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		<title>By: Wizbang</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bill_clintons_latest_lie/comment-page-1/#comment-55037</link>
		<dc:creator>Wizbang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Clinton Ignored Bin Laden Warning During Lewinsky Affair&lt;/strong&gt;

I knew when I saw that Leopold Stotch blogged this over at at OTB that there was a reason for the timing: Clinton: I Would Have Attacked Bin Laden Ex-president Bill Clinton now says he would have taken out Osama...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Clinton Ignored Bin Laden Warning During Lewinsky Affair</strong></p>
<p>I knew when I saw that Leopold Stotch blogged this over at at OTB that there was a reason for the timing: Clinton: I Would Have Attacked Bin Laden Ex-president Bill Clinton now says he would have taken out Osama...</p>
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		<title>By: Iowa Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bill_clintons_latest_lie/comment-page-1/#comment-54970</link>
		<dc:creator>Iowa Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Able Danger And 9/11 Pt III&lt;/strong&gt;

Great article here about one a military officer who says he did, in fact, report about Able Danger to the 9/11 Commission, and that he is sure Atta was on the list.

If he&#039;s telling the truth, then the entire history of the last five years needs to ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Able Danger And 9/11 Pt III</strong></p>
<p>Great article here about one a military officer who says he did, in fact, report about Able Danger to the 9/11 Commission, and that he is sure Atta was on the list.</p>
<p>If he's telling the truth, then the entire history of the last five years needs to ...</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bill_clintons_latest_lie/comment-page-1/#comment-54905</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no &quot;lie&quot;; Clinton consistently, and in retrospect ill-advisedly, set a high standard for what was, after all, a matter of war.  From Ace&#039;s source:

&lt;blockquote&gt;President Clinton told us that before he could launch further attacks on al Qaeda in Afghanistan, or deliver an ultimatum to the Taliban threatening strikes if they did not immediately expel Bin Ladin, &lt;strong&gt;the CIA or the FBI had to be sure enough that they would &quot;be willing to stand up in public and say, we believe that he [Bin Ladin] did this.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt; He said he was very frustrated that he could not get a definitive enough answer to do something about the Cole attack.137 Similarly, Berger recalled that to go to war, a president needs to be able to say that his senior intelligence and law enforcement officers have concluded who is responsible. He recalled that the intelligence agencies had strong suspicions, but had reached &quot;no conclusion by the time we left office that it was al Qaeda.&quot;138&lt;/blockquote&gt;

CIA guys are now doubtless willing to say they &quot;knew&quot; it was Osama, and they were right, but what may suffice for intel won&#039;t suffice for, say, a criminal indictment, which Steve Coll in &lt;i&gt;Ghost Wars&lt;/i&gt; says was the standard that Clinton&#039;s people tended to set (see pp. 537-38).  In Coll&#039;s notes, he quotes Berger as saying that &quot;judgment about responsibility for the &lt;i&gt;Cole&lt;/i&gt; ... was reached sometime between the time we left office and 9/11.&quot;  State&#039;s annual report on terrorism &quot;found &#039;no definitive link&#039; between the &lt;i&gt;Cole&lt;/i&gt; attack and &#039;bin Laden&#039;s organization.&#039;&quot;

(Coll adds that &quot;for a variety of reasons, including unsettled national politics and a desire not to preempt the next president&#039;s options, Clinton and Berger had little interest in a parting military shot.  Even without the establishment of definitive responsibility for the &lt;i&gt;Cole&lt;/i&gt; attack, they might have found other ways to justify an attack had they wanted to launch one.&quot;)

Did Clinton require too strong a showing?  Possibly.  But remember the Sudan bombing and all the wag-the-dog stuff.  Partly through his own foolishness in the Lewinsky affair, Clinton was a very weak president who simply couldn&#039;t afford to go on TV and tell America &quot;hey, one of our ships got attacked, so now we&#039;re invading Afghanistan.&quot;

So I think Clinton&#039;s being a little wishful, but not a jerk by any means.  Particularly since we did indeed delay too long in invading Afghanistan and botched the effort when we were there.  Would Clinton have done better?  Who knows.  He couldn&#039;t have done much worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's no "lie"; Clinton consistently, and in retrospect ill-advisedly, set a high standard for what was, after all, a matter of war.  From Ace's source:</p>
<blockquote><p>President Clinton told us that before he could launch further attacks on al Qaeda in Afghanistan, or deliver an ultimatum to the Taliban threatening strikes if they did not immediately expel Bin Ladin, <strong>the CIA or the FBI had to be sure enough that they would "be willing to stand up in public and say, we believe that he [Bin Ladin] did this."</strong> He said he was very frustrated that he could not get a definitive enough answer to do something about the Cole attack.137 Similarly, Berger recalled that to go to war, a president needs to be able to say that his senior intelligence and law enforcement officers have concluded who is responsible. He recalled that the intelligence agencies had strong suspicions, but had reached "no conclusion by the time we left office that it was al Qaeda."138</p></blockquote>
<p>CIA guys are now doubtless willing to say they "knew" it was Osama, and they were right, but what may suffice for intel won't suffice for, say, a criminal indictment, which Steve Coll in <i>Ghost Wars</i> says was the standard that Clinton's people tended to set (see pp. 537-38).  In Coll's notes, he quotes Berger as saying that "judgment about responsibility for the <i>Cole</i> ... was reached sometime between the time we left office and 9/11."  State's annual report on terrorism "found 'no definitive link' between the <i>Cole</i> attack and 'bin Laden's organization.'"</p>
<p>(Coll adds that "for a variety of reasons, including unsettled national politics and a desire not to preempt the next president's options, Clinton and Berger had little interest in a parting military shot.  Even without the establishment of definitive responsibility for the <i>Cole</i> attack, they might have found other ways to justify an attack had they wanted to launch one.")</p>
<p>Did Clinton require too strong a showing?  Possibly.  But remember the Sudan bombing and all the wag-the-dog stuff.  Partly through his own foolishness in the Lewinsky affair, Clinton was a very weak president who simply couldn't afford to go on TV and tell America "hey, one of our ships got attacked, so now we're invading Afghanistan."</p>
<p>So I think Clinton's being a little wishful, but not a jerk by any means.  Particularly since we did indeed delay too long in invading Afghanistan and botched the effort when we were there.  Would Clinton have done better?  Who knows.  He couldn't have done much worse.</p>
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		<title>By: dougrc</title>
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		<dc:creator>dougrc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or as we say back here in Arkansas, &quot;That cow had to have four stomachs to make a pile that big&quot;. There&#039;s a thousand more just like William Jefferson Blythe-Clinton here in Arkansas; just drive onto any used car lot and you&#039;ll meet a couple of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or as we say back here in Arkansas, "That cow had to have four stomachs to make a pile that big". There's a thousand more just like William Jefferson Blythe-Clinton here in Arkansas; just drive onto any used car lot and you'll meet a couple of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Leopold Stotch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leopold Stotch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get your point Anderson; the lie is claiming we didn&#039;t know who attacked the Cole.

See &lt;a href=&quot;http://ace.mu.nu/archives/112209.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ace&#039;s post&lt;/a&gt; for details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get your point Anderson; the lie is claiming we didn't know who attacked the Cole.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://ace.mu.nu/archives/112209.php" rel="nofollow">Ace's post</a> for details.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say, if you&#039;re going to treat Clinton as a patent liar and fool, aren&#039;t you obliged to provide some facts supporting your position?

That is, that the evidence shows he would NOT have attacked Afghanistan had he been sure who bombed the &lt;i&gt;Cole&lt;/i&gt;?  Or that he was indeed sure?

Holding no brief for Clinton on this one, but if you&#039;re going to be taken seriously, you need something other than &quot;Clinton says X --- what gall!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say, if you're going to treat Clinton as a patent liar and fool, aren't you obliged to provide some facts supporting your position?</p>
<p>That is, that the evidence shows he would NOT have attacked Afghanistan had he been sure who bombed the <i>Cole</i>?  Or that he was indeed sure?</p>
<p>Holding no brief for Clinton on this one, but if you're going to be taken seriously, you need something other than "Clinton says X --- what gall!"</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Clinton legacy revision watch&lt;/strong&gt;

Besides, why did it take you until the Cole bombing to figure out that handling OBL and his terrorist band of thugs was more than a law enforcement issue? How about the first WTC attack? Or the embassy bombings? Remember those?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Clinton legacy revision watch</strong></p>
<p>Besides, why did it take you until the Cole bombing to figure out that handling OBL and his terrorist band of thugs was more than a law enforcement issue? How about the first WTC attack? Or the embassy bombings? Remember those?</p>
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		<title>By: ICallMasICM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ICallMasICM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a rule I always try to avoid any rehashing of the past or complaining about what this one did or that one did and certainly the partisan comparisons because they&#039;re basically irrelevant. But could Clinton and Carter give me some help and observe the longstanding decorum of shutting up after they&#039;re out of office? Would some common courtesy to refrain from back stabbing be too much to ask? Are these guys so insecure that they can&#039;t just walk away?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a rule I always try to avoid any rehashing of the past or complaining about what this one did or that one did and certainly the partisan comparisons because they're basically irrelevant. But could Clinton and Carter give me some help and observe the longstanding decorum of shutting up after they're out of office? Would some common courtesy to refrain from back stabbing be too much to ask? Are these guys so insecure that they can't just walk away?</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peace and prosperity.... yeah, just ask some one from the Balkans...  too little, too late- a recurring theme with dumbocrats and in the U.N.

So now Clinton is responsible for the tech stock boom also?  ...and Al Gore invented the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peace and prosperity.... yeah, just ask some one from the Balkans...  too little, too late- a recurring theme with dumbocrats and in the U.N.</p>
<p>So now Clinton is responsible for the tech stock boom also?  ...and Al Gore invented the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I was not Bill Clinton&#039;s biggest fan when he was office. But to say he &quot;sexually assulted&quot; female employees is a joke.  Clearly Monica was a willing party.

As for &quot;doing nothing&quot;, yea, that peace &amp; prosperity we had under Clinton really blew. I know I prefer $3.00 a gallon for gas and our boys dying with no end in site in Iraq.

I guess we will just have to listen to endless harping about Clinton to distract from Bush&#039;s many failures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I was not Bill Clinton's biggest fan when he was office. But to say he "sexually assulted" female employees is a joke.  Clearly Monica was a willing party.</p>
<p>As for "doing nothing", yea, that peace &amp; prosperity we had under Clinton really blew. I know I prefer $3.00 a gallon for gas and our boys dying with no end in site in Iraq.</p>
<p>I guess we will just have to listen to endless harping about Clinton to distract from Bush's many failures.</p>
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