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		<title>By: Nightly Ramble: Predicting the unpredictable and reaction to it, more &#124; BitsBlog</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bloggers_as_opinion_leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-358316</link>
		<dc:creator>Nightly Ramble: Predicting the unpredictable and reaction to it, more &#124; BitsBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 19:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] remarks yesterday about Bloggers as opinion leaders. I tell him: What we have here is a situation where just being a blogger, of itself isn&#8217;t all [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] remarks yesterday about Bloggers as opinion leaders. I tell him: What we have here is a situation where just being a blogger, of itself isn&#8217;t all [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Power of Bloggers</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bloggers_as_opinion_leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-358227</link>
		<dc:creator>The Power of Bloggers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 16:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] politics. Occasionally, James covers a topic that has crossover into the Technosailor market. This was one of those [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] politics. Occasionally, James covers a topic that has crossover into the Technosailor market. This was one of those [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bloggers_as_opinion_leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-357764</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 02:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would you call that?


It depends on my mood.

The Democratic Underground leaps to mind, though.
Andrew Sullivan.
Glenn Greenwald.
There&#039;s a few others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would you call that?</p>
<p>It depends on my mood.</p>
<p>The Democratic Underground leaps to mind, though.<br />
Andrew Sullivan.<br />
Glenn Greenwald.<br />
There's a few others.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bloggers_as_opinion_leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-357624</link>
		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 23:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Which would seem to suggest that those who read blogs are more discerning than most.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


And don&#039;t forget the people who just need to read the headline, figure it all out, give you the answer so you will know what to do from this day forth.

what would you call that? More discerning for most?

lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Which would seem to suggest that those who read blogs are more discerning than most.</p></blockquote>
<p>And don't forget the people who just need to read the headline, figure it all out, give you the answer so you will know what to do from this day forth.</p>
<p>what would you call that? More discerning for most?</p>
<p>lol.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bloggers_as_opinion_leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-357196</link>
		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Media, predominantly television and newspapers, enjoyed a virtual monopoly on the consumer goods called news and opinion.  Until the Internet came along.  They still have a dominant position, but they have been, and are continuing to lose market share.  Like almost all monopolists their first recourse has been to run to the government for protection, e.g., the Fairness Doctine.

To the extent that bloggers have penetrated this market it has been by providing a better product for a better price -- and this is where it really gets scary for Big Media -- frequently for nothing. The ride is only going to get bumpier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Media, predominantly television and newspapers, enjoyed a virtual monopoly on the consumer goods called news and opinion.  Until the Internet came along.  They still have a dominant position, but they have been, and are continuing to lose market share.  Like almost all monopolists their first recourse has been to run to the government for protection, e.g., the Fairness Doctine.</p>
<p>To the extent that bloggers have penetrated this market it has been by providing a better product for a better price -- and this is where it really gets scary for Big Media -- frequently for nothing. The ride is only going to get bumpier.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bloggers_as_opinion_leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-357180</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Which would seem to suggest that those who read blogs are more discerning than most.&lt;/blockquote&gt;And also the fact that blogs allow readers to discern more than just what it written on the blog.  Between hyperlinks in the articles, comment threads, and Google, a blog is just the starting point for your discussions of the subject.  

This as opposed to the MSM structure where the article is presented as the end of the discussion on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Which would seem to suggest that those who read blogs are more discerning than most.</p></blockquote>
<p>And also the fact that blogs allow readers to discern more than just what it written on the blog.  Between hyperlinks in the articles, comment threads, and Google, a blog is just the starting point for your discussions of the subject.  </p>
<p>This as opposed to the MSM structure where the article is presented as the end of the discussion on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if I read the statements of Michael and YAJ correctly... and I think I do.. what we have here is a situation where just being a blogger, of itself isn&#039;t all that influential, unless that status is used in distributing some truth or another that isn&#039;t available elsewhere.

Which would seem to suggest that those who read blogs are more discerning than most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if I read the statements of Michael and YAJ correctly... and I think I do.. what we have here is a situation where just being a blogger, of itself isn't all that influential, unless that status is used in distributing some truth or another that isn't available elsewhere.</p>
<p>Which would seem to suggest that those who read blogs are more discerning than most.</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“blogging tends to be the hobby of people with full-time jobs who do it because it’s more fun than stamp collecting.”

That’s right and certainly describes my venture into the blogosphere. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Dude!  Stamp collecting rocks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“blogging tends to be the hobby of people with full-time jobs who do it because it&rsquo;s more fun than stamp collecting.”</p>
<p>That&rsquo;s right and certainly describes my venture into the blogosphere. </p></blockquote>
<p>Dude!  Stamp collecting rocks!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to yetanotherjohn&#039;s list, there was also Hillary&#039;s &quot;sniper&quot; episode, which was circulated around the blogs before hitting the MSM.

Blogger&#039;s don&#039;t change the outcomes, but they sure can change the public narrative, which then has the possibility of changing the outcomes.

After CBS&#039;s screw up, nobody was going to touch that story with a ten foot pole, and anybody who brought it up was instantly compared (unfavorably) to Rather.

After Clinton&#039;s sniper &quot;misstatement&quot;, she can&#039;t talk about foreign policy experience she gained as the first lady without that experience being brought into question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to yetanotherjohn's list, there was also Hillary's "sniper" episode, which was circulated around the blogs before hitting the MSM.</p>
<p>Blogger's don't change the outcomes, but they sure can change the public narrative, which then has the possibility of changing the outcomes.</p>
<p>After CBS's screw up, nobody was going to touch that story with a ten foot pole, and anybody who brought it up was instantly compared (unfavorably) to Rather.</p>
<p>After Clinton's sniper "misstatement", she can't talk about foreign policy experience she gained as the first lady without that experience being brought into question.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would quibble with your conclusion.

In 2004, CBS presented their story on Bush and the Texas Air National Guard. Absent bloggers, that would have been the story line for the media. Bloggers started asking questions. The story became the CBS fraud on its viewers (not the result they were looking for). You could make an argument that absent that check on the MSM, 2004 could have turned out differently. 

Likewise, without bloggers would the swiftboat veterans have been able to get the story out and force the acknowledgement that parts of Kerry&#039;s story that were &quot;seared into his memory&quot; never happened?

Without these two corrections to the media (both cases where the press published a lie and were caught), could 2004 have turned out differently? Possibly, but you can never tell.

I see the impact of bloggers as more of a check on the MSM. When the pendulum swings to far to one side (allowing falsehoods to be accepted as truth because of partisan bias), the bloggers can act as a countervailing force. 

On the left, would Obama have gotten where he is without the nutroots support? Possibly, but again you can&#039;t prove or disprove it.

But I think it is at least a possibility that both nomination and general elections have already been heavily influenced, if not changed by bloggers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would quibble with your conclusion.</p>
<p>In 2004, CBS presented their story on Bush and the Texas Air National Guard. Absent bloggers, that would have been the story line for the media. Bloggers started asking questions. The story became the CBS fraud on its viewers (not the result they were looking for). You could make an argument that absent that check on the MSM, 2004 could have turned out differently. </p>
<p>Likewise, without bloggers would the swiftboat veterans have been able to get the story out and force the acknowledgement that parts of Kerry's story that were "seared into his memory" never happened?</p>
<p>Without these two corrections to the media (both cases where the press published a lie and were caught), could 2004 have turned out differently? Possibly, but you can never tell.</p>
<p>I see the impact of bloggers as more of a check on the MSM. When the pendulum swings to far to one side (allowing falsehoods to be accepted as truth because of partisan bias), the bloggers can act as a countervailing force. </p>
<p>On the left, would Obama have gotten where he is without the nutroots support? Possibly, but again you can't prove or disprove it.</p>
<p>But I think it is at least a possibility that both nomination and general elections have already been heavily influenced, if not changed by bloggers.</p>
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