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		<title>By: Consul-At-Arms</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/army_combat_uniform_getting_mixed_reviews/comment-page-1/#comment-110238</link>
		<dc:creator>Consul-At-Arms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IIRC, the ACU isn&#039;t that much more costly than the BDUs.

Sure, there&#039;s a lot of &quot;ash and trash&quot; missions that don&#039;t involve strictly tactical training, but is that enough to justify fielding a complete uniform issue?

Today&#039;s Army is very much a combat experienced Army and the longer the fight goes on in places like Afghanistan and Iraq, the more the units&#039; leadership will continue to demand and re-emphasis realistic tactical training back in &quot;garrison.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IIRC, the ACU isn't that much more costly than the BDUs.</p>
<p>Sure, there's a lot of "ash and trash" missions that don't involve strictly tactical training, but is that enough to justify fielding a complete uniform issue?</p>
<p>Today's Army is very much a combat experienced Army and the longer the fight goes on in places like Afghanistan and Iraq, the more the units' leadership will continue to demand and re-emphasis realistic tactical training back in "garrison."</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C-A-A:  &lt;em&gt;I have to weigh in on the basis of “train as you fight.”&lt;/em&gt;

But you&#039;re not training in garrison in any meaningful sense of the word.  It&#039;s motor pool duty, admin stuff, taking classes, and whatnot.  Wearing the ACUs doing that stuff is no big deal, really, but it&#039;s a very expensive uniform and it seems silly to wear it out and cause it to fade with repeated laundering when you&#039;re not in a tactical environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C-A-A:  <em>I have to weigh in on the basis of “train as you fight.”</em></p>
<p>But you're not training in garrison in any meaningful sense of the word.  It's motor pool duty, admin stuff, taking classes, and whatnot.  Wearing the ACUs doing that stuff is no big deal, really, but it's a very expensive uniform and it seems silly to wear it out and cause it to fade with repeated laundering when you're not in a tactical environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Consul-At-Arms</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/army_combat_uniform_getting_mixed_reviews/comment-page-1/#comment-110166</link>
		<dc:creator>Consul-At-Arms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;em&gt;Personally, I’d prefer that the Army go to something cheap and easy to maintain, whether variant on the old green fatigues or something else, for garrison and keep the high tech cammies for the field.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

I have to weigh in on the basis of &quot;train as you fight.&quot;  Let&#039;s wear the same/similar uniform in garrison (with common-sense modifications as needed) as in the field.  With Service and Dress uniform variants of the old Army Blue uniforms worn in hindquarters jobs (like the Pentagon) and for ceremonials and such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"<em>Personally, I&rsquo;d prefer that the Army go to something cheap and easy to maintain, whether variant on the old green fatigues or something else, for garrison and keep the high tech cammies for the field.</em>"</p>
<p>I have to weigh in on the basis of "train as you fight."  Let's wear the same/similar uniform in garrison (with common-sense modifications as needed) as in the field.  With Service and Dress uniform variants of the old Army Blue uniforms worn in hindquarters jobs (like the Pentagon) and for ceremonials and such.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LJD
That’s funny. I wouldn’t be against coming out with a work uniform that can be use for personnel that have little chance of not needing the BDU and is more functional then the class Bs.  However, I don’t see that happening because of the Army’s desire for uniformity and not wanting to upset someone for being left out or whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LJD<br />
That&rsquo;s funny. I wouldn&rsquo;t be against coming out with a work uniform that can be use for personnel that have little chance of not needing the BDU and is more functional then the class Bs.  However, I don&rsquo;t see that happening because of the Army&rsquo;s desire for uniformity and not wanting to upset someone for being left out or whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne

Consider this:

Maternity BDU (Battle Dress Uniform)

That one always cracked me up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne</p>
<p>Consider this:</p>
<p>Maternity BDU (Battle Dress Uniform)</p>
<p>That one always cracked me up!</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn’t care less about the dress uniforms as long as it look halfway decent.

I’m am concern about the battle dress uniforms. We should use whatever works best in the field. I doubt trying to get one that works in all environments is a good idea since it will most likely in up being one that doesn’t work well at all. For most in Army, it doesn’t matter since they don’t spend much time in the field but the field operations should be the only concern when it comes to the design. Unfortunately, most of the decisions are made by REMF and some of them are more concern about appearance then anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&rsquo;t care less about the dress uniforms as long as it look halfway decent.</p>
<p>I&rsquo;m am concern about the battle dress uniforms. We should use whatever works best in the field. I doubt trying to get one that works in all environments is a good idea since it will most likely in up being one that doesn&rsquo;t work well at all. For most in Army, it doesn&rsquo;t matter since they don&rsquo;t spend much time in the field but the field operations should be the only concern when it comes to the design. Unfortunately, most of the decisions are made by REMF and some of them are more concern about appearance then anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Consul-At-Arms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Consul-At-Arms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, Blues just look better as well as being the traditional color for the Army uniform since Revolutionary times.

Anything but that gawdawful polyester green leisure suit they foisted on us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, Blues just look better as well as being the traditional color for the Army uniform since Revolutionary times.</p>
<p>Anything but that gawdawful polyester green leisure suit they foisted on us.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget that aside from looking cool, there is historic significance to the Army Blue uniform.

On the ACU, the color is not all that sucks.  Complaints from soldiers include velcro closures, and much less durability than the BDU.

On the positive, not having to spit polish boots, or press a uniform that says &quot;DO NOT IRON&quot; right on the tag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't forget that aside from looking cool, there is historic significance to the Army Blue uniform.</p>
<p>On the ACU, the color is not all that sucks.  Complaints from soldiers include velcro closures, and much less durability than the BDU.</p>
<p>On the positive, not having to spit polish boots, or press a uniform that says "DO NOT IRON" right on the tag.</p>
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		<title>By: Consul-At-Arms</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/army_combat_uniform_getting_mixed_reviews/comment-page-1/#comment-110093</link>
		<dc:creator>Consul-At-Arms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the mention.  I&#039;ve linked to you &lt;a href=&quot;http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2007/01/re-army-combat-uniform-getting-mixed.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

As &lt;a href=&quot;http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2007/01/re-army-combat-uniform-getting-mixed.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;noted in my post&lt;/a&gt;, the announcement you&#039;ve quoted includes an error that was made at the time.

The Army Service Uniform doesn&#039;t eliminate the Army White Mess uniform but rather the Army White Service and Army White Dress uniforms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the mention.  I've linked to you <a href="http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2007/01/re-army-combat-uniform-getting-mixed.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>As <a href="http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2007/01/re-army-combat-uniform-getting-mixed.html" rel="nofollow">noted in my post</a>, the announcement you've quoted includes an error that was made at the time.</p>
<p>The Army Service Uniform doesn't eliminate the Army White Mess uniform but rather the Army White Service and Army White Dress uniforms.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This must be the &quot;new uniform&quot; season, since the Navy recently announced new khaki/black service uniforms for E-6 and below, as well as the new E-1 to O-10 working uniform, which are following the digital cammie fatigue pattern of the other services.

It seems like there&#039;s at least one more change in the works for the Navy, too, but being so long retired from the Navy, I don&#039;t keep up with all the changes very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This must be the "new uniform" season, since the Navy recently announced new khaki/black service uniforms for E-6 and below, as well as the new E-1 to O-10 working uniform, which are following the digital cammie fatigue pattern of the other services.</p>
<p>It seems like there's at least one more change in the works for the Navy, too, but being so long retired from the Navy, I don't keep up with all the changes very well.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the AF is about to debut its own new outfits too. Actually, they were supposed to be out long ago - the Af&#039;s efforts (I believe) started right after the Marines&#039; re-did theirs, and before the Army started their efforts. But the AF&#039;s first stab sucked so horridly &amp; got such loud push-back from all levels, that they had to go back to the drawing board. I hope they&#039;ve had the sense to learn lessons from the Army &amp; Marines on this one...

And no offense to the Army (&#039;cause the AF is no fashion plate, I know), but every time I see someone walking around in the new fatigues, the first thought in my head is &quot;hey, that guy&#039;s wearing pajamas&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the AF is about to debut its own new outfits too. Actually, they were supposed to be out long ago - the Af's efforts (I believe) started right after the Marines' re-did theirs, and before the Army started their efforts. But the AF's first stab sucked so horridly &amp; got such loud push-back from all levels, that they had to go back to the drawing board. I hope they've had the sense to learn lessons from the Army &amp; Marines on this one...</p>
<p>And no offense to the Army ('cause the AF is no fashion plate, I know), but every time I see someone walking around in the new fatigues, the first thought in my head is "hey, that guy's wearing pajamas".</p>
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		<title>By: Consul-At-Arms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Consul-At-Arms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the Army Green uniforms (along with the Army White uniform) are on their way out already, to be replaced with a modified Army Blue uniform called the &quot;Army Service Uniform&quot; or ASU.

Personally, while the DCU and BDU versions weren&#039;t perfect, they could have been improved rather than scrapped for the ACU pattern which seems too much of a compromise; neither green enough for temperate and tropics nor khaki/sand enough for most Middle East environments.

(Disclaimer:  During the period of my military service, I have worn fatigues, several generations of BDUs and DCUs.  Plus Army Blue, Army Blue Mess and various VTCC cadet uniforms.)

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the Army Green uniforms (along with the Army White uniform) are on their way out already, to be replaced with a modified Army Blue uniform called the "Army Service Uniform" or ASU.</p>
<p>Personally, while the DCU and BDU versions weren't perfect, they could have been improved rather than scrapped for the ACU pattern which seems too much of a compromise; neither green enough for temperate and tropics nor khaki/sand enough for most Middle East environments.</p>
<p>(Disclaimer:  During the period of my military service, I have worn fatigues, several generations of BDUs and DCUs.  Plus Army Blue, Army Blue Mess and various VTCC cadet uniforms.)</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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