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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bob_barr_conference_call/comment-page-1/#comment-464899</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barr&#039;s campaign manager is Russ Verney (not Birney).</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
300 million people and we have to chose our president from the bottom of the barrel.
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It&#039;s not a new phenomenon.  Going on 100 years ago H. L. Mencken characterized our form of government as &#147;boobocracy&#148;;  a system under which a bunch of boobs got together and picked the biggest boob as president.</description>
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300 million people and we have to chose our president from the bottom of the barrel.
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<p>It's not a new phenomenon.  Going on 100 years ago H. L. Mencken characterized our form of government as &#8220;boobocracy&#8221;;  a system under which a bunch of boobs got together and picked the biggest boob as president.</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>300 million people and we have to chose our president from the bottom of the barrel. If you believe these candidates aren&#039;t the bottom of the barrel, then we are in even worse trouble than I thought!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>300 million people and we have to chose our president from the bottom of the barrel. If you believe these candidates aren't the bottom of the barrel, then we are in even worse trouble than I thought!</p>
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		<title>By: jeff b</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bob_barr_conference_call/comment-page-1/#comment-460012</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an nice fantasy Lance, and very entertaining, but I think you are projecting.  The fact that a lot of people are unhappy with McCain does not translate into a lot of people being unhappy with both major party candidates.  Obama is quite popular.  The idea that Democrats are not going to vote for Obama is 100% myth.  There has never been any evidence to support it, other than the claims of a handful of hystericals who said they were Clinton supporters but then it turned out they were all Republicans.

Barr is lacking two things that Perot had going for him: billions and billions of dollars, and a memorable personality.  Without those he&#039;s going nowhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's an nice fantasy Lance, and very entertaining, but I think you are projecting.  The fact that a lot of people are unhappy with McCain does not translate into a lot of people being unhappy with both major party candidates.  Obama is quite popular.  The idea that Democrats are not going to vote for Obama is 100% myth.  There has never been any evidence to support it, other than the claims of a handful of hystericals who said they were Clinton supporters but then it turned out they were all Republicans.</p>
<p>Barr is lacking two things that Perot had going for him: billions and billions of dollars, and a memorable personality.  Without those he's going nowhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Barr could somehow attain an equal media profile, there&#039;s no reason why he couldn&#039;t make it a 3-way race. There are certainly enough potential voters who aren&#039;t committed to either of the two major parties to provide the percentage points.

Ross Perot and Jesse Ventura have both shown that outsider candidates can accomplish serious percentage climbs in a relatively short period of time, once awareness of them becomes widespread, and the media starts to talk about them as a potential real threat.

So, theoretically, it could go like this:

Barr, currently at ~5%, gets some major attention-getting endorsements, or has some sort of fortuitous publicity coup (like when Giuliani and Ron Paul quibbled at a debate, propelling Paul into the news mainstream). He tops 10% in national polls, 15% in select states.

The media shifts the story from &quot;spoiler&quot; (and Ralph Nader comparisons) to &quot;will he get in the debates?&quot; (and Ross Perot comparisons). Barr starts topping 15% in polls. The CPD miraculously doesn&#039;t find/make up some other reason to exclude him, so he gets in the debates.

If Barr got in the debates, he would come out looking like the winner, or at least the upset/surprise. He would be polling at ~25%, and certain targeted polls would give indicators that folks are willing to consider him as a real potential president. 

From there, Barr would be in the place where Perot was in &#039;92, meaning, in a position to win it if he can play his cards right. Perot in &#039;92 played his cards about as poorly as one could imagine, and still made an incredible showing. Barr would be unlikely to stumble anywhere near as badly as Perot did. 

Folks assume that voters aren&#039;t interested in considering another candidate beyond the two &quot;major&quot; ones, but history has shown that&#039;s not true. It&#039;s largely up to the media, and how they decide to paint the story. Find a mainstream news website that has Barr alongside Obama and McCain, on an equal footing visibility-wise. I don&#039;t think such a site exists.

If Barr can top 10% and stay above it, the story will have to shift, and at that point, anything is possible. People forget that there was a time when a lot of people seriously (and reasonably) believed that Perot could potentially win the presidency. That phenomena is going to happen again. Maybe not this time, but it will happen. And it will start at around 3-6% in the polls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Barr could somehow attain an equal media profile, there's no reason why he couldn't make it a 3-way race. There are certainly enough potential voters who aren't committed to either of the two major parties to provide the percentage points.</p>
<p>Ross Perot and Jesse Ventura have both shown that outsider candidates can accomplish serious percentage climbs in a relatively short period of time, once awareness of them becomes widespread, and the media starts to talk about them as a potential real threat.</p>
<p>So, theoretically, it could go like this:</p>
<p>Barr, currently at ~5%, gets some major attention-getting endorsements, or has some sort of fortuitous publicity coup (like when Giuliani and Ron Paul quibbled at a debate, propelling Paul into the news mainstream). He tops 10% in national polls, 15% in select states.</p>
<p>The media shifts the story from "spoiler" (and Ralph Nader comparisons) to "will he get in the debates?" (and Ross Perot comparisons). Barr starts topping 15% in polls. The CPD miraculously doesn't find/make up some other reason to exclude him, so he gets in the debates.</p>
<p>If Barr got in the debates, he would come out looking like the winner, or at least the upset/surprise. He would be polling at ~25%, and certain targeted polls would give indicators that folks are willing to consider him as a real potential president. </p>
<p>From there, Barr would be in the place where Perot was in '92, meaning, in a position to win it if he can play his cards right. Perot in '92 played his cards about as poorly as one could imagine, and still made an incredible showing. Barr would be unlikely to stumble anywhere near as badly as Perot did. </p>
<p>Folks assume that voters aren't interested in considering another candidate beyond the two "major" ones, but history has shown that's not true. It's largely up to the media, and how they decide to paint the story. Find a mainstream news website that has Barr alongside Obama and McCain, on an equal footing visibility-wise. I don't think such a site exists.</p>
<p>If Barr can top 10% and stay above it, the story will have to shift, and at that point, anything is possible. People forget that there was a time when a lot of people seriously (and reasonably) believed that Perot could potentially win the presidency. That phenomena is going to happen again. Maybe not this time, but it will happen. And it will start at around 3-6% in the polls.</p>
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		<title>By: Deleted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deleted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Deeptoad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deeptoad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should have listened to Ron Paul.</description>
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		<title>By: mill</title>
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		<dc:creator>mill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time for pitchforks and torches vs Beltway.</description>
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		<title>By: mill</title>
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		<dc:creator>mill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama yo mama vs McCain= Douchebag vs Turdsammich.

What a lousy choice.  On purpose.  Feeling manipulated yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama yo mama vs McCain= Douchebag vs Turdsammich.</p>
<p>What a lousy choice.  On purpose.  Feeling manipulated yet?</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynthia Mckinney &#039;08!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynthia Mckinney '08!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick T. McGuire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick T. McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Against my better judgement that you are right about Barr being a spoiler, I would love to see him win and so plan on voting for him. Which really isn&#039;t much of a problem because if Barr can&#039;t get it, I would prefer BO to win. 

For y&#039;all inside the Beltway it may come as news but there is a tremendous degree of discontent out here in the hinterlands about the quality of both the two major candidates. Many Democrats are swearing to either vote for McCain or sit this one out and there are many Republican equivalents out here.

Wouldn&#039;t it indeed be interesting if there are enough of us to actually get Barr elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Against my better judgement that you are right about Barr being a spoiler, I would love to see him win and so plan on voting for him. Which really isn't much of a problem because if Barr can't get it, I would prefer BO to win. </p>
<p>For y'all inside the Beltway it may come as news but there is a tremendous degree of discontent out here in the hinterlands about the quality of both the two major candidates. Many Democrats are swearing to either vote for McCain or sit this one out and there are many Republican equivalents out here.</p>
<p>Wouldn't it indeed be interesting if there are enough of us to actually get Barr elected.</p>
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		<title>By: Fence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most small-l libertarians are generally distrustful of the government&#039;s competence, but not to the point of opposing government role where government is really our only chance.  Like much of criminal law, environmental protection is such an issue.  Sure, there may be way too much red tape to protect the West Broward Fairy Shrimp when the East Broward subspecies is booming, and not enough protection on more comprehensive issues of overall ecosystem protection and conservation.  But the Bush head-in-sand God-wanted-us-to-subdue -Earth approach is so obviously wrong for a society such as ours that can afford better that I find myself forced left on this issue even though much of the Democrats&#039; agenda here is overdone or misprioritized.  It is one of the few or maybe only domestic economic issues where I am more comfortable (or less uncomfortable) with the Dems than GOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most small-l libertarians are generally distrustful of the government's competence, but not to the point of opposing government role where government is really our only chance.  Like much of criminal law, environmental protection is such an issue.  Sure, there may be way too much red tape to protect the West Broward Fairy Shrimp when the East Broward subspecies is booming, and not enough protection on more comprehensive issues of overall ecosystem protection and conservation.  But the Bush head-in-sand God-wanted-us-to-subdue -Earth approach is so obviously wrong for a society such as ours that can afford better that I find myself forced left on this issue even though much of the Democrats' agenda here is overdone or misprioritized.  It is one of the few or maybe only domestic economic issues where I am more comfortable (or less uncomfortable) with the Dems than GOP.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Was there any mention of climate change in the interview? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nope. The summary above was the entirety of the Q&amp;A, although I&#039;m sure I didn&#039;t capture every thought.  But there was only about 20 minutes of discussion with Barr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Was there any mention of climate change in the interview? </p></blockquote>
<p>Nope. The summary above was the entirety of the Q&#038;A, although I'm sure I didn't capture every thought.  But there was only about 20 minutes of discussion with Barr.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey W. Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey W. Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Libertarian position on global warming is that there is no position on global warming.  Capitalized Libertarians believe in absolute property rights, so any harm to the environment is irrelevant.  It&#039;s all part of man&#039;s right to exploit nature, or at least the part he holds deed and title to, as he sees fit.

Tellingly, there is no issue page on climate change at lp.org, but there was a poll a month back titled &quot;What is the cause of &#039;global warming&#039;?&quot; in which 66% of 526 lp.org visitors indicated either that global warming is not real, or it is not anthropogenic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Libertarian position on global warming is that there is no position on global warming.  Capitalized Libertarians believe in absolute property rights, so any harm to the environment is irrelevant.  It's all part of man's right to exploit nature, or at least the part he holds deed and title to, as he sees fit.</p>
<p>Tellingly, there is no issue page on climate change at lp.org, but there was a poll a month back titled "What is the cause of 'global warming'?" in which 66% of 526 lp.org visitors indicated either that global warming is not real, or it is not anthropogenic.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Barr Conferrence Call Today</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Barr Conferrence Call Today</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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