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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/blog_polarization_and_self-segregation/comment-page-1/#comment-440034</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 05:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael @JJ
I think Michael is correct that they do not delete the diaries - it is more a matter of suffering the slings and arrows of an outraged comment swarm. Well, that&#039;s if you are lucky and not ignored completely. 

I also think they have some sort of double secret probationary troll rating club. At one point I suddenly found I had an ability to troll- rate other Kos Kids. This was back when they liked me. The rating privilege disappeared a few posts later. 

Posting there is entertaining, in a masochistic sort of way, I am just not sure there is any value in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael @JJ<br />
I think Michael is correct that they do not delete the diaries - it is more a matter of suffering the slings and arrows of an outraged comment swarm. Well, that's if you are lucky and not ignored completely. </p>
<p>I also think they have some sort of double secret probationary troll rating club. At one point I suddenly found I had an ability to troll- rate other Kos Kids. This was back when they liked me. The rating privilege disappeared a few posts later. </p>
<p>Posting there is entertaining, in a masochistic sort of way, I am just not sure there is any value in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Divided We Stand United We Falll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Divided We Stand United We Falll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Polarized Partisan Politics Promotes Popular Participation...&lt;/strong&gt;

James Joyner at Outside the Beltway is not surprised by the results, observing in &quot;Blog Polarization and Self-Segregation&quot;... I agree with Joyner that the blogosphere is a reasonable reflection of the political sphere at large, so the finding that po...</description>
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<p>James Joyner at Outside the Beltway is not surprised by the results, observing in "Blog Polarization and Self-Segregation"... I agree with Joyner that the blogosphere is a reasonable reflection of the political sphere at large, so the finding that po...</p>
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		<title>By: Media Bullseye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Media Bullseye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Correllation What Now? -- Nathan Burke Joins the Roundtable...&lt;/strong&gt;

I asked Nathan Burke o join the Roundtable this week in part because his work for matchmine, which offers a recommendation tool to users to suggest content they might like across all forms of media, makes him an excellent guest to discuss one of the st...</description>
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<p>I asked Nathan Burke o join the Roundtable this week in part because his work for matchmine, which offers a recommendation tool to users to suggest content they might like across all forms of media, makes him an excellent guest to discuss one of the st...</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He&#039;s had several purges, actually. A couple years back, he got rid of a bunch of hateful diaries, later they purged Cindy Sheehan stuff after she went rogue, and it seems like he&#039;s recently gotten rid of some of the Clinton bitter dead-enders.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I remember him purging some conspiracy theorist stuff, but it was mostly far-left, not right, and like you said, pretty hateful stuff.  And Cindy Sheehan&#039;s diary is still &lt;a href=&quot;http://cindysheehan.dailykos.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in existance&lt;/a&gt;, I think she was just told that she wasn&#039;t welcome there anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He's had several purges, actually. A couple years back, he got rid of a bunch of hateful diaries, later they purged Cindy Sheehan stuff after she went rogue, and it seems like he's recently gotten rid of some of the Clinton bitter dead-enders.</p></blockquote>
<p>I remember him purging some conspiracy theorist stuff, but it was mostly far-left, not right, and like you said, pretty hateful stuff.  And Cindy Sheehan's diary is still <a href="http://cindysheehan.dailykos.com/" rel="nofollow">in existance</a>, I think she was just told that she wasn't welcome there anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m not sure Kos ever deletes diary posts. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

He&#039;s had several purges, actually.  A couple years back, he got rid of a bunch of hateful diaries, later they purged Cindy Sheehan stuff after she went rogue, and it seems like he&#039;s recently gotten rid of some of the Clinton bitter dead-enders.

Kos is running a progressive Democrat machine, not a free-for-all for public debate.  Nor does he pretend otherwise.  I&#039;m fine with that incidentally.  It&#039;s his dime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'm not sure Kos ever deletes diary posts. </p></blockquote>
<p>He's had several purges, actually.  A couple years back, he got rid of a bunch of hateful diaries, later they purged Cindy Sheehan stuff after she went rogue, and it seems like he's recently gotten rid of some of the Clinton bitter dead-enders.</p>
<p>Kos is running a progressive Democrat machine, not a free-for-all for public debate.  Nor does he pretend otherwise.  I'm fine with that incidentally.  It's his dime.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;ll be posting an updated 2008 version of the same post on my blog soon (it is still true), and am considering posting it at Daily Kos. I expect a similar outcome. I&#039;m just a glutton for punishment I guess.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;m not sure Kos ever deletes diary posts.  I know he&#039;s taken a lot of flak in the past for _not_ deleting people&#039;s accounts, even when asked to, so your post should be fine there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'll be posting an updated 2008 version of the same post on my blog soon (it is still true), and am considering posting it at Daily Kos. I expect a similar outcome. I'm just a glutton for punishment I guess.</p></blockquote>
<p>I'm not sure Kos ever deletes diary posts.  I know he's taken a lot of flak in the past for _not_ deleting people's accounts, even when asked to, so your post should be fine there.</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
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		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Has anyone else seen this happen?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have had posts deleted and ultimately had my account suspended at RedState.  A notable example was a diary that was erased minutes after posting it on that site. It was a completely dispassionate, fact based and documented post about investors preferring divided government. Of course that was in 2006, when RedState did not like the idea of divided government. The irony is that I expect they would like to promote the idea now, since voting for divided government is the only good reason to vote for John McCain -  Alas, I no longer have an account there. 

I&#039;ll be posting an updated 2008 version of the same post on my blog soon (it is still true), and am considering posting it at Daily Kos. I expect a similar outcome. I&#039;m just a glutton for punishment I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>Has anyone else seen this happen?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I have had posts deleted and ultimately had my account suspended at RedState.  A notable example was a diary that was erased minutes after posting it on that site. It was a completely dispassionate, fact based and documented post about investors preferring divided government. Of course that was in 2006, when RedState did not like the idea of divided government. The irony is that I expect they would like to promote the idea now, since voting for divided government is the only good reason to vote for John McCain -  Alas, I no longer have an account there. </p>
<p>I'll be posting an updated 2008 version of the same post on my blog soon (it is still true), and am considering posting it at Daily Kos. I expect a similar outcome. I'm just a glutton for punishment I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Has anyone else seen this happen?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;ve seen it regularly at Redstate and a few other far right sites I&#039;ve visited.  I&#039;ve had my account at Redstate shutdown under a few names for pointing out logical inconsistencies in the arguments of hosts and commenters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Has anyone else seen this happen?</p></blockquote>
<p>I've seen it regularly at Redstate and a few other far right sites I've visited.  I've had my account at Redstate shutdown under a few names for pointing out logical inconsistencies in the arguments of hosts and commenters.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; But here we suffer from a different problem. If you comment more than about 12 hours after the first post, everyone has moved on. There is almost never any long-term discussion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, some discussions do go on quite a bit faster than this, others slower.... or at least longer.   But I&#039;ve noticed that this site tends to move more quickly through a subject than some. I&#039;ve noted Q&amp;O working at about the same pace as their comment threads develop, as OTB does, here. Based on that parallel, and at the risk of being seen as guilding the lilly somewhat, I suspect and suppose that there&#039;s a couple of reasons for this. 

* In both cases, the subjects are more completely explored in the posting itself. This strikes me as indication of the level of smarts of the writers at the Blog. 

*The commentors in both cases are for the most part smarter, and express their points more completely. Being smart, they also find applying logic to the arguments at hand, far easier than some. They&#039;re also better informed than most. So manage as a result of those factors, to exhaust discussion of a topic before many others have had a chance to scratch the surface. (All the participants being up to date on a topic is an increadible timesaver, vs having to explain every nuance of an argument.)

There&#039;s another level I need to mention here, though it doesn&#039;t totally fit with the rest of my comment; In the case of both the blogs I&#039;ve mentioned, there&#039;s an apparent recoginition that ideas have consequeces. In short, there&#039;s a passion here, among both authors and commentors, that drives some of that speed, too. Passion is, for example, what takes things to a personal level, well beyond mere poliicy discussion, which end up putting everyone to sleep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> But here we suffer from a different problem. If you comment more than about 12 hours after the first post, everyone has moved on. There is almost never any long-term discussion.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, some discussions do go on quite a bit faster than this, others slower.... or at least longer.   But I've noticed that this site tends to move more quickly through a subject than some. I've noted Q&amp;O working at about the same pace as their comment threads develop, as OTB does, here. Based on that parallel, and at the risk of being seen as guilding the lilly somewhat, I suspect and suppose that there's a couple of reasons for this. </p>
<p>* In both cases, the subjects are more completely explored in the posting itself. This strikes me as indication of the level of smarts of the writers at the Blog. </p>
<p>*The commentors in both cases are for the most part smarter, and express their points more completely. Being smart, they also find applying logic to the arguments at hand, far easier than some. They're also better informed than most. So manage as a result of those factors, to exhaust discussion of a topic before many others have had a chance to scratch the surface. (All the participants being up to date on a topic is an increadible timesaver, vs having to explain every nuance of an argument.)</p>
<p>There's another level I need to mention here, though it doesn't totally fit with the rest of my comment; In the case of both the blogs I've mentioned, there's an apparent recoginition that ideas have consequeces. In short, there's a passion here, among both authors and commentors, that drives some of that speed, too. Passion is, for example, what takes things to a personal level, well beyond mere poliicy discussion, which end up putting everyone to sleep.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Course, I wouldn&#039;t notice it on right of center blogs since I agree with them most of time anyway. Has anyone else seen this happen?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, it depends on what you mean.
If youre asking do leftists get kicked off sites I monitor, yes, I&#039;ve seen it happen a few times.  However, if you&#039;re asking if leftists get kicked off those sites simply because the host disagrees with them, I&#039;d have to say it may, but I&#039;ve never seen it myself.  On the occasions I&#039;ve seen removals occur, it was because the leftist in question was being a total jerk, even absent political position.  Then too, I&#039;ve seen a few on the right get the same treatment from such sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Course, I wouldn't notice it on right of center blogs since I agree with them most of time anyway. Has anyone else seen this happen?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, it depends on what you mean.<br />
If youre asking do leftists get kicked off sites I monitor, yes, I've seen it happen a few times.  However, if you're asking if leftists get kicked off those sites simply because the host disagrees with them, I'd have to say it may, but I've never seen it myself.  On the occasions I've seen removals occur, it was because the leftist in question was being a total jerk, even absent political position.  Then too, I've seen a few on the right get the same treatment from such sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Br0c</title>
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		<dc:creator>Br0c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think the blogiverse has pretty much just been another data point demonstrating John Gabriel&#039;s inestimable brilliance.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I hate to say it, but I have to agree with you on one thing Darklock... &quot;Gabe&quot; is a great artist &amp; a bloody genius too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think the blogiverse has pretty much just been another data point demonstrating John Gabriel's inestimable brilliance.</p></blockquote>
<p>I hate to say it, but I have to agree with you on one thing Darklock... "Gabe" is a great artist &amp; a bloody genius too.</p>
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		<title>By: brainy435</title>
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		<dc:creator>brainy435</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of blogs actually make themselves into echo chambers. Talk Left loves to delete anything they don&#039;t agree with, a habit I&#039;ve noticed with a lot of left of center blogs. It&#039;s pretty funny to follow the comments to a post for awhile, then have one or more of the commentors dissapear completely. Looks like the people the blog posters agree with are arguing with themselves.

Course, I wouldn&#039;t notice it on right of center blogs since I agree with them most of time anyway. Has anyone else seen this happen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of blogs actually make themselves into echo chambers. Talk Left loves to delete anything they don't agree with, a habit I've noticed with a lot of left of center blogs. It's pretty funny to follow the comments to a post for awhile, then have one or more of the commentors dissapear completely. Looks like the people the blog posters agree with are arguing with themselves.</p>
<p>Course, I wouldn't notice it on right of center blogs since I agree with them most of time anyway. Has anyone else seen this happen?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dang I missed it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Which, I must say, made it a much more pleasant experience all together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dang I missed it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Which, I must say, made it a much more pleasant experience all together.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s funny, because I&#039;m still arguing with someone on the ID/Evolution article from a few days ago. I think it&#039;s just that by the 12 hour mark, we&#039;ve said all there is to say on any given subject, or at least thoroughly discredited someone&#039;s argument to the point where they concede (willingly or not).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Dang I missed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It's funny, because I'm still arguing with someone on the ID/Evolution article from a few days ago. I think it's just that by the 12 hour mark, we've said all there is to say on any given subject, or at least thoroughly discredited someone's argument to the point where they concede (willingly or not).</p></blockquote>
<p>Dang I missed it.</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re not only unreadable because they are deemed offensive -sometimes  even a good blog like Lucianne.com is offensive such as thes morning with this post:

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&quot;...Can you say &quot;sanitization?&quot; 

I knew you could. 

Hillary, the Demosleaze, the Soviets and the real pro, the Holy Roman Catholic Church has taught them well.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
I sent an e Mail to register my complaint, as she has tight moniteering of her site and can only assume -they were asleep or found it acceptable to allow religious attacks of pure bigotry. She&#039;s not accepting E-Mails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They're not only unreadable because they are deemed offensive -sometimes  even a good blog like Lucianne.com is offensive such as thes morning with this post:</p>
<p><em><strong>"...Can you say "sanitization?" </p>
<p>I knew you could. </p>
<p>Hillary, the Demosleaze, the Soviets and the real pro, the Holy Roman Catholic Church has taught them well."</strong></em><br />
I sent an e Mail to register my complaint, as she has tight moniteering of her site and can only assume -they were asleep or found it acceptable to allow religious attacks of pure bigotry. She's not accepting E-Mails.</p>
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