I think one thing that keeps students from dropping while in Prison Camp is the (intended) psychological stress they're under. Many, many students very quickly start believing that what they're experiencing is real.

Since I have no imagination, I knew I had orders to leave for my next school on Saturday, so it couldn't go on any longer than that. At least that one time, my shortcoming did me a favor. :)

The answer is NO, I wouldn't want him to be like you. But then again, you both have a lot in common. You both know everything and are the Worlds foremost authority here on OTB.

What do you call a shredding? In the PBS article you cite as "proof" Al Queda was in Iraq before the war, the editor notes that there has been no verification of any of his claims and that they consider his claims to be suspect, a matter he has refused to discuss in the years since the original interview.

I mean, this stuff would get you laughed out of a high school debate club.

Editors response to McGhee's "proof":

>Editor's Note, November 2005: More than two years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, there has been no verification of Khodada's account of the activities at Salman Pak. In fact, U.S. officials have now concluded that Salman Pak was most likely used to train Iraqi counter-terrorism units in anti-hijacking techniques.

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Since it's a simulation of an enemy POW camp (in addition to other stuff), they get pretty rough.

Attention slap? Yup.

Belly slap? Not that I can recall.

Attention grab? Only about every 2 seconds.

Long time standing? Well, we had to do something while we were waiting for the next Attention Slap.

Cold cell? I don't think so, but one of my classmates spent an extended amount of time wearing nothing but his underwear, sitting in a shallow pond. In Maine. In November.

Water boarding? Nope, definitely not.

But there were a few others that I haven't heard mentioned under the "torture" appellation. Like being folded into a wooden box in an extremely uncomfortable position for an extended period, while the guards would periodically walk by and beat the box with a bat or something similar.

Or having my face shoved into the bowl of a pipe containing the most rancid tobacco I've ever come across, while an interrogator blew hard through the pipe and into my face.

Or watching while a Bible was destroyed.

Or being forced to shine the interrogator's shoes with the US flag.

There were probably some others that I've forgotten. But that's just a sample. SERE school was fun.

Just show us where I said Bush was AWOL. Simple request. Don't talk about it, show us. Or are you lying about what I said?

Herb, I am puzzled: what would you prefer Anjin-san complain about?

I think Anjin could probably do a nice riff on the stretch-marks he gets under his armpits when he wears his belt too tight.

I am still waiting for you to show a post of mine where I said Bush was AWOL

That would be the one right before I first called you Bill Burkett. Jeez, do try to keep up, will you?

Oh yea, for that matter you did not comment after your claim that Salman Pak was used by Al Queda was shredded.

Your definition of "shredded" is non-standard.

For everyones sake, GET OUT OF THE PAST.

You are a broken record. You never, never come with anything origional and only consistantly and constantly dwell on the past.

Are you a Dinosaur, or a Neanderthal? Or Both

I am still waiting for you to show a post of mine where I said Bush was AWOL, as you claim I did, or hear your response do my documentation of his early exit from the guard to go to Harvard while there was a shooting war going on.

Oh yea, for that matter you did not comment after your claim that Salman Pak was used by Al Queda was shredded. What a suprise.

Apparently, some people here haven't been around long enough to remember when military service was not voluntary.

Max Boot's arguments still stands.

Right on, but in the mind of Anjin, the terrorists his buddies, have already won and the US is doomed.

Anjin:

Tell us again how Bush lied, or how bad the US is, or how you are a true blue American, or any other of your Hate America thoughts.

And then you'll be sorry.

Can we please move on? The argument has been skewed since the beginning by those whom wish to use a broad brush in defining torture.

I have a better idea, why don't those who do not want the US to 'condone' torture define what the US may do to interrogate prisoners.