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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray:  

Assignment to Germany during peacetime isn&#039;t exactly comparable to deployment to a war zone.  Hell, they send family members along with you. (I know; I went twice with dad and once when I served.)

Since WWII, we have not gone the &quot;for the duration&quot; route.</description>
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<p>Assignment to Germany during peacetime isn't exactly comparable to deployment to a war zone.  Hell, they send family members along with you. (I know; I went twice with dad and once when I served.)</p>
<p>Since WWII, we have not gone the "for the duration" route.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In a new sign of mounting strain from the war in Iraq, the Army has extended the combat tours of about 4,000 soldiers who would otherwise be returning home, defense officials said Monday. The 1st Brigade of 1st Armored Division, which is operating in the vicinity of Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province, will be kept in place for &lt;I&gt;several weeks beyond its scheduled departure&lt;/I&gt;, the officials said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Several weeks!  OMG The Horror, The Horror! 

I am beginning to see a pattern here.  Current deployment in foreign countries is one year, whether that deployment is in active combat areas or not (my nephew was stationed in Kosovo for one year in 2001 and he was NOT in an active combat area). During the cold war I was stationed in Germany for 18 months.  My dad told me that he was in Hawaii for 4 years during WWII, and he was stationed in a chemical weapons battalion (not a combat unit)!  What will happen in the next 20 years, will overseas deployment be reduced to 6 months or less?  

What ever happened to &quot;for the duration of the war&quot;?  Does it make sense to constantly replace experienced troops with those that need 6 months of training before deployment?  Dose it make sense to remove troops that, with their experience, have the best chance of survival in combat areas and replace them with troops that, due to their lack of experience, have a lesser chance of survival?  Can anyone tell me what&#039;s wrong with this picture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In a new sign of mounting strain from the war in Iraq, the Army has extended the combat tours of about 4,000 soldiers who would otherwise be returning home, defense officials said Monday. The 1st Brigade of 1st Armored Division, which is operating in the vicinity of Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province, will be kept in place for <i>several weeks beyond its scheduled departure</i>, the officials said.</p></blockquote>
<p>Several weeks!  OMG The Horror, The Horror! </p>
<p>I am beginning to see a pattern here.  Current deployment in foreign countries is one year, whether that deployment is in active combat areas or not (my nephew was stationed in Kosovo for one year in 2001 and he was NOT in an active combat area). During the cold war I was stationed in Germany for 18 months.  My dad told me that he was in Hawaii for 4 years during WWII, and he was stationed in a chemical weapons battalion (not a combat unit)!  What will happen in the next 20 years, will overseas deployment be reduced to 6 months or less?  </p>
<p>What ever happened to "for the duration of the war"?  Does it make sense to constantly replace experienced troops with those that need 6 months of training before deployment?  Dose it make sense to remove troops that, with their experience, have the best chance of survival in combat areas and replace them with troops that, due to their lack of experience, have a lesser chance of survival?  Can anyone tell me what's wrong with this picture?</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The military is being underfunded?  Nothing new there.  I was in the Army  the mid 80&#039;s and people were complaining then about the military being underfunded.  From my personal experience, when the military says that it is underfunded, it is usually correct to some extent and that is due to that fact that civilians are the ones that set military funding according to their personal considerations and not the consideration of the military&#039;s needs and requirements.  

We also need to realise that if the government funded the military as according to the stated need of the military, our defence budget would be at least triple of what is provided.  When is the last time any group or organizations has claimed that they have received adequate funding from any government, let alone the military?

It&#039;s true that the military is underfunded, but that&#039;s a function of Congress, not the Administration.  Remember that this is America and in America the President purposes, Congress disposes.  Congress sets the budget in America, not the President.  This is stated in the Constitution, is it not?

The Constitution also states that Congress must authorise the use of military force in places like Iraq, which is exactly what happened, and I&#039;m tired of hearing that this is Bush&#039;s war.  It&#039;s not just Bush&#039;s war, it&#039;s Congress&#039;s war too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The military is being underfunded?  Nothing new there.  I was in the Army  the mid 80's and people were complaining then about the military being underfunded.  From my personal experience, when the military says that it is underfunded, it is usually correct to some extent and that is due to that fact that civilians are the ones that set military funding according to their personal considerations and not the consideration of the military's needs and requirements.  </p>
<p>We also need to realise that if the government funded the military as according to the stated need of the military, our defence budget would be at least triple of what is provided.  When is the last time any group or organizations has claimed that they have received adequate funding from any government, let alone the military?</p>
<p>It's true that the military is underfunded, but that's a function of Congress, not the Administration.  Remember that this is America and in America the President purposes, Congress disposes.  Congress sets the budget in America, not the President.  This is stated in the Constitution, is it not?</p>
<p>The Constitution also states that Congress must authorise the use of military force in places like Iraq, which is exactly what happened, and I'm tired of hearing that this is Bush's war.  It's not just Bush's war, it's Congress's war too!</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the Services do NOT fight the wars, though the USAF likes to pretend they do at times, see SAC&lt;/blockquote&gt;

  Ah....but SAC was a &quot;Specified Command,&quot; which was a USAF component command AND a Combatant Command.  When the Cold War ended, SAC and the Specified Commands went away and now all the combatant commands are &quot;joint&quot; Unified Commands.  

  DC Loser - ex-SAC Trained Killer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the Services do NOT fight the wars, though the USAF likes to pretend they do at times, see SAC</p></blockquote>
<p>  Ah....but SAC was a "Specified Command," which was a USAF component command AND a Combatant Command.  When the Cold War ended, SAC and the Specified Commands went away and now all the combatant commands are "joint" Unified Commands.  </p>
<p>  DC Loser - ex-SAC Trained Killer</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite so, Richard. Like any officer, Schoomaker has a responsibility to competently advise his superiors. He can argue all he wants, but when the boss makes a decision, he&#039;s supposed to salute and follow orders.

BUT, if he feels strongly enough that those orders are wrong (illegal, incompetent, etc.), he can (and has a moral, and sometimes legal, resonsibility to) put his own backside on the line and go &quot;up the chain&quot; to a higher authority. That sounds like what Schoomaker&#039;s doing now - so long as he does it professionally, good on him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite so, Richard. Like any officer, Schoomaker has a responsibility to competently advise his superiors. He can argue all he wants, but when the boss makes a decision, he's supposed to salute and follow orders.</p>
<p>BUT, if he feels strongly enough that those orders are wrong (illegal, incompetent, etc.), he can (and has a moral, and sometimes legal, resonsibility to) put his own backside on the line and go "up the chain" to a higher authority. That sounds like what Schoomaker's doing now - so long as he does it professionally, good on him.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 05:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles Austin - What the CoS did isn&#039;t insubordination. Under Goldwater-Nichols, he is responsible to organize, train, and equip his forces (The Army) to meet the requirements of the Combatent Commanders, who fight the wars (the Services do NOT fight the wars, though the USAF likes to pretend they do at times, see SAC). 

Shinsiki ran into a similar problem. How do you submit a budget to Congress that is obviously bad. Realize the heads of the military branches are in the political game too. Gen. Schoomaker would be ripped apart in Congressional testimony. There is a balance between Civilian control of the military, and blindly obeying orders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles Austin - What the CoS did isn't insubordination. Under Goldwater-Nichols, he is responsible to organize, train, and equip his forces (The Army) to meet the requirements of the Combatent Commanders, who fight the wars (the Services do NOT fight the wars, though the USAF likes to pretend they do at times, see SAC). </p>
<p>Shinsiki ran into a similar problem. How do you submit a budget to Congress that is obviously bad. Realize the heads of the military branches are in the political game too. Gen. Schoomaker would be ripped apart in Congressional testimony. There is a balance between Civilian control of the military, and blindly obeying orders.</p>
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		<title>By: Consul-At-Arms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Consul-At-Arms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting to see the Army CoS interpose himself between Sec. Rumsfeld and Congress.

I&#039;ve linked to you &lt;a href=&quot;http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2006/09/re-army-budget-billions-short.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting to see the Army CoS interpose himself between Sec. Rumsfeld and Congress.</p>
<p>I've linked to you <a href="http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2006/09/re-army-budget-billions-short.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: The Florida Masochist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Florida Masochist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;No way to run a War or Army Part II...&lt;/strong&gt;

Right now TFM is reading Thomas Ricks&#039; Fiasco. Before anyone writes this book off as liberal propaganda, let me note that Bing West gave Fiasco an excellent review for the National Review of all publications.

What I&#039;m saying is this war looks more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>No way to run a War or Army Part II...</strong></p>
<p>Right now TFM is reading Thomas Ricks' Fiasco. Before anyone writes this book off as liberal propaganda, let me note that Bing West gave Fiasco an excellent review for the National Review of all publications.</p>
<p>What I'm saying is this war looks more...</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still short on the reading comprehension, Anderson.

&lt;blockquote&gt;But in recent budget negotiations, Army officials argued that the service&#039;s EXPANDING GLOBAL ROLE in the U.S.-declared WAR ON TERRORISM — outlined in strategic plans issued this year — as well as fast-growing personnel and equipment costs tied to the Iraq war, have put intense pressure on its normal budget.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;That only liberal queers count the cost of liberty?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would say you have to first determine if the current action contributes to liberty, but if the shoe fits...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still short on the reading comprehension, Anderson.</p>
<blockquote><p>But in recent budget negotiations, Army officials argued that the service's EXPANDING GLOBAL ROLE in the U.S.-declared WAR ON TERRORISM — outlined in strategic plans issued this year — as well as fast-growing personnel and equipment costs tied to the Iraq war, have put intense pressure on its normal budget.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>That only liberal queers count the cost of liberty?</p></blockquote>
<p>I would say you have to first determine if the current action contributes to liberty, but if the shoe fits...</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is Congresses policy to fund the war through “emergency spending process”. The first year the Bush administration tried to put an estimate of what they thought they would need in the annual budget but Congress said no way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is Congresses policy to fund the war through “emergency spending process”. The first year the Bush administration tried to put an estimate of what they thought they would need in the annual budget but Congress said no way.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t the Army still frown upon insubordination, especially by senior officers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn't the Army still frown upon insubordination, especially by senior officers?</p>
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		<title>By: SFC SKI</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFC SKI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I prepare for  a few more months in Iraq due to our extension, my heart is calmed by  the fact that Congress will be working diligently to dump the pork out of the defense budget so it will pass, and that budget will reflect the costs of fighting this war, as well as the cost that keep the services for spouses and children open at our home base.  I am glad to see they&#039;ll also be using foresight and funding the Veteran&#039;s Administration program&#039;s to help wounded veterans.

What do you mean they&#039;ve passed these things off for a lame duck session because they are too busy with partisan bickering and getting reelected?

We get the politicians we deserve, just register and vote for whoever it is that might accomplish more than posing and promises.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I prepare for  a few more months in Iraq due to our extension, my heart is calmed by  the fact that Congress will be working diligently to dump the pork out of the defense budget so it will pass, and that budget will reflect the costs of fighting this war, as well as the cost that keep the services for spouses and children open at our home base.  I am glad to see they'll also be using foresight and funding the Veteran's Administration program's to help wounded veterans.</p>
<p>What do you mean they've passed these things off for a lame duck session because they are too busy with partisan bickering and getting reelected?</p>
<p>We get the politicians we deserve, just register and vote for whoever it is that might accomplish more than posing and promises.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a boring thread.  Where&#039;s one of the usual suspects to tell us that the liberal media got Schoomaker&#039;s words wrong?  That only liberal queers count the cost of liberty?  Come ON, guys!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a boring thread.  Where's one of the usual suspects to tell us that the liberal media got Schoomaker's words wrong?  That only liberal queers count the cost of liberty?  Come ON, guys!</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting that Schoonmaker, Rummy&#039;s hand picked successor to Gen Shinseki, was supposed to be his poster child for Defense Transformation at HQDA, because of his special ops background.  He&#039;s had to defend OSD&#039;s miserly budgeting for military operations the last three years, but the Army must be really breaking down with all the pressures on equipment O&amp;M to force Schoonmaker to make this very drastic move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that Schoonmaker, Rummy's hand picked successor to Gen Shinseki, was supposed to be his poster child for Defense Transformation at HQDA, because of his special ops background.  He's had to defend OSD's miserly budgeting for military operations the last three years, but the Army must be really breaking down with all the pressures on equipment O&amp;M to force Schoonmaker to make this very drastic move.</p>
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		<title>By: madmatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>madmatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would the administration want to honestly budget for the war...can you imagine what that would do to the defecit figures...another 500 billin dollars sure doesn&#039;t scream fiscal sanity to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would the administration want to honestly budget for the war...can you imagine what that would do to the defecit figures...another 500 billin dollars sure doesn't scream fiscal sanity to me.</p>
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