Comments on: Are We Overselling Iraqi Kurdistan?

By: Steve Schippert

Steve Schippert — Tue, 08 May 2007 01:58:22 +0000

Michael, I'd suggest a Kurdish push for a unified Kurdistan, for one, which would include not insignificant swaths of both Turkey and Iran proper.

At the root of it, this is why both Iran and Turkey have conducted limited strikes against positions in northern Iraq. Both are already coordinating operations, sharing intelligence and cooperating. What they fear from northern Iraq most is the emboldening and expansion of Kurdish separatist groups on their own soil.

If Turkey or Iran sense a coming push, there will be pre-emptive push-back.

By: Michael

Michael — Tue, 08 May 2007 01:47:08 +0000

Not having a presence there would embolden Turkey and Iran to tag-team

I can't think of anything either side would like less in the region, and that includes a permanent US presence.

By: Dave Schuler

Dave Schuler — Tue, 08 May 2007 00:56:50 +0000

Thanks, Steve. I'll do that.

I've contacted a dozen or more Kurdish specialists around the world but no one has responded yet.

By: Steve Schippert

Steve Schippert — Mon, 07 May 2007 22:17:24 +0000

BTW, I'd be more concerned with an outright withdrawal. Who's to say that a northern presence would be in the cards in the current detached-from-reality political environment?

Not having a presence there would embolden Turkey and Iran to tag-team virtually unobstructed (save for the Kurdish Peshmerga) into northern Iraq rather than the limited tit-for-tats that have gone on for the past couple of years.

Any time you have a 'permanent' US presence anywhere, the impetus that created the need was already a choice between bad and worse. Pick your poison.

By: Steve Schippert

Steve Schippert — Mon, 07 May 2007 22:11:26 +0000

Try Nimrod Raphaeli at MEMRI. Iraqi-born Israeli. Don't have his direct email, but can most likely dig it up if need be. You can also send a request to MEMRI's general e-mail address MEMRI -at- MEMRI.org.

Let me know, Dave. I can get a more direct line.

Cheers.

By: Dave Schuler

Dave Schuler — Mon, 07 May 2007 19:05:12 +0000

I like and respect Bill Roggio and Michael Totten. Neither one speaks either Arabic or Kurdish nor do they have expertise on Iraqi Kurdistan beyond what they've seen with their eyes and what others have told them. I don't think that's enough to arrive at a reasonable understanding of what's going on there.

By: brainy435

brainy435 — Mon, 07 May 2007 18:00:27 +0000

I don't have time to double-check this right now, but I think Bill Roggio and Michael Totten have posted a good deal about Iraqi Kurds.

By: Anderson

Anderson — Mon, 07 May 2007 16:00:00 +0000

My guess is that the Turks would be more reluctant to deal with cross-border incursions by Kurdish nationalists who are being actively protected by American forces. Ah. But I don't see us "actively protecting" them, in the sense of shooting any Turks. However, I think you're right in that the mere presence of U.S. troops would make Turkey fearful of an incident.

By: Tlaloc

Tlaloc — Mon, 07 May 2007 15:49:32 +0000

The biggest problem with our current posture, i.e. clinging to Iraqi kurdistan like it was the last life preserver on the lusitania, is that we are being utterly hypocritical. We supposedly are at "war" with terror. And with countries that support terror. Unless of course we need them, then terrorists are just fine. It's the exact same "do as we say, not as we do" BS that has been the sum total of our foreign policy for the last 60 years at least.

By: JohnG

JohnG — Mon, 07 May 2007 15:12:28 +0000

I guess in burgeoning democracies, the right to vote and rule by law is only valid if your motivation is pure ideological power hunger, like here in the US.

By: Dave Schuler

Dave Schuler — Mon, 07 May 2007 14:41:55 +0000

Sure. The Turkish military is quite capable of dealing with cross-border incursions by Kurdish nationalists. Indeed, I recently read an interview with a Kurdish minister in the Iraqi government to exactly that effect. My guess is that the Turks would be more reluctant to deal with cross-border incursions by Kurdish nationalists who are being actively protected by American forces. If we don't protect Kurds from the Turks, I further speculate that we'll wear out our welcome in Iraqi Kurdistan pretty quickly. What will we do? If we've withdrawn our troops to Iraqi Kurdistan we'll be on the horns of a dilemma: either protect the bases being used by Kurds for raids against the Turks (which will upset the Turks) or ignore Turkish retalitions (which will upset the Iraqi Kurds). If we butt out of Iraqi Kurdistan, it would maintain the uneasy status quo but I think that's better than the alternative.

By: Anderson

Anderson — Mon, 07 May 2007 14:26:51 +0000

I’m concerned that a major permanent U. S. military presence in Iraqi Kurdistan would tend to destabilize Turkey, not a particularly positive development.

Wish you'd explain. An Iraqi Kurdistan will tend to destabilize Turkey, whether we're there or not. What are we going to *do* there, exactly? Shoot Kurds who cross the border either way? I think not.