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		<title>By: Consul-At-Arms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Consul-At-Arms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for covering this.  I&#039;ve linked to you here:  http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2006/07/re-breaking-new-pentagon-memo-gives.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for covering this.  I've linked to you here:  <a href="http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2006/07/re-breaking-new-pentagon-memo-gives.html" rel="nofollow">http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2006/07/re-breaking-new-pentagon-memo-gives.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Webmaster Ranking Forums &#187; BREAKING: New Pentagon Memo Gives All Detainees Geneva Protections blog breaking news</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webmaster Ranking Forums &#187; BREAKING: New Pentagon Memo Gives All Detainees Geneva Protections blog breaking news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Outside Beltway - UPDATE : A Blog For All explores the unintended consequences of this decision. UPDATE : McQ at The QandO Blog thinks this is &#8230; and refer to this post. Those doing it manually should ensure they have linked the post before sending the TrackBack ping.Read more&#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Heretik &#187; 2006 &#187; July &#187; 11</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Heretik &#187; 2006 &#187; July &#187; 11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yeah, what he said: &#8220;Alberto Mora, the former Navy judge-advocate general who was one of the most vocal internal critics of the Pentagon’s detainee policies, told the FT the move was a “marvellous development”.&#8221; Not what he said: &#8220;Bush spokesman Tony Snow claimed that this apparent about-face is “not really a reversal of policy,” while admitting that it stems directly from the Supreme Court’s striking down of Bush’s military tribunals.&#8221; Sounds like black is white thinking lives on. Plus is this really the end of torture? &#8220;As far as the military is concerned, America is America again. And this president&#8217;s brutality has been reined in.&#8221; And the distinctions are clear here, but what are they? &#8220;The distinction between humanely treating detainees and allowing due process generally as outlined by Geneva and actually giving suspected terrorists protections under Geneva is an important one which has been completely lost in this debate over how to handle detainees. And don&#8217;t forget: The statement by the Pentagon covers only those held by DOD. CIA held detaiinees remain out of luck. And out of the light. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yeah, what he said: &#8220;Alberto Mora, the former Navy judge-advocate general who was one of the most vocal internal critics of the Pentagon&rsquo;s detainee policies, told the FT the move was a “marvellous development”.&#8221; Not what he said: &#8220;Bush spokesman Tony Snow claimed that this apparent about-face is “not really a reversal of policy,” while admitting that it stems directly from the Supreme Court&rsquo;s striking down of Bush&rsquo;s military tribunals.&#8221; Sounds like black is white thinking lives on. Plus is this really the end of torture? &#8220;As far as the military is concerned, America is America again. And this president&#8217;s brutality has been reined in.&#8221; And the distinctions are clear here, but what are they? &#8220;The distinction between humanely treating detainees and allowing due process generally as outlined by Geneva and actually giving suspected terrorists protections under Geneva is an important one which has been completely lost in this debate over how to handle detainees. And don&#8217;t forget: The statement by the Pentagon covers only those held by DOD. CIA held detaiinees remain out of luck. And out of the light. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Andersen, you really believe that waterboarding is costing us the GWOT?  I thought you were smarter than that.&lt;/em&gt;

Count me a dim bulb along with LTGEN Petraeus and Sir Richard Dearlove, then.

&lt;i&gt;Just for your info, we DO treat the enemy more humanely than they do us.&lt;/i&gt;

Right, we don&#039;t behead our prisoners on TV.  Great!  I guess &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; means we&#039;re doing &lt;em&gt;everything right&lt;/em&gt;.  To quote, &quot;I thought you were smarter than that.&quot;  (Not really.)

And I see that I did indeed double-comment at the top of the thread.  Mea culpa.  Must get on better terms with the spam filter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Andersen, you really believe that waterboarding is costing us the GWOT?  I thought you were smarter than that.</em></p>
<p>Count me a dim bulb along with LTGEN Petraeus and Sir Richard Dearlove, then.</p>
<p><i>Just for your info, we DO treat the enemy more humanely than they do us.</i></p>
<p>Right, we don't behead our prisoners on TV.  Great!  I guess <em>that</em> means we're doing <em>everything right</em>.  To quote, "I thought you were smarter than that."  (Not really.)</p>
<p>And I see that I did indeed double-comment at the top of the thread.  Mea culpa.  Must get on better terms with the spam filter.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Has anyone bothered to look at the actual memo?&lt;/em&gt;

Why, yes--me, first comment in this thread.

If you&#039;ll take a look at the Marty Lederman link which I provided there, you&#039;ll see how pathetic the memo&#039;s assertion is.

But you&#039;re exactly right that the memo does exactly squat, which makes you smarter than every journalist breathlessly writing about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Has anyone bothered to look at the actual memo?</em></p>
<p>Why, yes--me, first comment in this thread.</p>
<p>If you'll take a look at the Marty Lederman link which I provided there, you'll see how pathetic the memo's assertion is.</p>
<p>But you're exactly right that the memo does exactly squat, which makes you smarter than every journalist breathlessly writing about it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Pentagon revises Gitmo policy...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone bothered to look at the actual &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclearpolitics.com/blog/2006/07/dod_memo_on_terror_detainees_j.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;memo&lt;/a&gt;?

&quot;It is my understanding that, aside from the military commission procedures, existing DoD orders, policies, directives, executive orders and doctrine comply with the standards of Common Article 3 and therefore actions by the DoD personal that comply with such issuances would comply with Common Article 3. ... In addition, you will recall the President&#039;s prior directive that &quot;the United States Armed Forces shall continue to treat detainee humanely&quot;, humane treatment being the overarching requirement of Common article 3.

So the memo is saying we already are complying with the Geneva convention, except for the military commissions. So since the alternative to the military commissions is to hold everyone for the duration (as opposed to the military commissions which were trying to sort out who could go home early), all this is really saying is if we caught &#039;em, we keep &#039;em and keep doing what we do to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone bothered to look at the actual <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/blog/2006/07/dod_memo_on_terror_detainees_j.html" rel="nofollow">memo</a>?</p>
<p>"It is my understanding that, aside from the military commission procedures, existing DoD orders, policies, directives, executive orders and doctrine comply with the standards of Common Article 3 and therefore actions by the DoD personal that comply with such issuances would comply with Common Article 3. ... In addition, you will recall the President's prior directive that "the United States Armed Forces shall continue to treat detainee humanely", humane treatment being the overarching requirement of Common article 3.</p>
<p>So the memo is saying we already are complying with the Geneva convention, except for the military commissions. So since the alternative to the military commissions is to hold everyone for the duration (as opposed to the military commissions which were trying to sort out who could go home early), all this is really saying is if we caught 'em, we keep 'em and keep doing what we do to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberty and Justice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberty and Justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Pentagon Pledges To Treat Detainees According To Geneva Convention...&lt;/strong&gt;

We (the West) are - indeed - fighting a brutal enemy. As I wrote on numerous occasions, I am in favor of an aggressive policy towards terrorists and regimes that support them. But, while fighting against this brutal enemy we should not let go of the la...</description>
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<p>We (the West) are - indeed - fighting a brutal enemy. As I wrote on numerous occasions, I am in favor of an aggressive policy towards terrorists and regimes that support them. But, while fighting against this brutal enemy we should not let go of the la...</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With today&#039;s terrorist bombings in India in mind, we have 5 US Supreme Court Justices that have the duty and obligation to inform the Indian Government that any of the bombing suspects captured are to be treated with all the rights afforded &quot;Prisoners of War&quot; under the Geneva Convention. 

After all, these 5 &quot;Bastards of America&quot; are constantly and consistently citing &quot;Foreign Law&quot; as a basis for their decisions and they should &quot;Insist&quot; that the Indian Government are to adhere to their Ruling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With today's terrorist bombings in India in mind, we have 5 US Supreme Court Justices that have the duty and obligation to inform the Indian Government that any of the bombing suspects captured are to be treated with all the rights afforded "Prisoners of War" under the Geneva Convention. </p>
<p>After all, these 5 "Bastards of America" are constantly and consistently citing "Foreign Law" as a basis for their decisions and they should "Insist" that the Indian Government are to adhere to their Ruling.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morons.

We are not &#039;blowing up innocent people&#039; in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Check your sources.  The vast majority of bombing of innocents is by roadside bombs, car bombs, and bomb vests.  Not exactly our MO.  But hey, Matt, thanks for your support.

Andersen, you really believe that waterboarding is costing us the GWOT?  I thought you were smarter than that.  Just for your info, we DO treat the enemy more humanely than they do us. Thanks also, for your support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morons.</p>
<p>We are not 'blowing up innocent people' in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Check your sources.  The vast majority of bombing of innocents is by roadside bombs, car bombs, and bomb vests.  Not exactly our MO.  But hey, Matt, thanks for your support.</p>
<p>Andersen, you really believe that waterboarding is costing us the GWOT?  I thought you were smarter than that.  Just for your info, we DO treat the enemy more humanely than they do us. Thanks also, for your support.</p>
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		<title>By: Say Anything</title>
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		<dc:creator>Say Anything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Pentagon: Gitmo Detainees Entitled To Geneva Protections...&lt;/strong&gt;

Just as the terrorists release video and images showing the decapitation of two of our troops the Pentagon has decided to announce that their colleagues being held down at Guantanamo Bay are entitled to Geneva Convention protections. Nice timing guys.....</description>
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<p>Just as the terrorists release video and images showing the decapitation of two of our troops the Pentagon has decided to announce that their colleagues being held down at Guantanamo Bay are entitled to Geneva Convention protections. Nice timing guys.....</p>
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		<title>By: madmatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>madmatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well gee anderson....that army manual seems to be working so well these days seeing as we are close to losing in Iraq and Afghanistan these days....maybe this is another case of liberals being right...you know like they were on wmd&#039;s, uranium purchases, prisoner treatment at guantanamo, and numerous non war issues!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well gee anderson....that army manual seems to be working so well these days seeing as we are close to losing in Iraq and Afghanistan these days....maybe this is another case of liberals being right...you know like they were on wmd's, uranium purchases, prisoner treatment at guantanamo, and numerous non war issues!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If you ever want to turn the tide we need to show that there is a diffence in how we treat people!&lt;/em&gt; 

Oh, come on, madmatt, that kind of moonbat thinking is fit only for liberal Democrats ... and the authors of the Army counterinsurgency manual ... and the former chief of MI6 ... none of whom, obviously, has the same genius for the GWOT of various OTB commenters and other brigades of the 101st Fighting Keyboarders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If you ever want to turn the tide we need to show that there is a diffence in how we treat people!</em> </p>
<p>Oh, come on, madmatt, that kind of moonbat thinking is fit only for liberal Democrats ... and the authors of the Army counterinsurgency manual ... and the former chief of MI6 ... none of whom, obviously, has the same genius for the GWOT of various OTB commenters and other brigades of the 101st Fighting Keyboarders.</p>
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		<title>By: carpeicthus</title>
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		<dc:creator>carpeicthus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your point about the &quot;protection under geneva&quot; is interesting and worth unpacking, but it seems to fall in the links under the &quot;torture is awesome&quot; impulse. Torture doesn&#039;t work. It doesn&#039;t give us more valid intel. It forces us to chase our tails with a bunch of garbage spouted by people who will tell us anything so we&#039;ll stop driving them to the very edge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your point about the "protection under geneva" is interesting and worth unpacking, but it seems to fall in the links under the "torture is awesome" impulse. Torture doesn't work. It doesn't give us more valid intel. It forces us to chase our tails with a bunch of garbage spouted by people who will tell us anything so we'll stop driving them to the very edge.</p>
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		<title>By: The Heretik</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Heretik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Light...&lt;/strong&gt;


It&#8217;s about time.
In a sweeping change of policy, the Pentagon has decided that it will treat all detainees in compliance with the minimum standards spelled out in the Geneva conventions, a senior defense official said today.
The right way has be...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Light...</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s about time.<br />
In a sweeping change of policy, the Pentagon has decided that it will treat all detainees in compliance with the minimum standards spelled out in the Geneva conventions, a senior defense official said today.<br />
The right way has be...</p>
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