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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_41_versus_bush_43_on_foreign_policy/comment-page-1/#comment-104296</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 22:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;41 over 43 anytime&lt;/em&gt;

Well, yeah.  For that matter, Neville Chamberlain over 43 anytime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>41 over 43 anytime</em></p>
<p>Well, yeah.  For that matter, Neville Chamberlain over 43 anytime.</p>
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		<title>By: cian</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_41_versus_bush_43_on_foreign_policy/comment-page-1/#comment-104261</link>
		<dc:creator>cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>41 over 43 anytime. The reason? Bush I&#039;s ability to listen to those with an idea as opposed to those with an agenda.

The first rule of any war is to identify your enemy. An easy enough task after 9/11 and Bush II reacted correctly when he invaded the country harbouring the mastermind behind that attack. Every other decision taken should have been based on weakening that enemy. Invading Iraq was exactly the wrong thing to do, and just as Bush senior was warned of this in 1991, so too was Bush Junior by his generals in 2001.

The better man listened. The other will go down in history as one of our worst presidents ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>41 over 43 anytime. The reason? Bush I's ability to listen to those with an idea as opposed to those with an agenda.</p>
<p>The first rule of any war is to identify your enemy. An easy enough task after 9/11 and Bush II reacted correctly when he invaded the country harbouring the mastermind behind that attack. Every other decision taken should have been based on weakening that enemy. Invading Iraq was exactly the wrong thing to do, and just as Bush senior was warned of this in 1991, so too was Bush Junior by his generals in 2001.</p>
<p>The better man listened. The other will go down in history as one of our worst presidents ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Even as a Dem, I’ll admit I voted for Bush over Gore in 2000.&lt;/em&gt; 

Please, please tell me you don&#039;t live in Florida, Legion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Even as a Dem, I&rsquo;ll admit I voted for Bush over Gore in 2000.</em> </p>
<p>Please, please tell me you don't live in Florida, Legion.</p>
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		<title>By: Cernig</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_41_versus_bush_43_on_foreign_policy/comment-page-1/#comment-104253</link>
		<dc:creator>Cernig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, the notion of &quot;single cause = single effect&quot; is overly simplistic when looking at the real world. As Anderson sorta says, even if Osama could get everything he wanted tomorrow, without a single other act of terror, it wouldn&#039;t motivate him to hang up his bomb-vest and go grow kumquats. That defines him as a criminal, a bad guy.

On the other hand, I&#039;ve a feeling that America&#039;s foreign policy will start to work only when America realizes that its national interest lies &lt;i&gt;exactly&lt;/i&gt; in not acting in its national interest.

What I mean is this: only the bad guys object to an honest, impartial and hard-working policeman for whom &quot;protect and serve&quot; is more than just a slogan. A good cop is an asset to his community and puts everyone else&#039;s interests before his own, which ends up serving his own interests - respect, affection, and a mostly peaceable community to live in.

But no-one likes a cop who has his own interests at heart first and foremost - who&#039;s usually looking for a &quot;take&quot;, is never there when you need him and applies the law only when it suits him while looking the other way when his pals commit crimes. A bad cop should get out of the law enforcement business because he only makes his neighborhood worse.

As a non-American I&#039;ve no objection to America being the world&#039;s policeman if America will be an honest cop, a &quot;protect and &lt;i&gt;serve&lt;/i&gt;&quot; cop. No-one else is big enough for the job at present. But better no cop at all than a cop on the take.

Regards, Cernig</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, the notion of "single cause = single effect" is overly simplistic when looking at the real world. As Anderson sorta says, even if Osama could get everything he wanted tomorrow, without a single other act of terror, it wouldn't motivate him to hang up his bomb-vest and go grow kumquats. That defines him as a criminal, a bad guy.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I've a feeling that America's foreign policy will start to work only when America realizes that its national interest lies <i>exactly</i> in not acting in its national interest.</p>
<p>What I mean is this: only the bad guys object to an honest, impartial and hard-working policeman for whom "protect and serve" is more than just a slogan. A good cop is an asset to his community and puts everyone else's interests before his own, which ends up serving his own interests - respect, affection, and a mostly peaceable community to live in.</p>
<p>But no-one likes a cop who has his own interests at heart first and foremost - who's usually looking for a "take", is never there when you need him and applies the law only when it suits him while looking the other way when his pals commit crimes. A bad cop should get out of the law enforcement business because he only makes his neighborhood worse.</p>
<p>As a non-American I've no objection to America being the world's policeman if America will be an honest cop, a "protect and <i>serve</i>" cop. No-one else is big enough for the job at present. But better no cop at all than a cop on the take.</p>
<p>Regards, Cernig</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_41_versus_bush_43_on_foreign_policy/comment-page-1/#comment-104250</link>
		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even as a Dem, I&#039;ll admit I voted for Bush over Gore in 2000. Why? Partialy because Gore came off like a petulant schoolgirl in the debates, and partially because Bush, even though everyone knew he wasn&#039;t too swift, was assembling a skilled, experienced team of advisors to back him up. And I&#039;ll also admit that getting Powell on the team was the deciding factor. 

The problem was, and still is, that Bush _isn&#039;t_ much of a decider, at least as far as rational decisions go. He has shown a terrible propensity to go with his initial gut reaction, and then never re-evaluate decisions for any reason, thus negating the value of _any_ advice. We&#039;ve all seen it - once someone has his trust &amp; loyalty, they can do no wrong - period. No matter how badly they actually screw up.

No matter what Bush says, no matter what Baker suggests, there will be no changes in Iraq, or the GWOT, unless Congress absolutely forces it - mark my words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even as a Dem, I'll admit I voted for Bush over Gore in 2000. Why? Partialy because Gore came off like a petulant schoolgirl in the debates, and partially because Bush, even though everyone knew he wasn't too swift, was assembling a skilled, experienced team of advisors to back him up. And I'll also admit that getting Powell on the team was the deciding factor. </p>
<p>The problem was, and still is, that Bush _isn't_ much of a decider, at least as far as rational decisions go. He has shown a terrible propensity to go with his initial gut reaction, and then never re-evaluate decisions for any reason, thus negating the value of _any_ advice. We've all seen it - once someone has his trust &amp; loyalty, they can do no wrong - period. No matter how badly they actually screw up.</p>
<p>No matter what Bush says, no matter what Baker suggests, there will be no changes in Iraq, or the GWOT, unless Congress absolutely forces it - mark my words.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://amarji.blogspot.com/2006/11/new-cabal-rising.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;More praise for the realists&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://amarji.blogspot.com/2006/11/new-cabal-rising.html" rel="nofollow">More praise for the realists</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_41_versus_bush_43_on_foreign_policy/comment-page-1/#comment-104246</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not quite that eager to let the foreign policy realists off the hook.  We&#039;ve got something like a dozen and a half big military bases in the Middle East excluding Iraq, a consequence of realist foreign policy.  Does Al Qaeda have it in for us because we&#039;re powerful or because we&#039;ve got a huge military presence all over the Middle East?  Maybe a little of the former but I believe a lot of the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not quite that eager to let the foreign policy realists off the hook.  We've got something like a dozen and a half big military bases in the Middle East excluding Iraq, a consequence of realist foreign policy.  Does Al Qaeda have it in for us because we're powerful or because we've got a huge military presence all over the Middle East?  Maybe a little of the former but I believe a lot of the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson:  Yep and fair enough.  I do think that the stationing of troops in Saudi was a huge--if not the biggest--spark for allowing Osama to turn a bunch of disparate terrorist networks primarily focused on domestic matters against the U.S.  I don&#039;t blame Bush 41 for that--it&#039;s a ridiculous cause and effect--just note that it happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson:  Yep and fair enough.  I do think that the stationing of troops in Saudi was a huge--if not the biggest--spark for allowing Osama to turn a bunch of disparate terrorist networks primarily focused on domestic matters against the U.S.  I don't blame Bush 41 for that--it's a ridiculous cause and effect--just note that it happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_41_versus_bush_43_on_foreign_policy/comment-page-1/#comment-104242</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;the formation of al Qaeda&lt;/em&gt;

Whoa.  I&#039;m leery of Bush 41 nostalgia, but that needs some &#039;splainin&#039;.  Are you referring to the stationing of U.S. troops in Arabia?

If so, no foul.  Had Osama not been given that to bitch about, he would&#039;ve found something else.  It&#039;s not like he was going to go, &quot;excellent, the American devils have met my demands; I shall now lead a simple life and cultivate my garden.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>the formation of al Qaeda</em></p>
<p>Whoa.  I'm leery of Bush 41 nostalgia, but that needs some 'splainin'.  Are you referring to the stationing of U.S. troops in Arabia?</p>
<p>If so, no foul.  Had Osama not been given that to bitch about, he would've found something else.  It's not like he was going to go, "excellent, the American devils have met my demands; I shall now lead a simple life and cultivate my garden."</p>
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