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	<title>Comments on: Biden Dog Breeder: &#8216;It&#8217;s Been Horrific Since December&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Gustopher</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/biden_dog_breeder_its_been_horrific_since_december/comment-page-1/#comment-1017906</link>
		<dc:creator>Gustopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three points.

First, the radical right has done far, far worse than this. From the anti-abortion protesters that go from protesting to intimidation (and every few years violence) to the militia movement&#039;s efforts at judicial intimidation. PETA isn&#039;t mainstream, they&#039;re not in Obama&#039;s circle, they are the radical left.

Second, Scooter Libby was convicted of obstructing justice by a jury of his peers. The reason for this is quite simple -- he was obstructing justice, lying to Federal prosecutors, and preventing them from being able to build the case on the leakers. It&#039;s not a little crime, it is an assault on the rule of law, and the little weasel deserved to go to jail.

Third, the photo of Biden holding the dog was very unfortunately cropped. That puppy has the most adorable giant feet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three points.</p>
<p>First, the radical right has done far, far worse than this. From the anti-abortion protesters that go from protesting to intimidation (and every few years violence) to the militia movement's efforts at judicial intimidation. PETA isn't mainstream, they're not in Obama's circle, they are the radical left.</p>
<p>Second, Scooter Libby was convicted of obstructing justice by a jury of his peers. The reason for this is quite simple -- he was obstructing justice, lying to Federal prosecutors, and preventing them from being able to build the case on the leakers. It's not a little crime, it is an assault on the rule of law, and the little weasel deserved to go to jail.</p>
<p>Third, the photo of Biden holding the dog was very unfortunately cropped. That puppy has the most adorable giant feet.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and here&#039;s a clue, Ajin, since you seem so very desperately to need it; the links that you tossed up, do not constitute proof.  They certainly are situations where &lt;i&gt;subjectively&lt;/i&gt; the charge could be made.  But it&#039;s not proof.  I want proof.  

Prove it.  Now.  
No more excuses, no more dancing.  
Now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and here's a clue, Ajin, since you seem so very desperately to need it; the links that you tossed up, do not constitute proof.  They certainly are situations where <i>subjectively</i> the charge could be made.  But it's not proof.  I want proof.  </p>
<p>Prove it.  Now.<br />
No more excuses, no more dancing.<br />
Now.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/biden_dog_breeder_its_been_horrific_since_december/comment-page-1/#comment-1017899</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You made statements you could not support&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Prove it.
Right here, right now. 
I&#039;m not playing your game, Anjin.

Oh... and you&#039;ve still not answered the question.
Just in case you thought I&#039;d forgotten about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You made statements you could not support</p></blockquote>
<p>Prove it.<br />
Right here, right now.<br />
I'm not playing your game, Anjin.</p>
<p>Oh... and you've still not answered the question.<br />
Just in case you thought I'd forgotten about it.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dudes, dudes, why even begin to argue with Bithead anymore? The motherf-cker is stone crazy on the subject of Democrats. Clinical and certifiable. It&#039;s only a matter of time before the asylum beckonth. Stop wasting bandwidth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dudes, dudes, why even begin to argue with Bithead anymore? The motherf-cker is stone crazy on the subject of Democrats. Clinical and certifiable. It's only a matter of time before the asylum beckonth. Stop wasting bandwidth.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 07:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the game Bit played (and plays here frequently) is just to take James&#039; perfectly reasonable point and turn it into a conspiracy theory-driven hallucination. 

The point, if you&#039;ll look at the last paragraph of the post, is that the Internet is allowing wack-job groups - from any extremist position - to rapidly focus frightening amounts of attention on anyone who publicly disagrees with their sacred cows. Or, as in this case, anyone even tangentially connected to their nominal targets. 

It&#039;s an ability that didn&#039;t exist during the terms of Reagan or Bush Sr., and it can potentially have a very damaging effect on more parts of society than just free speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the game Bit played (and plays here frequently) is just to take James' perfectly reasonable point and turn it into a conspiracy theory-driven hallucination. </p>
<p>The point, if you'll look at the last paragraph of the post, is that the Internet is allowing wack-job groups - from any extremist position - to rapidly focus frightening amounts of attention on anyone who publicly disagrees with their sacred cows. Or, as in this case, anyone even tangentially connected to their nominal targets. </p>
<p>It's an ability that didn't exist during the terms of Reagan or Bush Sr., and it can potentially have a very damaging effect on more parts of society than just free speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 01:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m not playing your games, Anjin.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Shouldn&#039;t that be &quot;I&#039;m not playing my own game&quot; since he just turned what you said right back at you?

Anyway... I&#039;d have more sympathy for the poor breeder if she wasn&#039;t, you know, a bitch who makes her living by abusing animals.  I&#039;m funny like that.  Yes, Biden should have gotten his puppy from a shelter just like anyone else in the market for a pet.  Puppy mills are abhorrent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'm not playing your games, Anjin.</p></blockquote>
<p>Shouldn't that be "I'm not playing my own game" since he just turned what you said right back at you?</p>
<p>Anyway... I'd have more sympathy for the poor breeder if she wasn't, you know, a bitch who makes her living by abusing animals.  I'm funny like that.  Yes, Biden should have gotten his puppy from a shelter just like anyone else in the market for a pet.  Puppy mills are abhorrent.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m not playing your games, Anjin.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You made statements you could not support. You run like the wind when confronted with facts. Another day in the life of Chuckels the Clown.

Do what you always do, proclaim victory and move on to the next rant...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'm not playing your games, Anjin.</p></blockquote>
<p>You made statements you could not support. You run like the wind when confronted with facts. Another day in the life of Chuckels the Clown.</p>
<p>Do what you always do, proclaim victory and move on to the next rant...</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not playing your games, Anjin. A question has been put to you. Answer it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not playing your games, Anjin. A question has been put to you. Answer it.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And how much if it was driven by the was criminalization of a political position? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Please provide definitive proof that this is the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And how much if it was driven by the was criminalization of a political position? </p></blockquote>
<p>Please provide definitive proof that this is the case.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here you go dude:

http://www.uslaw.com/library/Legal_Commentary/Court_Rules_National_Security_Letters_Provisions_Patriot_Act.php?item=326198

http://a.abcnews.com/WNT/story?id=1479790

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/22/AR2007032201882.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/20/AR2007032000921.html

http://boingboing.net/2008/01/09/tsa-searches-detains.html

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/presidentbush/2008/07/terrorist-watch.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/8601-100_162-2066624.html?assetTypeId=30</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here you go dude:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uslaw.com/library/Legal_Commentary/Court_Rules_National_Security_Letters_Provisions_Patriot_Act.php?item=326198" rel="nofollow">http://www.uslaw.com/library/Legal_Commentary/Court_Rules_National_Security_Letters_Provisions_Patriot_Act.php?item=326198</a></p>
<p><a href="http://a.abcnews.com/WNT/story?id=1479790" rel="nofollow">http://a.abcnews.com/WNT/story?id=1479790</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/22/AR2007032201882.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/22/AR2007032201882.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/20/AR2007032000921.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/20/AR2007032000921.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://boingboing.net/2008/01/09/tsa-searches-detains.html" rel="nofollow">http://boingboing.net/2008/01/09/tsa-searches-detains.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/presidentbush/2008/07/terrorist-watch.html" rel="nofollow">http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/presidentbush/2008/07/terrorist-watch.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8601-100_162-2066624.html?assetTypeId=30" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/8601-100_162-2066624.html?assetTypeId=30</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; National Security Letters under Bush, or incorrectly placed on &quot;no-fly&quot; lists.

Yea, that had nothing to do with misuse of the power of government.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Definitive proof that this was misuse of government, would be nice.  With you, bloody well impossible.  But, nice.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;As for the &quot;quality of people&quot; attracted by Presidents, how many of Reagan&#039;s people required pardons? How many of Bush 43&#039;s are indicted/convicted? More than a few...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And how much if it was driven by the was criminalization of a political position?  I ask because it would seem to explain very clearly the conviction of scooter Libby, for example.  Fitz always knew where the leak was coming from.  Yet, he continued chasing Libby.

Seems also to be in line with the methods employed by PETA, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> National Security Letters under Bush, or incorrectly placed on "no-fly" lists.</p>
<p>Yea, that had nothing to do with misuse of the power of government.</p></blockquote>
<p>Definitive proof that this was misuse of government, would be nice.  With you, bloody well impossible.  But, nice.  </p>
<blockquote><p>As for the "quality of people" attracted by Presidents, how many of Reagan's people required pardons? How many of Bush 43's are indicted/convicted? More than a few...</p></blockquote>
<p>And how much if it was driven by the was criminalization of a political position?  I ask because it would seem to explain very clearly the conviction of scooter Libby, for example.  Fitz always knew where the leak was coming from.  Yet, he continued chasing Libby.</p>
<p>Seems also to be in line with the methods employed by PETA, doesn't it?</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess Chuckels has forgotten about the many people who were improperly served with National Security Letters under Bush, or incorrectly placed on &quot;no-fly&quot; lists. 

Yea, that had nothing to do with misuse of the power of government.

As for the &quot;quality of people&quot; attracted by Presidents, how many of Reagan&#039;s people required pardons? How many of Bush 43&#039;s are indicted/convicted? More than a few...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess Chuckels has forgotten about the many people who were improperly served with National Security Letters under Bush, or incorrectly placed on "no-fly" lists. </p>
<p>Yea, that had nothing to do with misuse of the power of government.</p>
<p>As for the "quality of people" attracted by Presidents, how many of Reagan's people required pardons? How many of Bush 43's are indicted/convicted? More than a few...</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s be a little more specific, James.  The fact of the matter is this kind of thing never came up with Bush (either one) or Reagan. 

And before anyone starts, this has little to do with the immediate quality of the people involved (Obama, the Clintons, Carter, etc), and more to do with the quality of the groups in the orbit of each of these people.  It&#039;s not much of a stretch to suggest Obama has attracted a larger than usual number of crackpots, even among Democrats.

The distortion of the whole thing is amplified by the power of government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let's be a little more specific, James.  The fact of the matter is this kind of thing never came up with Bush (either one) or Reagan. </p>
<p>And before anyone starts, this has little to do with the immediate quality of the people involved (Obama, the Clintons, Carter, etc), and more to do with the quality of the groups in the orbit of each of these people.  It's not much of a stretch to suggest Obama has attracted a larger than usual number of crackpots, even among Democrats.</p>
<p>The distortion of the whole thing is amplified by the power of government.</p>
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