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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bill_clinton_mark_foley_and_sexless_sex/comment-page-1/#comment-100863</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a big difference between a physical act like a blowjob and talking dirty or typing nasty stuff. 

I’m glad Foley is gone. However, his e-mail while the page was under 18 did not contain sexual content just inappropriate context. It wasn’t until the person became a former page over the age of 18 that Foley but sexual content into an IM. 

Both took advantage of young subordinates and both should have left office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a big difference between a physical act like a blowjob and talking dirty or typing nasty stuff. </p>
<p>I&rsquo;m glad Foley is gone. However, his e-mail while the page was under 18 did not contain sexual content just inappropriate context. It wasn&rsquo;t until the person became a former page over the age of 18 that Foley but sexual content into an IM. </p>
<p>Both took advantage of young subordinates and both should have left office.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Chance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To my mind, the reactions of the two major political parties to similar situations is starkly clear.

Stubbs, Franks, Clinton, Kennedy (both Ted and Patrick) - the Democratic leadership not only didn&#039;t punish the behavior, they went out of their way to defend it.  Especially the feminists (who usually equate all male employer-female employee sex as rape), gay activists (who usually insist that the &quot;gay lifestyle&quot; doesn&#039;t include pedophilia), and those who want to legalize drugs (because recreational use doesn&#039;t hurt anyone).  There were no calls for anyone in the Democratic leadership to resign over any of these sitautions.

But in the Republicans case, the leadership always condemns the behavior and punishes the offender, if the offender doesn&#039;t &quot;fall oh his sword&quot; first. Ney isn&#039;t running for re-election and has already stepped down from his leadership positions, Foley resigned, etc.  But this isn&#039;t enough for the Democrats - they want nothing less than the immediate resignation of every elected Republican official anywhere in the country.

DeLay is a different situation.  Unlike Jefferson (who was caught red-handed with his hand in the cookie jar - and the cookies still in his refigerator), all DeLay is guilty of is finding the loopholes in a badly written set of election financing laws.  His indictment by an self-avowed political advisary is simply proof that a determined prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich - even if he&#039;s got to try repeatedly to find enough patisan panelists to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my mind, the reactions of the two major political parties to similar situations is starkly clear.</p>
<p>Stubbs, Franks, Clinton, Kennedy (both Ted and Patrick) - the Democratic leadership not only didn't punish the behavior, they went out of their way to defend it.  Especially the feminists (who usually equate all male employer-female employee sex as rape), gay activists (who usually insist that the "gay lifestyle" doesn't include pedophilia), and those who want to legalize drugs (because recreational use doesn't hurt anyone).  There were no calls for anyone in the Democratic leadership to resign over any of these sitautions.</p>
<p>But in the Republicans case, the leadership always condemns the behavior and punishes the offender, if the offender doesn't "fall oh his sword" first. Ney isn't running for re-election and has already stepped down from his leadership positions, Foley resigned, etc.  But this isn't enough for the Democrats - they want nothing less than the immediate resignation of every elected Republican official anywhere in the country.</p>
<p>DeLay is a different situation.  Unlike Jefferson (who was caught red-handed with his hand in the cookie jar - and the cookies still in his refigerator), all DeLay is guilty of is finding the loopholes in a badly written set of election financing laws.  His indictment by an self-avowed political advisary is simply proof that a determined prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich - even if he's got to try repeatedly to find enough patisan panelists to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once again bring you Foley.

The democrats of Louisanna opted not to endorse him for his reelection, but that was a just barely thing, with 43% in favor of endorsing him.

Your excuse is that he hasn&#039;t been convicted of anything, but then neither has Foley (as far as we can tell Foley&#039;s behavior is looking more and more to be just scummy, but not illegal-but further investigation may dig something up).  

Reid-he was involved with Abramoff and has some recent troubles, if the DNC takes the senate, how much you want to bet, he stays the leader?

And the reality is that the Dems weren&#039;t exactly fonts of ethical behavior while they were in charge of congress.  There was that post office scandal, ab scam (jack murtha was part of that, and he is still running for elections and getting elected).

The reality is that both parties have bad apples, it is just that the dems tend to more often than not keep theirs around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once again bring you Foley.</p>
<p>The democrats of Louisanna opted not to endorse him for his reelection, but that was a just barely thing, with 43% in favor of endorsing him.</p>
<p>Your excuse is that he hasn't been convicted of anything, but then neither has Foley (as far as we can tell Foley's behavior is looking more and more to be just scummy, but not illegal-but further investigation may dig something up).  </p>
<p>Reid-he was involved with Abramoff and has some recent troubles, if the DNC takes the senate, how much you want to bet, he stays the leader?</p>
<p>And the reality is that the Dems weren't exactly fonts of ethical behavior while they were in charge of congress.  There was that post office scandal, ab scam (jack murtha was part of that, and he is still running for elections and getting elected).</p>
<p>The reality is that both parties have bad apples, it is just that the dems tend to more often than not keep theirs around.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bit.

OK, which Democrats went out of there way to defend Stubbs and also attacked Foley? Names, por favor. Your use of &quot;they&quot; is kinda weak...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit.</p>
<p>OK, which Democrats went out of there way to defend Stubbs and also attacked Foley? Names, por favor. Your use of "they" is kinda weak...</p>
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		<title>By: lily</title>
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		<dc:creator>lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, when a twelve year old gets in trouble the typical response is &quot;Johnny did it too.&quot;  or &quot;Johnny is worse&quot; or &quot;It&#039;s all Johnny&#039;s fault.&quot; Maybe the little brat will say, &quot;I only did it one time,&quot; when in fact he/she is a repeat offender. All of the people who are still trying to rationalize their support for the Republican party engage in this sort of excus-making.  It is notable that not one defender of the Republicans responded to my point: that the offense isn&#039;t Foley; it&#039;s the cover up and the enabling of Foley that matters.  And there is no parrallel behavior from the Democrats at this time or any time  close enough to matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, when a twelve year old gets in trouble the typical response is "Johnny did it too."  or "Johnny is worse" or "It's all Johnny's fault." Maybe the little brat will say, "I only did it one time," when in fact he/she is a repeat offender. All of the people who are still trying to rationalize their support for the Republican party engage in this sort of excus-making.  It is notable that not one defender of the Republicans responded to my point: that the offense isn't Foley; it's the cover up and the enabling of Foley that matters.  And there is no parrallel behavior from the Democrats at this time or any time  close enough to matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 16:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So your response to the Foley scandal is to harken back to scummy actions by a Democrat in the 70’s? Kind of like the many mentions of Chappaquiddick we have been hearing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But notice, please, that while the Democrats went out of their way to defend these, they also went out of their way to attack Foley on the same ground.  

The phrase &quot;double standard&quot; comes to mind.
pretty much par for the course where Democrats are concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So your response to the Foley scandal is to harken back to scummy actions by a Democrat in the 70&rsquo;s? Kind of like the many mentions of Chappaquiddick we have been hearing.</p></blockquote>
<p>But notice, please, that while the Democrats went out of their way to defend these, they also went out of their way to attack Foley on the same ground.  </p>
<p>The phrase "double standard" comes to mind.<br />
pretty much par for the course where Democrats are concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key difference is that the Democrats are the party of sexual libertarianism and the Republicans aren&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key difference is that the Democrats are the party of sexual libertarianism and the Republicans aren't.</p>
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		<title>By: c</title>
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		<dc:creator>c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yahoo.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bithead,

So your response to the Foley scandal is to harken back to scummy actions by a Democrat in the 70&#039;s? Kind of like the many mentions of Chappaquiddick we have been hearing.

There must be some corrupt patent clerks from the Roosevelt administration you can dredge up too...

No one is saying Democrats are not capable of being slimy, crooked, corrupt, whatever. But you might think about getting next to the fact that the number of GOP House members that have resigned in disgrace in this century is starting to pile up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bithead,</p>
<p>So your response to the Foley scandal is to harken back to scummy actions by a Democrat in the 70's? Kind of like the many mentions of Chappaquiddick we have been hearing.</p>
<p>There must be some corrupt patent clerks from the Roosevelt administration you can dredge up too...</p>
<p>No one is saying Democrats are not capable of being slimy, crooked, corrupt, whatever. But you might think about getting next to the fact that the number of GOP House members that have resigned in disgrace in this century is starting to pile up.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 04:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m of the belief that the more accurate parallel is that of Gerry Studds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm of the belief that the more accurate parallel is that of Gerry Studds.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is one thing to hold one&#039;s nose in order make voting for a democrat more palletable in light of his oponent,but to delude oneself to such an unprecedented degree as to be proud of that action is tragicly shameful .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is one thing to hold one's nose in order make voting for a democrat more palletable in light of his oponent,but to delude oneself to such an unprecedented degree as to be proud of that action is tragicly shameful .</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The reality is that more often than not the bad apples in the GOP do resign&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right.  First of all Jefferson has not been convicted of anything.  Nevertheless, the HOuse Dems voted to strip him of his committee assignments until the investigation of Jefferson is complete.  He hasn&#039;t been charged with anything.

Compare Jefferson to Republican Congressman Bob Ney--who has PLED GUILTY to corruption charges and has not resigned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The reality is that more often than not the bad apples in the GOP do resign</p></blockquote>
<p>Right.  First of all Jefferson has not been convicted of anything.  Nevertheless, the HOuse Dems voted to strip him of his committee assignments until the investigation of Jefferson is complete.  He hasn't been charged with anything.</p>
<p>Compare Jefferson to Republican Congressman Bob Ney--who has PLED GUILTY to corruption charges and has not resigned.</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lily and just when did the Dem leadership force Jefferson to resign?

The reality is that more often than not the bad apples in the GOP do resign and the bad apples in the DNC keep getting reelected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lily and just when did the Dem leadership force Jefferson to resign?</p>
<p>The reality is that more often than not the bad apples in the GOP do resign and the bad apples in the DNC keep getting reelected.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the rest of this poem is certainly applicable, and worth the read</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the rest of this poem is certainly applicable, and worth the read</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As I pass through my incarnations in every age and race,
I Make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market-Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.&quot;.... Rudyard kipling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"As I pass through my incarnations in every age and race,<br />
I Make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market-Place.<br />
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,<br />
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.".... Rudyard kipling</p>
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