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		<title>By: BSRules</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bloggers_national_security_threat/comment-page-1/#comment-275471</link>
		<dc:creator>BSRules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like more &lt;strong&gt;&quot;Rules&quot;&lt;/strong&gt; we &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Must&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; live by...

Or maybe its,

we &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Must&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;Die&lt;/em&gt; by...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like more <strong>"Rules"</strong> we <em><strong>Must</strong></em> live by...</p>
<p>Or maybe its,</p>
<p>we <em><strong>Must</strong></em> <em>Die</em> by...</p>
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		<title>By: Cri</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bloggers_national_security_threat/comment-page-1/#comment-272249</link>
		<dc:creator>Cri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Things are different in a post 9/11 world&lt;/blockquote&gt;No.  The Founders didn&#039;t write a document that could be folded up and ignored when convenient.  It&#039;s stood the test of time, and was written by men far more sophisticated and intelligent than the morons that pass for political leaders these days.

Give them some credit for knowing the human spirit better than the leaders of today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Things are different in a post 9/11 world</p></blockquote>
<p>No.  The Founders didn't write a document that could be folded up and ignored when convenient.  It's stood the test of time, and was written by men far more sophisticated and intelligent than the morons that pass for political leaders these days.</p>
<p>Give them some credit for knowing the human spirit better than the leaders of today.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Grouch</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bloggers_national_security_threat/comment-page-1/#comment-272230</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Grouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This goes right along with the Department of Homeland Security &lt;a href=&quot;http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=432820&amp;cid=22208970&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pushing &quot;guidelines&quot;&lt;/a&gt; for private ownership and use of things like geiger counters and air quality monitors.  [&lt;em&gt;Village Voice&lt;/em&gt; coverage &lt;a title=&quot;“NYPD Seeks an Air Monitor Crackdown for New Yorkers” by Chris Thompson&quot; href=&quot;http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0803,thompson,78873,2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]  

Because if you leave the tools for self-defense in the hands of the citizens, well, &lt;em&gt;who knows what they might do?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This goes right along with the Department of Homeland Security <a href="http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=432820&amp;cid=22208970" rel="nofollow">pushing "guidelines"</a> for private ownership and use of things like geiger counters and air quality monitors.  [<em>Village Voice</em> coverage <a title="“NYPD Seeks an Air Monitor Crackdown for New Yorkers” by Chris Thompson" href="http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0803,thompson,78873,2.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.]  </p>
<p>Because if you leave the tools for self-defense in the hands of the citizens, well, <em>who knows what they might do?</em><strong></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bloggers_national_security_threat/comment-page-1/#comment-272228</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, before wrapping yourself in the flag holding a copy of the Constitution in defense of the polity as established by the Founding Fathers, you might want to take a gander at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alien and Sedition Acts&lt;/a&gt;, enacted by a number of those same Founding Fathers.

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Espionage Act of 1917&lt;/a&gt; might prove interesting reading, too.

I&#039;m not supporting the wholesale abrogation of rights but I also think it&#039;s important we keep things in proportion.  Abolutist positions on both sides of this discussion are simply not moored in the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, before wrapping yourself in the flag holding a copy of the Constitution in defense of the polity as established by the Founding Fathers, you might want to take a gander at the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts" rel="nofollow">Alien and Sedition Acts</a>, enacted by a number of those same Founding Fathers.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917" rel="nofollow">Espionage Act of 1917</a> might prove interesting reading, too.</p>
<p>I'm not supporting the wholesale abrogation of rights but I also think it's important we keep things in proportion.  Abolutist positions on both sides of this discussion are simply not moored in the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look if you get all these bloggers &quot;spreading “believable but misleading” information...&quot; then who will believe the &quot;believable but misleading&quot; information the government or other powers that be put out.  Bureaucrats hate competition.  Look what bloggers did to Dan Rather over the TX NG letters?  That was some perfectly good believable but misleading information that went to waste before it could have the desired effect.

The thing is that if you only read the internet for 5 minutes, you may be mislead.  But if you read it for 15 minutes, you&#039;ll find that the misleading information gets poked, prodded and debunked pretty quickly.  Unlike getting the bureaucrats to admit they mislead the public which takes decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look if you get all these bloggers "spreading “believable but misleading” information..." then who will believe the "believable but misleading" information the government or other powers that be put out.  Bureaucrats hate competition.  Look what bloggers did to Dan Rather over the TX NG letters?  That was some perfectly good believable but misleading information that went to waste before it could have the desired effect.</p>
<p>The thing is that if you only read the internet for 5 minutes, you may be mislead.  But if you read it for 15 minutes, you'll find that the misleading information gets poked, prodded and debunked pretty quickly.  Unlike getting the bureaucrats to admit they mislead the public which takes decades.</p>
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		<title>By: RWB</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim:

Things are different in a post 9/11 world</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim:</p>
<p>Things are different in a post 9/11 world</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We cannot afford the first ammendment when lives are on the line.

Posted by RWB &#124; January 31, 2008 &#124; 12:10 pm&lt;/blockquote&gt; 


RWB couldn&#039;t have that more bass-ackwarkd if he tried.

Lives are to be placed on the line &lt;em&gt;in order&lt;/em&gt; that we preserve and defend The Constiution.

Were not our Founder&#039;s signatures on the Delcaration of Independence signed under the phrase:  &quot;With our Lives and Sacred Honor&quot; ?  Or was that just hyperbole on their part?

Oh, and that whole American Revolution thing, you know, where &lt;em&gt;thousands&lt;/em&gt; of lives were not only put on the line, put paid in blood, and that in full measure, that our God given rights and freedoms might be secured.

Lives on the line, you say.  And of what worth does the trifle of a sentiment like yours make the many hundreds of thousands of lives already given in defense of our freedoms and our Constituion in lo, these past 235 years, hmmm?

RWB, enjoy your chains; may they rest easy upon your weak, pathetic shoulders.


Jim
Sloop New Dawn
Galveston, TX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We cannot afford the first ammendment when lives are on the line.</p>
<p>Posted by RWB | January 31, 2008 | 12:10 pm</p></blockquote>
<p>RWB couldn't have that more bass-ackwarkd if he tried.</p>
<p>Lives are to be placed on the line <em>in order</em> that we preserve and defend The Constiution.</p>
<p>Were not our Founder's signatures on the Delcaration of Independence signed under the phrase:  "With our Lives and Sacred Honor" ?  Or was that just hyperbole on their part?</p>
<p>Oh, and that whole American Revolution thing, you know, where <em>thousands</em> of lives were not only put on the line, put paid in blood, and that in full measure, that our God given rights and freedoms might be secured.</p>
<p>Lives on the line, you say.  And of what worth does the trifle of a sentiment like yours make the many hundreds of thousands of lives already given in defense of our freedoms and our Constituion in lo, these past 235 years, hmmm?</p>
<p>RWB, enjoy your chains; may they rest easy upon your weak, pathetic shoulders.</p>
<p>Jim<br />
Sloop New Dawn<br />
Galveston, TX</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Quick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Quick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We cannot afford the first ammendment when lives are on the line.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Nice troll, there, RWB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We cannot afford the first ammendment when lives are on the line.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nice troll, there, RWB.</p>
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		<title>By: chaos</title>
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		<dc:creator>chaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said at InMuscatine, you guys are misrepresenting this story.

Blogs could very well be used as part of a concerted effort to spread panic through financial markets and/or the general public through misinformation, and this exercise was intended to help prepare government officials for that possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said at InMuscatine, you guys are misrepresenting this story.</p>
<p>Blogs could very well be used as part of a concerted effort to spread panic through financial markets and/or the general public through misinformation, and this exercise was intended to help prepare government officials for that possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: RWB</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The AP is publishing cyber-security planning scenarios, thus making it easy for the enemy to know what’s not being planned for.&quot;

As I have said before - until we win the war on terror ALL news (blogs) should be passed through governement censors to be sure we do not give terrorists any usefull intelligence.  We cannot afford the first ammendment when lives are on the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The AP is publishing cyber-security planning scenarios, thus making it easy for the enemy to know what&rsquo;s not being planned for."</p>
<p>As I have said before - until we win the war on terror ALL news (blogs) should be passed through governement censors to be sure we do not give terrorists any usefull intelligence.  We cannot afford the first ammendment when lives are on the line.</p>
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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feds&#8217; cyberterror defenses include new threat: Bloggers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feds&#8217; cyberterror defenses include new threat: Bloggers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Joyner wonders why bloggers would need to pass along state secrets or enemy propaganda when the AP and New York Times are already so good at it. The &#8220;unwitting dupe&#8221; scenario is more likely &#8212; some of the early false reports about 9/11, like Flight 93 landing in Cleveland, are alive and well in some unwell quarters today &#8212; but if anything, the collective intelligence of the &#8217;sphere would help to debunk rumors, not spread them. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Joyner wonders why bloggers would need to pass along state secrets or enemy propaganda when the AP and New York Times are already so good at it. The &#8220;unwitting dupe&#8221; scenario is more likely &#8212; some of the early false reports about 9/11, like Flight 93 landing in Cleveland, are alive and well in some unwell quarters today &#8212; but if anything, the collective intelligence of the &#8217;sphere would help to debunk rumors, not spread them. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wizbang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wizbang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Bloggers a threat to National Security...&lt;/strong&gt;

Trains, planes, and bloggers. WASHINGTON - It&#039;s the government&#039;s idea of a really bad day: Washington&#039;s Metro trains shut down. Seaport computers in New York go dark. Bloggers reveal locations......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Bloggers a threat to National Security...</strong></p>
<p>Trains, planes, and bloggers. WASHINGTON - It's the government's idea of a really bad day: Washington's Metro trains shut down. Seaport computers in New York go dark. Bloggers reveal locations......</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It actually makes sense to me. Think about how various memes get taken up in the blogosphere. Is it so hard to believe that you could never see a false meme started. Imagine your own site being hacked, directing people to go somewhere a bomb was going to go off. 

At one time, a few phone calls could shut down a news story (for good or ill). Now, the gate keeper function s gone. While that is a good thing in peace time, is it really so hard to imagine it being a potential problem in war time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It actually makes sense to me. Think about how various memes get taken up in the blogosphere. Is it so hard to believe that you could never see a false meme started. Imagine your own site being hacked, directing people to go somewhere a bomb was going to go off. </p>
<p>At one time, a few phone calls could shut down a news story (for good or ill). Now, the gate keeper function s gone. While that is a good thing in peace time, is it really so hard to imagine it being a potential problem in war time?</p>
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		<title>By: &#160; Aside: Bloggers National Security Threat&#160;&#8212;&#160;Pirate&#8217;s Cove</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#160; Aside: Bloggers National Security Threat&#160;&#8212;&#160;Pirate&#8217;s Cove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Did you know bloggers are national security threats? Get the 411 at Outside The Beltway. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Did you know bloggers are national security threats? Get the 411 at Outside The Beltway. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Global Security Watch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Security Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Bloggers National Security Threat!...&lt;/strong&gt;

[Source: Outside The Beltway &#124; OTB] quoted: war game, according to hundreds of pages of heavily censored files obtained by The Associated Press. The Homeland Security Department ran the exercise to test the nation&#8217;s hacker defenses, with hel...</description>
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<p>[Source: Outside The Beltway &#124; OTB] quoted: war game, according to hundreds of pages of heavily censored files obtained by The Associated Press. The Homeland Security Department ran the exercise to test the nation&#8217;s hacker defenses, with hel...</p>
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