Comments on: Border Wars

By: floyd

floyd — Sat, 06 May 2006 01:40:03 +0000

james; agreed, so we should start to arrest and fine those who employ illegals. it's like speeding, punish the obvious ones and the rest will mitigate their behavior at least to some degree.

By: James Joyner

James Joyner — Thu, 04 May 2006 14:15:47 +0000

Floyd,

I support borders and controlling who crosses them. In practice, however, we're not going to be able to staunch the flood of illegals coming from Mexico to work without turning ourself into a police state. The incentive is just too high and the border too long. I'm not willing to station snipers out there with shoot to kill orders or have people being subjected to showing their papers any time an official demands them.

By: floyd

floyd — Thu, 04 May 2006 01:30:09 +0000

steve; read the fourth paragragh, first sentence. james is about as articulate as you and i together [at least] he can speak for himself if he chooses.

By: Steve Verdon

Steve Verdon — Wed, 03 May 2006 17:32:49 +0000

james; no borders , no control, no law, what is the basis for my support of a federal government at all?

Floyd,

James made no such implications...at all.

By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III

Zelsdorf Ragshaft III — Wed, 03 May 2006 04:00:20 +0000

If I rob a bank, am I rewarded because I spend the money, which is good for the economy? Amnesty was not the correct solution in the 80's and it is not the solution now. How dare illegals demand rights. Just like a bad search, nothing that flows from the poison tree is useable. Illegal aliens must be compelled to return to the land of their origin. We must show there is no reward for breaking our laws. That they do jobs no one wants is BS. All they do is lower wage expectation for all labor. They all did not cross the border in one day. It is not reasonable to believe we can return them to their own country in a short period of time, but we have a government agency tasked with just such a job. It is time they earn their pay. The only other solution is to annex Mexico.

By: mannning

mannning — Wed, 03 May 2006 03:04:44 +0000

Further, amends should involve learning about the US, its mores, its culture, and its laws. Most of all, they must learn English at least at the high school level. I believe in the six years for the program for citizenship, and in fines for breaking the laws, plus paying back taxes if indicated.

To get a handle on this problem will take many years, and keeping the borders open will only make it worse. Just the deportation part will take resources of a significant amount in budget, manpower, and facilities. We also need a herd of Solomons to make the decisions as to who can stay and who must be deported. But this must happen, or we will face MS13 and who knows what other gang problems.

By: mannning

mannning — Wed, 03 May 2006 02:35:12 +0000

You are conflating legal with illegal immigration. That is a huge mistake. There is no particular problem with legal immigration, in fact it is welcome.

Illegals, on the other hand have by and large violated perhaps three or four laws of the land to get here and stay here. Not only crossing the border illegally, but also using false identification, false social security cards, and false visas/green cards, and who knows what else. Many of these worshippers of the US system fill our prisons- 40% in California prisons.
We need to be far more selective at the border, which involves keeping the illegals from crossing easily. We need to prosecute those who hire illegals against the law, and we need to empower all law enforcement to be able to arrest and start deportation of these illegals.

However, we do need to raise the quotas for legal immigration, and allow temporary entry for workers who have a job waiting, but with careful ID and tracking over time.

Those who are here now illegally should be required to register and be identified, or be deported. No amnesty. No citizenship for lawbreakers, unless thay make amends.

By: Ed

Ed — Wed, 03 May 2006 02:00:20 +0000

It is not about Latino culture, it is about ILLEGALS.
By the way, apples were for cider almost exclusively. It wasn't until prohibition that we started eating apples/pies, etc. in any great numbers.

By: floyd

floyd — Wed, 03 May 2006 01:31:01 +0000

james; no borders , no control, no law, what is the basis for my support of a federal government at all? enforcement at gun point is the only basis left apparently, but of course that doesn't apply to illegal entry or trespass. do you wish to abolish trespass laws altogether? i'm sick of paying over half of everything i make to a country who openly declares my apparent race& gender, the enemy and cause every problem on the planet.the only message i get from all this is "shut-up and pay or else!"

By: floyd

floyd — Wed, 03 May 2006 01:13:40 +0000

note to the stupid sign writer;1] america is TWO continents, not one and 2] i can call MY country any d*mned thing I please !

By: whatever

whatever — Wed, 03 May 2006 00:36:05 +0000

According to Demographics magazine, California is over 50% Hispanic in total population (legal and illegal), and Texas will be soon.

By: anon

anon — Wed, 03 May 2006 00:30:59 +0000

I can't send my children to public schools since they have come so overrun with non-English speakers. Hospital services are non-existant in many parts of the state due to the influx of illegals that bankrupted the county services.

You cannot compare earlier waves of immigration when there were little to no social services to the current one, which is putting extreme burdens on taxpayers and states for social services. There are many, many things that are not getting done for those who were born here in order to support the flood of those who are breaking our laws and entering here illegally.

Our country welcomes those who wish to become "United Statesians", but a very large percentage of those who break our laws to come here don't fit that mold.

By: oldradus

oldradus — Tue, 02 May 2006 20:05:04 +0000

President Bush and the Corrupticans in D.C. are very effectively restoring the luster of hard-left politics in the U.S. Is there no one who will dare call this a conspiracy?

By: davod

davod — Tue, 02 May 2006 19:51:28 +0000

Back to elections every six months.

By: Bhoe

Bhoe — Tue, 02 May 2006 19:45:41 +0000

I use the term in the same way that the Census Bureau does. Mostly, itâ��s about language rather than specific culture.

Ok, James, thanks for the clarification.

So when you say that "Folks are worried about the substitution of their culture for another" are you referring to anxiety about language?

If so, is there anyone who REALLY sees the substitution of English with Spanish as even a remote possibility?