Comments on: Bush-Kerry Debate I: The Morning After http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush-kerry_debate_i_the_morning_after/ Online Journal of Politics and Foreign Affairs Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:37:08 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: ken http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush-kerry_debate_i_the_morning_after/comment-page-1/#comment-24530 ken Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:24:49 +0000 /?p=7607#comment-24530 Those who would chose Bush over Kerry after watching the debate last night are as out of touch with reality as is Bush. We live in a real world folks. Your fairy tale leader is about the dumbest man who ever held office. If you pick him it says more about you than it does about anything I could possible say. Those who would chose Bush over Kerry after watching the debate last night are as out of touch with reality as is Bush.

We live in a real world folks. Your fairy tale leader is about the dumbest man who ever held office. If you pick him it says more about you than it does about anything I could possible say.

]]> By: bryan http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush-kerry_debate_i_the_morning_after/comment-page-1/#comment-24526 bryan Sat, 02 Oct 2004 00:26:58 +0000 /?p=7607#comment-24526 I think Kerry did better in the debate, but the debate is Kerry's strong suit. bush is doing better in stump speeches. Today, they had a sound bite of Kerry on NPR in what amounts to his "stump speech" and it sounded like he was just whining. "Mr. President, we're not talking about waning, blah, blah, blah" Like he was still debating the debate. That, and he needs to stay away from Diane Sawyer. I think Kerry did better in the debate, but the debate is Kerry's strong suit. bush is doing better in stump speeches. Today, they had a sound bite of Kerry on NPR in what amounts to his "stump speech" and it sounded like he was just whining. "Mr. President, we're not talking about waning, blah, blah, blah" Like he was still debating the debate.

That, and he needs to stay away from Diane Sawyer.

]]> By: The Galvin Opinion http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush-kerry_debate_i_the_morning_after/comment-page-1/#comment-24521 The Galvin Opinion Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:47:43 +0000 /?p=7607#comment-24521 <strong>AL GORE PART DEUX: JOHN KERRY's 21 DEBATE LIES</strong> Here are 21 instances of where Kerry obfuscated, manipulated facts and lied to Americans. Kerry acted this way throughout his debate performance. The Bush campaign would be well-served to highlight Kerry's antics and lies. AL GORE PART DEUX: JOHN KERRY's 21 DEBATE LIES
Here are 21 instances of where Kerry obfuscated, manipulated facts and lied to Americans. Kerry acted this way throughout his debate performance. The Bush campaign would be well-served to highlight Kerry's antics and lies.

]]> By: Jim http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush-kerry_debate_i_the_morning_after/comment-page-1/#comment-24520 Jim Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:40:14 +0000 /?p=7607#comment-24520 Gallup/CBS released their post debate poll, but the MSM only zeroed in on one category -- the debate. Actually in the categories more important for re-election, Bush is doing well. Here are the poll findings which actually favor Bush: Who won the dabate? Bush 37% Kerry 53 % Who would handle the Iraq situation better? Bush 54% Kerry 43% Who do you trust more to handle the Commander-in-Chief job? Bush 54% Kerry 44% Who demonstrated they were tough enough for the job? Bush 54% Kerry 37% Who expressed himself more clearly? Bush 32% Kerry 60% Had a good understanding of the issues? Bush 41% Kerry 41% Agreed with you on more issues? Bush 49% Kerry 46% Was more believable? Bush 50% Kerry 45% Was more likable? Bush 48% Kerry 41% http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=13237 Jim Kouri Gallup/CBS released their post debate poll, but the MSM only zeroed in on one category -- the debate. Actually in the categories more important for re-election, Bush is doing well. Here are the poll findings which actually favor Bush:

Who won the dabate?
Bush 37%
Kerry 53 %

Who would handle the Iraq situation better?
Bush 54%
Kerry 43%

Who do you trust more to handle the Commander-in-Chief job?
Bush 54%
Kerry 44%

Who demonstrated they were tough enough for the job?
Bush 54%
Kerry 37%

Who expressed himself more clearly?
Bush 32%
Kerry 60%

Had a good understanding of the issues?
Bush 41%
Kerry 41%

Agreed with you on more issues?
Bush 49%
Kerry 46%

Was more believable?
Bush 50%
Kerry 45%

Was more likable?
Bush 48%
Kerry 41%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=13237
Jim Kouri

]]> By: Cindy http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush-kerry_debate_i_the_morning_after/comment-page-1/#comment-24512 Cindy Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:52:03 +0000 /?p=7607#comment-24512 In response to the bunker busters business. Our country built its greatness on strong moral and leadership values. If countries were built on military might alone, then Hitler's and Nero's empire would still be in power and we could join their axis of evil. I'm not for these "bunker busters". Oh where is the true beauty of our homeland if we abandon our moral and Christian principles in favor of nuclear proliferation of any kind? In response to the bunker busters business. Our country built its greatness on strong moral and leadership values. If countries were built on military might alone, then Hitler's and Nero's empire would still be in power and we could join their axis of evil.

I'm not for these "bunker busters". Oh where is the true beauty of our homeland if we abandon our moral and Christian principles in favor of nuclear proliferation of any kind?

]]> By: Attila Girl http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush-kerry_debate_i_the_morning_after/comment-page-1/#comment-24511 Attila Girl Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:38:01 +0000 /?p=7607#comment-24511 He could have done better, but this format doesn't play to his strong suits, and it does play to Kerry's. Yet Kerry made more substantive gaffes: he was the one who gave the other side better campaign-ad fodder, especially with 1) that "global test" remark, 2) his disparaging remark about bunker-busting bombs, and 3) his insistence on bilateral talks with North Korea. He could have done better, but this format doesn't play to his strong suits, and it does play to Kerry's. Yet Kerry made more substantive gaffes: he was the one who gave the other side better campaign-ad fodder, especially with 1) that "global test" remark, 2) his disparaging remark about bunker-busting bombs, and 3) his insistence on bilateral talks with North Korea.

]]> By: Ducktape http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush-kerry_debate_i_the_morning_after/comment-page-1/#comment-24499 Ducktape Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:49:21 +0000 /?p=7607#comment-24499 Actually, I thought it was the President who flubbed the Korea response, and also the Iran response. On Korea, it sounded to me as if we're having our country's best interests dictated by what China says. When Kerry said that "this happened on your watch," the President's answer was something quibbling about enriched uranium rather than plutonium, which didn't address the "your watch" issue at all in my mind -- it came across as quibbling over something non-important. On Iran, Moooolahs aside, the President listed out the things "we've done" regarding sanctions, and when Kerry said that the sanctions were US-only and that (essentially) he hadn't gotten the European countries to sign onto them, his comeback was that "we didn't do those sanctions - they've been around long before we took office." Which then begged the question in my mind, then what -have- you done about Iran? This was not the President's finest hour (or 90 minutes). He did OK in the beginning, but I very much got the impression that he was focussed at staying "on message" and when some of his talking points didn't match the questions, he seemed to get really annoyed. If there was one really non-Presidential moment, it was when he came back about how "I know Osama bin Laden attacked us..." and then had to pause and repeat "I know that." If he was going to take the line about how "the enemy attacked us" when the topic was IRAQ, he sure should have been prepared for that comeback from Kerry. This was supposed to be his strong suit, and all he really had to do was to look and sound presidential. He didn't do that, and instead looked frustrated and somewhat petulant, especially during the cutaways (didn't they tell him that the camera could be on him all the time?). I doubt his performance pushed anyone away who was already planning to vote for him, but for those who really are still making up their minds, I don't think he did himself any favors. Actually, I thought it was the President who flubbed the Korea response, and also the Iran response.

On Korea, it sounded to me as if we're having our country's best interests dictated by what China says. When Kerry said that "this happened on your watch," the President's answer was something quibbling about enriched uranium rather than plutonium, which didn't address the "your watch" issue at all in my mind -- it came across as quibbling over something non-important.

On Iran, Moooolahs aside, the President listed out the things "we've done" regarding sanctions, and when Kerry said that the sanctions were US-only and that (essentially) he hadn't gotten the European countries to sign onto them, his comeback was that "we didn't do those sanctions - they've been around long before we took office." Which then begged the question in my mind, then what -have- you done about Iran?

This was not the President's finest hour (or 90 minutes). He did OK in the beginning, but I very much got the impression that he was focussed at staying "on message" and when some of his talking points didn't match the questions, he seemed to get really annoyed.

If there was one really non-Presidential moment, it was when he came back about how "I know Osama bin Laden attacked us..." and then had to pause and repeat "I know that." If he was going to take the line about how "the enemy attacked us" when the topic was IRAQ, he sure should have been prepared for that comeback from Kerry.

This was supposed to be his strong suit, and all he really had to do was to look and sound presidential. He didn't do that, and instead looked frustrated and somewhat petulant, especially during the cutaways (didn't they tell him that the camera could be on him all the time?). I doubt his performance pushed anyone away who was already planning to vote for him, but for those who really are still making up their minds, I don't think he did himself any favors.

]]> By: PoliBlog http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush-kerry_debate_i_the_morning_after/comment-page-1/#comment-24497 PoliBlog Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:45:01 +0000 /?p=7607#comment-24497 <strong>The One Lingering Bite?</strong> I noted last night that Bush scored a point on the "global test" response, although James Joyner is correct, had he not stumbled in the response, he would have scored even more. At this point, this may be the one sound bite that may emerge as one we... The One Lingering Bite?
I noted last night that Bush scored a point on the "global test" response, although James Joyner is correct, had he not stumbled in the response, he would have scored even more. At this point, this may be the one sound bite that may emerge as one we...

]]> By: pat http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush-kerry_debate_i_the_morning_after/comment-page-1/#comment-24488 pat Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:57:41 +0000 /?p=7607#comment-24488 Kerry performed better than Bush but left himself exposed on Iran and North Korea. Kerry said "I think the United States should have offered the opportunity to provide the nuclear fuel, test them, see whether or not they were actually looking for it for peaceful purposes." Iran is energy rich, led by Islamic fanatics, and has already threatened Israel with nuclear holocaust. Yet Kerry still thinks we should offer them nuclear fuel as a test. The "Moolahs" (Bush jibe or flub?) will build their arsenal in bunkers yet Kerry wants to deprive the US of the sole means of destroying those bunkers. "..the president is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to research bunker-busting nuclear weapons..We're telling other people, "You can't have nuclear weapons," but we're pursuing a new nuclear weapon that we might even contemplate using." Kerry still doesn't understand the difference between free countries retaining nuclear weapons for defense and rogue regimes seeking to acquire nuclear weapons for offense. Kerry performed better than Bush but left himself exposed on Iran and North Korea. Kerry said "I think the United States should have offered the opportunity to provide the nuclear fuel, test them, see whether or not they were actually looking for it for peaceful purposes." Iran is energy rich, led by Islamic fanatics, and has already threatened Israel with nuclear holocaust. Yet Kerry still thinks we should offer them nuclear fuel as a test.
The "Moolahs" (Bush jibe or flub?) will build their arsenal in bunkers yet Kerry wants to deprive the US of the sole means of destroying those bunkers.
"..the president is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to research bunker-busting nuclear weapons..We're telling other people, "You can't have nuclear weapons," but we're pursuing a new nuclear weapon that we might even contemplate using."
Kerry still doesn't understand the difference between free countries retaining nuclear weapons for defense and rogue regimes seeking to acquire nuclear weapons for offense.

]]> By: Professor Chaos http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush-kerry_debate_i_the_morning_after/comment-page-1/#comment-24486 Professor Chaos Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:01:13 +0000 /?p=7607#comment-24486 Here's a <a href="http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000428.html">global test</a> cartoon already. Here's a global test cartoon already.

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