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		<title>By: Gollum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gollum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 00:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My answer: to justify stealth bombers. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
That might - - might, though I don&#039;t think so - - explain the request in and of itself, but not the &quot;emergency.&quot;  I agree with Dave that we won&#039;t be bombing Iran anytime soon, but it seems to me that this is a purposefully public step towards developing a more robust &quot;Plan B.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My answer: to justify stealth bombers. </p></blockquote>
<p>That might - - might, though I don't think so - - explain the request in and of itself, but not the "emergency."  I agree with Dave that we won't be bombing Iran anytime soon, but it seems to me that this is a purposefully public step towards developing a more robust "Plan B."</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Anyone who thinks making a nuclear bomb is as simple as getting some uranium, and slapping it together is deluded.&lt;/blockquote&gt;That&#039;s pretty much how &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy#Basic_weapon_design&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Little Boy&lt;/a&gt; worked.  Two pieces of enriched Uranium, quickly put together to form a sphere of critical mass.
&lt;blockquote&gt;First one must create an isotope of uranium named U-235 which is unstable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;You don&#039;t actually create U-235, you remove as much U-238 as possible from natural uranium.  U-235 has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium-235&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;half-life of 700 Million years&lt;/a&gt;, so it is relatively stable.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The US spent billions of dollars and countless man-hours learning how to make a fusion device.&lt;/blockquote&gt;And most of that knowledge is now publicly available.  See this &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_uranium#Methods&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;list of Uranium enrichment methods&lt;/a&gt;. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;I seriously doubt the Iranians have that technology yet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Iran already has a facility for enriching uranium with &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_centrifuge&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gas centrifuges&lt;/a&gt;, a more efficient process that the USA is just now starting to use.

James: Sorry for all the links, but I wanted to cite whatever seemed relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Anyone who thinks making a nuclear bomb is as simple as getting some uranium, and slapping it together is deluded.</p></blockquote>
<p>That's pretty much how <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy#Basic_weapon_design" rel="nofollow">Little Boy</a> worked.  Two pieces of enriched Uranium, quickly put together to form a sphere of critical mass.</p>
<blockquote><p>First one must create an isotope of uranium named U-235 which is unstable.</p></blockquote>
<p>You don't actually create U-235, you remove as much U-238 as possible from natural uranium.  U-235 has a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium-235" rel="nofollow">half-life of 700 Million years</a>, so it is relatively stable.</p>
<blockquote><p>The US spent billions of dollars and countless man-hours learning how to make a fusion device.</p></blockquote>
<p>And most of that knowledge is now publicly available.  See this <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_uranium#Methods" rel="nofollow">list of Uranium enrichment methods</a>. </p>
<blockquote><p>I seriously doubt the Iranians have that technology yet.</p></blockquote>
<p>Iran already has a facility for enriching uranium with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_centrifuge" rel="nofollow">gas centrifuges</a>, a more efficient process that the USA is just now starting to use.</p>
<p>James: Sorry for all the links, but I wanted to cite whatever seemed relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Dodd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;And you put in an emergency funding request because you want to bomb quickly.&lt;/em&gt;

Per Mr. Hayden&#039;s cogent observation, this assertion makes no sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>And you put in an emergency funding request because you want to bomb quickly.</em></p>
<p>Per Mr. Hayden's cogent observation, this assertion makes no sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;U.S. announces sanctions against Iran...&lt;/strong&gt;

 WASHINGTON &#124; The Bush administration plans to roll out an unprecedented package of unilateral sanct...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>U.S. announces sanctions against Iran...</strong></p>
<p> WASHINGTON | The Bush administration plans to roll out an unprecedented package of unilateral sanct...</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who thinks making a nuclear bomb is as simple as getting some uranium, and slapping it together is deluded.  First one must create an isotope of uranium named U-235 which is unstable.  Kind of like the writer who thinks it Iran knows how to make a n-bomb.  Little Boy was a uranium device utilizing U-235, not to be confused with U-238 which is stable.  The US spent billions of dollars and countless man-hours learning how to make a fusion device.  I seriously doubt the Iranians have that technology yet.  Though they seem to be seeking it in somewhat of a hurry.  For those who think it will be alright if we just leave Iran alone.  I refer you to the attitude most of the world had toward the rise of Hitler.  Even after he wrote a book outlining his plan.  Michael, just review all of what the current President of Iran has had to say.  Pay particular attention to his plans for the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who thinks making a nuclear bomb is as simple as getting some uranium, and slapping it together is deluded.  First one must create an isotope of uranium named U-235 which is unstable.  Kind of like the writer who thinks it Iran knows how to make a n-bomb.  Little Boy was a uranium device utilizing U-235, not to be confused with U-238 which is stable.  The US spent billions of dollars and countless man-hours learning how to make a fusion device.  I seriously doubt the Iranians have that technology yet.  Though they seem to be seeking it in somewhat of a hurry.  For those who think it will be alright if we just leave Iran alone.  I refer you to the attitude most of the world had toward the rise of Hitler.  Even after he wrote a book outlining his plan.  Michael, just review all of what the current President of Iran has had to say.  Pay particular attention to his plans for the world.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curiouser and curiouser. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/dshtw.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; says the MOP is designed for use by the B-52 and B-2. So this may be nothing more that seeking funds for the second carrier source. Of course, the pentagon may have fibbed about the &quot;urgency&quot; for putting this in the emergency funding bill. Of course if that was the case, it would be the first example of such chicanery in Washington.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curiouser and curiouser. <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/dshtw.htm" rel="nofollow">This</a> says the MOP is designed for use by the B-52 and B-2. So this may be nothing more that seeking funds for the second carrier source. Of course, the pentagon may have fibbed about the "urgency" for putting this in the emergency funding bill. Of course if that was the case, it would be the first example of such chicanery in Washington.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It was World War THREE. And that is what we are going to get if Ahmed Obama-Nejad attains the knowledge to build a nuclear bomb.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The funny thing is that they already know _how_ to build a nuclear bomb.  It turns out that fission bombs are not very complex, Uranium bombs in particular require nothing more than the Uranium itself.  They also know _how_ to obtain and purify the fission materials.  

The only thing keeping Iran from having a bomb right now is logistics: getting everything they need, putting it together, and cleaning the fuel.    Like everything, their options are fast, good, and cheap (pick any two).  If you skimp on quality, you get a fizzle like the DPRK&#039;s test, and with all of Ahmedinijad&#039;s spending on keeping the Iranian poor happy with him, plus the current international attention to Iran&#039;s nuclear projects, he probably can&#039;t divert a large amount of money to it right away, so they&#039;re probably taking the slow good+cheap route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It was World War THREE. And that is what we are going to get if Ahmed Obama-Nejad attains the knowledge to build a nuclear bomb.</p></blockquote>
<p>The funny thing is that they already know _how_ to build a nuclear bomb.  It turns out that fission bombs are not very complex, Uranium bombs in particular require nothing more than the Uranium itself.  They also know _how_ to obtain and purify the fission materials.  </p>
<p>The only thing keeping Iran from having a bomb right now is logistics: getting everything they need, putting it together, and cleaning the fuel.    Like everything, their options are fast, good, and cheap (pick any two).  If you skimp on quality, you get a fizzle like the DPRK's test, and with all of Ahmedinijad's spending on keeping the Iranian poor happy with him, plus the current international attention to Iran's nuclear projects, he probably can't divert a large amount of money to it right away, so they're probably taking the slow good+cheap route.</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;(who himself just blathered on about WWII with respect to Iran).  So, please forgive those of us who are a little jumpy about the administration&#039;s intentions with respect to &quot;Axis-of-Evil&quot; club member Iran, whether now or anytime until January 2009.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Typical liberal distorting the facts.  Bush said NOTHING about &quot;WWII.&quot;  

It was World War THREE.  And that is what we are going to get if Ahmed Obama-Nejad attains the knowledge to build a nuclear bomb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(who himself just blathered on about WWII with respect to Iran).  So, please forgive those of us who are a little jumpy about the administration's intentions with respect to "Axis-of-Evil" club member Iran, whether now or anytime until January 2009.</p></blockquote>
<p>Typical liberal distorting the facts.  Bush said NOTHING about "WWII."  </p>
<p>It was World War THREE.  And that is what we are going to get if Ahmed Obama-Nejad attains the knowledge to build a nuclear bomb.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They’re dealing with incredibly limited options.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Can someone again remind me why doing nothing in Iran is bad for us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They&rsquo;re dealing with incredibly limited options.</p></blockquote>
<p>Can someone again remind me why doing nothing in Iran is bad for us?</p>
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		<title>By: Ugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The first group is the “Bomb Iran Now” club, whose members will take the Administration’s reluctance to bomb as yet another sign of the Administration’s stupidity and fecklessness.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

the &quot;bomb iran now&quot; club happens to include the sitting vice president, his advisors, and people like Norman Podhoretz who recently had a heart to heart with POTUS (who himself just blathered on about WWII with respect to Iran).  So, please forgive those of us who are a little jumpy about the administration&#039;s intentions with respect to &quot;Axis-of-Evil&quot; club member Iran, whether now or anytime until January 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The first group is the “Bomb Iran Now” club, whose members will take the Administration&rsquo;s reluctance to bomb as yet another sign of the Administration&rsquo;s stupidity and fecklessness.</p></blockquote>
<p>the "bomb iran now" club happens to include the sitting vice president, his advisors, and people like Norman Podhoretz who recently had a heart to heart with POTUS (who himself just blathered on about WWII with respect to Iran).  So, please forgive those of us who are a little jumpy about the administration's intentions with respect to "Axis-of-Evil" club member Iran, whether now or anytime until January 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a question, but what delivery vehicles are there for the new MOP? Is the current deliver to push them out the back of a C-130 (I think it was something like that for the MOAB)?

Could this be as simple as wanting to put this on the newest weapons platform as opposed to say the B-52 which are being flown by the grandsons of the original pilots of the plane?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a question, but what delivery vehicles are there for the new MOP? Is the current deliver to push them out the back of a C-130 (I think it was something like that for the MOAB)?</p>
<p>Could this be as simple as wanting to put this on the newest weapons platform as opposed to say the B-52 which are being flown by the grandsons of the original pilots of the plane?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My answer: to justify stealth bombers. Their utility today is significantly less than it was in the Cold War days—they’re an artifact of the belief that we’ll face a high-tech superpower adversary. But they still have their exponents who are looking around for justifications for having more of them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Heh.  I&#039;m reminded of a friend of mine in college who was absolutely convinced that the reason the U.S. spent so much money on ridiculously high-tech military equipment is because the Pentagon had incontrovertible evidence of a hostile E.T. threat.

What&#039;s more amazing is that he believed this &lt;i&gt;even when sober&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My answer: to justify stealth bombers. Their utility today is significantly less than it was in the Cold War days—they&rsquo;re an artifact of the belief that we&rsquo;ll face a high-tech superpower adversary. But they still have their exponents who are looking around for justifications for having more of them.</p></blockquote>
<p>Heh.  I'm reminded of a friend of mine in college who was absolutely convinced that the reason the U.S. spent so much money on ridiculously high-tech military equipment is because the Pentagon had incontrovertible evidence of a hostile E.T. threat.</p>
<p>What's more amazing is that he believed this <i>even when sober</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Murcek</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Murcek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stealth delivery systems are not merely &quot;artifacts&quot; of the cold war.  Current day high tech sellers of anti-aircraft radar and missiles can sell to anyone, hence the need for stealth.  Syria had very high tech Russian made gear in place recently, not that it helped much when the IAF came calling...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stealth delivery systems are not merely "artifacts" of the cold war.  Current day high tech sellers of anti-aircraft radar and missiles can sell to anyone, hence the need for stealth.  Syria had very high tech Russian made gear in place recently, not that it helped much when the IAF came calling...</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That continues to be my sense of the Administration’s thinking on Iran. They’re dealing with incredibly limited options.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

However, the consequence of our limited options could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That continues to be my sense of the Administration&rsquo;s thinking on Iran. They&rsquo;re dealing with incredibly limited options.</p></blockquote>
<p>However, the consequence of our limited options could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.</p>
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