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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“Pros and cons of DIY dentistry” at BBC has to bring a smile.&quot;&quot;
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Yes, but is it a kind of Alfred E.Neuman smile, all yellow with teeth missing?
 On a serious note,the advent of dental insurance,a relative &quot;johnny come lately&quot; to the insurance business,seems to have caused a huge increase in the cost of dentistry,and   subsequently a larger &quot;cavity&quot; in household budgets around the country.[purely anecdotal]
 However, if you find the cost of dentistry &quot;unpalatable&quot; then you should &quot;brace yourself&quot; at the cost of orthodontia!</description>
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<p>Yes, but is it a kind of Alfred E.Neuman smile, all yellow with teeth missing?<br />
 On a serious note,the advent of dental insurance,a relative "johnny come lately" to the insurance business,seems to have caused a huge increase in the cost of dentistry,and   subsequently a larger "cavity" in household budgets around the country.[purely anecdotal]<br />
 However, if you find the cost of dentistry "unpalatable" then you should "brace yourself" at the cost of orthodontia!</p>
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		<title>By: bob in fl</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob in fl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Does any nation have a purely market-based health care system, and if so, how is that working out for them?
Posted by Michael&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I could be mistaken, but I believe we were there prior to Johnson&#039;s Great Society programs of the mid 60s. We had the VA &amp; Military health systems, but no other govt health coverage that I am aware of. Anybody else have any more info about this? Seems to me, if there hadn&#039;t been a need, Johnson would have had a hard time getting us Medicare &amp; Medicaid, doncha think? Granted, he did have a Democratic majority in Congress, but as a nation, we were also more fiscal conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Does any nation have a purely market-based health care system, and if so, how is that working out for them?<br />
Posted by Michael</p></blockquote>
<p>I could be mistaken, but I believe we were there prior to Johnson's Great Society programs of the mid 60s. We had the VA &amp; Military health systems, but no other govt health coverage that I am aware of. Anybody else have any more info about this? Seems to me, if there hadn't been a need, Johnson would have had a hard time getting us Medicare &amp; Medicaid, doncha think? Granted, he did have a Democratic majority in Congress, but as a nation, we were also more fiscal conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why is the right&#039;s answer to everything to obsess about the problems other countries face while avoiding facing up to our own failings?&lt;/blockquote&gt;For the same reason everybody does that, criticism is easy to come up with and fits nicely into news sound-bites.  Solutions take work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why is the right's answer to everything to obsess about the problems other countries face while avoiding facing up to our own failings?</p></blockquote>
<p>For the same reason everybody does that, criticism is easy to come up with and fits nicely into news sound-bites.  Solutions take work.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how many Americans suffer because they can&#039;t afford proper dental care?

Why is the right&#039;s answer to everything to obsess about the problems other countries face while avoiding facing up to our own failings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how many Americans suffer because they can't afford proper dental care?</p>
<p>Why is the right's answer to everything to obsess about the problems other countries face while avoiding facing up to our own failings?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The answer to the first question is: None (AFAIK).

Thus the answer to the second question is problematic.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Ok, then has any nation ever _tried_ to develop a market-based healthcare system, and if so why didn&#039;t it work?  For all of our desire to implement such a thing, do we have any reason to think it would actually work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The answer to the first question is: None (AFAIK).</p>
<p>Thus the answer to the second question is problematic.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ok, then has any nation ever _tried_ to develop a market-based healthcare system, and if so why didn't it work?  For all of our desire to implement such a thing, do we have any reason to think it would actually work?</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there are fourty million Americans without health insurance I would suppose a fair estimate would be that a hundred million or more do not have any dental coverage. 

And if a third of our population does not have dental insurance I would bet that a significant number of Americans do resort to pulling out their own teeth as well. Having had only one toothache in my life where I had to have the tooth pulled I know how the agony of a toothache enventually becomes unbearable. I would have done it myself if I had to, it was that bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there are fourty million Americans without health insurance I would suppose a fair estimate would be that a hundred million or more do not have any dental coverage. </p>
<p>And if a third of our population does not have dental insurance I would bet that a significant number of Americans do resort to pulling out their own teeth as well. Having had only one toothache in my life where I had to have the tooth pulled I know how the agony of a toothache enventually becomes unbearable. I would have done it myself if I had to, it was that bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Arcs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arcs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would wager that a properly worded and properly fielded survey in the US could get at least 6%. Maybe twice that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would wager that a properly worded and properly fielded survey in the US could get at least 6%. Maybe twice that.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As has been noted repeatedly, the US health care system is not &quot;free market&quot; because of the amount of government involvement. Does any nation have a purely market-based health care system, and if so, how is that working out for them?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The answer to the first question is:  None (AFAIK).

Thus the answer to the second question is problematic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As has been noted repeatedly, the US health care system is not "free market" because of the amount of government involvement. Does any nation have a purely market-based health care system, and if so, how is that working out for them?</p></blockquote>
<p>The answer to the first question is:  None (AFAIK).</p>
<p>Thus the answer to the second question is problematic.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every plan I have been under had a dental option (some included in the base, others had an additional premium) and a vision coverage. Maybe that&#039;s just because I was in the high tech fields that pushed employers to offer premium packages to get employees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every plan I have been under had a dental option (some included in the base, others had an additional premium) and a vision coverage. Maybe that's just because I was in the high tech fields that pushed employers to offer premium packages to get employees.</p>
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		<title>By: bob in fl</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob in fl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The problem, though, is that there is no comparative data for the U.S. system, let alone some of the more well-regarded state-run models. Certainly, coverage for dental care is rather mediocre in most American health plans.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
 
Correction: Coverage is non existent in most American health plans.  Medicaid for adults only covers extractions. Anyone know what Medicare covers? I have never experienced a private general health plan that covers dentistry. I don&#039;t know what percentage of Americans resort to DIY dentistry, but I know I am not alone.

In the late 70s, I was fortunate enough to have separate dental coverage for about a year. It made it affordable enough to have the fillings done I needed at the time. Then I lost that job, &amp; the coverage. All those filled teeth are now gone or stubs. Two of them &amp; several pieces I pulled out myself when the pain of pulling them became only slightly worse than the pain of leaving them alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The problem, though, is that there is no comparative data for the U.S. system, let alone some of the more well-regarded state-run models. Certainly, coverage for dental care is rather mediocre in most American health plans.
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<p>Correction: Coverage is non existent in most American health plans.  Medicaid for adults only covers extractions. Anyone know what Medicare covers? I have never experienced a private general health plan that covers dentistry. I don't know what percentage of Americans resort to DIY dentistry, but I know I am not alone.</p>
<p>In the late 70s, I was fortunate enough to have separate dental coverage for about a year. It made it affordable enough to have the fillings done I needed at the time. Then I lost that job, &amp; the coverage. All those filled teeth are now gone or stubs. Two of them &amp; several pieces I pulled out myself when the pain of pulling them became only slightly worse than the pain of leaving them alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As has been noted repeatedly, the US health care system is not &quot;free market&quot; because of the amount of government involvement.  Does any nation have a purely market-based health care system, and if so, how is that working out for them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As has been noted repeatedly, the US health care system is not "free market" because of the amount of government involvement.  Does any nation have a purely market-based health care system, and if so, how is that working out for them?</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At a minimum, it should be taken as a proof of what should be the obvious point that nationalized health care will not mean a paradise. As such, proponets of nationalized health care need to be able to quantify what advantages would be gained and at what cost (not just monetary, but in availability of access).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At a minimum, it should be taken as a proof of what should be the obvious point that nationalized health care will not mean a paradise. As such, proponets of nationalized health care need to be able to quantify what advantages would be gained and at what cost (not just monetary, but in availability of access).</p>
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