petition.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotta say it is amusing that the liberals seem more bent out of shape over Rove&#039;s tossing of red meat to the party faithful than they are about a legitimate undermining of our Constitutional rights--the right to property.  Apparently nobody seems to mind when the SCOTUS eviscerates the 5th Amendment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta say it is amusing that the liberals seem more bent out of shape over Rove's tossing of red meat to the party faithful than they are about a legitimate undermining of our Constitutional rights--the right to property.  Apparently nobody seems to mind when the SCOTUS eviscerates the 5th Amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: The Galvin Opinion</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Galvin Opinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;CERTAIN SENATORS FESS UP TO BEING LIBERALS&lt;/strong&gt;

Finding a senator who would admit to being a liberal is harder than trying to capture the Loch Ness Monster...But by reacting so passionately to Rove, these senators reveal to all of us that his words cut close to the bone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>CERTAIN SENATORS FESS UP TO BEING LIBERALS</strong></p>
<p>Finding a senator who would admit to being a liberal is harder than trying to capture the Loch Ness Monster...But by reacting so passionately to Rove, these senators reveal to all of us that his words cut close to the bone.</p>
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		<title>By: Cadillac Tight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cadillac Tight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Dang, people&lt;/strong&gt;

So I take a day off to finish up a website project, and Karl Rove kicks off a firestorm in the &#039;sphere. I saw that story last night, and I kind of figured that the usual suspects, along with the...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Dang, people</strong></p>
<p>So I take a day off to finish up a website project, and Karl Rove kicks off a firestorm in the 'sphere. I saw that story last night, and I kind of figured that the usual suspects, along with the...</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

I presume that you got the very same spam from Peter Daou that I got (and that almost assuredly a thousand other bloggers got.)

But I &lt;em&gt;am&lt;/em&gt; surprised that you bothered to quote it, particularly his passing reference to the latest variation of the &quot;chickenhawk&quot; argument.  By that sort of logic, one could just as easily call those on the anti-war side of the spectrum &quot;armchair jihadists.&quot;  (I wish I could remember who coined that expression.)

One can justifiably push the right=strong left=weak argument &lt;em&gt;without&lt;/em&gt; being &quot;blithe.&quot;  Indeed, the simple evidence of experience would make it an apt comparison, and one that bears usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>I presume that you got the very same spam from Peter Daou that I got (and that almost assuredly a thousand other bloggers got.)</p>
<p>But I <em>am</em> surprised that you bothered to quote it, particularly his passing reference to the latest variation of the "chickenhawk" argument.  By that sort of logic, one could just as easily call those on the anti-war side of the spectrum "armchair jihadists."  (I wish I could remember who coined that expression.)</p>
<p>One can justifiably push the right=strong left=weak argument <em>without</em> being "blithe."  Indeed, the simple evidence of experience would make it an apt comparison, and one that bears usage.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a little confused: did Rove say that Democrats or liberal were so evil?  From the transcripts it seems that he applied those labels to liberals and did not specify the democratic party.  That sort of logic almost worked for Senator Durbin after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a little confused: did Rove say that Democrats or liberal were so evil?  From the transcripts it seems that he applied those labels to liberals and did not specify the democratic party.  That sort of logic almost worked for Senator Durbin after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Mexico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark in Mexico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;But did he mention Hitler?&lt;/strong&gt;

Karl Rove make a typical political statement and a firestorm breaks out. Well, a firestorm among the Democrats, anyway, which I will admit is more akin to a tempest in a teapot. He said,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>But did he mention Hitler?</strong></p>
<p>Karl Rove make a typical political statement and a firestorm breaks out. Well, a firestorm among the Democrats, anyway, which I will admit is more akin to a tempest in a teapot. He said,</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, even apart from Moore, Reid, Pelosi, and Dean, are you really saying that Dennis Kucinich, Neil Abercrombie, Barbara Lee, Al Sharpton, Marcy Kaptur, Joe Biden, Patty Murray, and John Kerry (your party&#039;s last Presidential nominee IIRC) did not speak for the Democrats after 9/11?  If the shoe fits . . . if not, then not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, even apart from Moore, Reid, Pelosi, and Dean, are you really saying that Dennis Kucinich, Neil Abercrombie, Barbara Lee, Al Sharpton, Marcy Kaptur, Joe Biden, Patty Murray, and John Kerry (your party's last Presidential nominee IIRC) did not speak for the Democrats after 9/11?  If the shoe fits . . . if not, then not.</p>
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