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		<title>By: Detour</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_accepts_mccains_ban_on_torture_-_yahoo_news/comment-page-1/#comment-68853</link>
		<dc:creator>Detour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Dilbert On Torture&lt;/strong&gt;

In line with my co-blogger&#039;s recent post on spying, Scott Adams (The creator of Dilbert and co-owner of the most wonderful restaurant Stacey?s a stones throw from my apartment in downtown Pleasanton) has a few questions about the usefulness of tortur...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Dilbert On Torture</strong></p>
<p>In line with my co-blogger's recent post on spying, Scott Adams (The creator of Dilbert and co-owner of the most wonderful restaurant Stacey?s a stones throw from my apartment in downtown Pleasanton) has a few questions about the usefulness of tortur...</p>
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		<title>By: Darren7160</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren7160</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one last thought...  the only difference between you who would support the torture of people and the terrorists is that they are willing to scarifice themselves for their beliefs (rightly or wrongly) ... you are willing to sacrifice others for yours (rightly or wrongly). See a difference? I do.

Maybe if someone had besides Jack was able to put though into their posts it would be worth reading... as it is... you others have the intelligence of about 1/2 inch wide by 1/2 inch deep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one last thought...  the only difference between you who would support the torture of people and the terrorists is that they are willing to scarifice themselves for their beliefs (rightly or wrongly) ... you are willing to sacrifice others for yours (rightly or wrongly). See a difference? I do.</p>
<p>Maybe if someone had besides Jack was able to put though into their posts it would be worth reading... as it is... you others have the intelligence of about 1/2 inch wide by 1/2 inch deep.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren7160</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren7160</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your thoughts!

It is heartening to see that a conservative is just as concerned about the soul of America and the abstract Ideals that make us a great nation.

Unlike partisan hicks that remind me of the 1960&#039;s, &quot;My country, right or wrong!&quot; There are some who believe that only by living our principles can we promote them! If our contry is doing something wrong it doesn&#039;t get better by condoning them. Only by monitoring the actions of the government can we truely make sure that the government is &quot;Of the people, by the people and for the people.&quot;

I am surprised at the Conservatives who have posted against McCain. I am sure that it has absolutely nothing to do with torture... must be something else. Why else would they be willing to abandon the entire conservative belief that government needs to be responsive to the people. Are their conservative beliefs so easily cast aside for convenience? That is scary and it might show that maybe they are willing to consider torture aa an appropriate means of conducting governmental business.

What they need to do though is to look beyond today or tomorrow. Look beyond next election. If you are willing to sacrafice your principles and integrety today then don&#039;t be surprised if, in the future it is sacraficed again... but this time for something you don&#039;t agree with. 

Sigh... I know you won&#039;t like this... but that is called... THE SLIPPERY SLOPE!

If we take the low road in pursuit of protecting and promoting what is right about democracy and America can we really be true to what America stands for?

Oh My Goodness!!! Do you possibly mean to say that someone might use the Iraq war and the war on terrorism to promote their own political egenda? That is terrible. I am sure that President Bush would have never have done that!

The only fraud or phony I find are those that are willing to surrender their God given ability to think for themselves to a partisan, &quot;don&#039;t confuse me with the facts&quot;, position.

How can we promote the advantage of a democratic society where the very power of the govenment comes from the law? The Constitution, the separtation of powers? The protection of the minority groups? 

Do we tell the Iraqis that these are only to be adhered to in good times? That it is okay to do whatever one person feels is necessary (without oversite) when that person feels it is necassary?

OOooops! Iraq has 3 separate groups... Shiites, Sunni and Kurds. How do you think two of those groups will respond if one of the groups acts unilaterally?

Do we wag our finger and tell them to do as we say, not as we do? How can we show them the superiority of a land ruled by law? That the law is not dependant on your political point of view, because then that would be relative morality and we don&#039;t believe in relative morality... do we?

Please, please, please... think! Count to 10 if necessary and give consideration to your thoughts... not just some knee-jerk reaction because your President did not get his way.

Dear God. Does anyone remember Civics? You know... where they taught about how the 3 different parts of the government are designed to provide &quot;checks and balances&quot;? The purpose of the Free Press to keep the citizens informed?

The President&#039;s job is to enforce all our laws... not to pick and chose as he goes along. Congress makes laws, the President enforces them, and the Surpreme Court Interprets them. Sorry if you don&#039;t like, that is the American way.

Do not dare to talk to me about a politican using legislation, Iraq or the War on Terrorism! Bush and Rove wrote the book. How hypocritical can you be and still face yourself in the mirror? Are you really serious or just a troll? 

I saw a bumper sticker that said, &quot;The Road To Hell Is Paved By Liberals.&quot; Maybe it should say, &quot;The Road To Hell Is Paved By Those Use This War On Terrorism To Abandon All We Stand For.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your thoughts!</p>
<p>It is heartening to see that a conservative is just as concerned about the soul of America and the abstract Ideals that make us a great nation.</p>
<p>Unlike partisan hicks that remind me of the 1960's, "My country, right or wrong!" There are some who believe that only by living our principles can we promote them! If our contry is doing something wrong it doesn't get better by condoning them. Only by monitoring the actions of the government can we truely make sure that the government is "Of the people, by the people and for the people."</p>
<p>I am surprised at the Conservatives who have posted against McCain. I am sure that it has absolutely nothing to do with torture... must be something else. Why else would they be willing to abandon the entire conservative belief that government needs to be responsive to the people. Are their conservative beliefs so easily cast aside for convenience? That is scary and it might show that maybe they are willing to consider torture aa an appropriate means of conducting governmental business.</p>
<p>What they need to do though is to look beyond today or tomorrow. Look beyond next election. If you are willing to sacrafice your principles and integrety today then don't be surprised if, in the future it is sacraficed again... but this time for something you don't agree with. </p>
<p>Sigh... I know you won't like this... but that is called... THE SLIPPERY SLOPE!</p>
<p>If we take the low road in pursuit of protecting and promoting what is right about democracy and America can we really be true to what America stands for?</p>
<p>Oh My Goodness!!! Do you possibly mean to say that someone might use the Iraq war and the war on terrorism to promote their own political egenda? That is terrible. I am sure that President Bush would have never have done that!</p>
<p>The only fraud or phony I find are those that are willing to surrender their God given ability to think for themselves to a partisan, "don't confuse me with the facts", position.</p>
<p>How can we promote the advantage of a democratic society where the very power of the govenment comes from the law? The Constitution, the separtation of powers? The protection of the minority groups? </p>
<p>Do we tell the Iraqis that these are only to be adhered to in good times? That it is okay to do whatever one person feels is necessary (without oversite) when that person feels it is necassary?</p>
<p>OOooops! Iraq has 3 separate groups... Shiites, Sunni and Kurds. How do you think two of those groups will respond if one of the groups acts unilaterally?</p>
<p>Do we wag our finger and tell them to do as we say, not as we do? How can we show them the superiority of a land ruled by law? That the law is not dependant on your political point of view, because then that would be relative morality and we don't believe in relative morality... do we?</p>
<p>Please, please, please... think! Count to 10 if necessary and give consideration to your thoughts... not just some knee-jerk reaction because your President did not get his way.</p>
<p>Dear God. Does anyone remember Civics? You know... where they taught about how the 3 different parts of the government are designed to provide "checks and balances"? The purpose of the Free Press to keep the citizens informed?</p>
<p>The President's job is to enforce all our laws... not to pick and chose as he goes along. Congress makes laws, the President enforces them, and the Surpreme Court Interprets them. Sorry if you don't like, that is the American way.</p>
<p>Do not dare to talk to me about a politican using legislation, Iraq or the War on Terrorism! Bush and Rove wrote the book. How hypocritical can you be and still face yourself in the mirror? Are you really serious or just a troll? </p>
<p>I saw a bumper sticker that said, "The Road To Hell Is Paved By Liberals." Maybe it should say, "The Road To Hell Is Paved By Those Use This War On Terrorism To Abandon All We Stand For."</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_accepts_mccains_ban_on_torture_-_yahoo_news/comment-page-1/#comment-68156</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Often, these type of &quot;symbolic&quot; gestures are far, far more important than they may appear at the time, especially to the partisans who proclaim that &quot;Bush can do no wrong!&quot;

A strong stand against the institutionalized use of torture is needed, and I am very saddened that so many cannot see this need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Often, these type of "symbolic" gestures are far, far more important than they may appear at the time, especially to the partisans who proclaim that "Bush can do no wrong!"</p>
<p>A strong stand against the institutionalized use of torture is needed, and I am very saddened that so many cannot see this need.</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can Bush be so strong and resolute against terrorists but cave in continually to this infantile egomaniac? 

Tell McCain: Just pass  any bill I don&#039;t like and watch the veto ink fly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can Bush be so strong and resolute against terrorists but cave in continually to this infantile egomaniac? </p>
<p>Tell McCain: Just pass  any bill I don't like and watch the veto ink fly.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d settle for &lt;i&gt;Bush&lt;/i&gt; recognizing McCain for the phony that he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd settle for <i>Bush</i> recognizing McCain for the phony that he is.</p>
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		<title>By: Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;White House, McCain in torture pact&lt;/strong&gt;

After months of resistance, the White House has agreed to accept Sen. John McCain?s call for a law s</description>
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<p>After months of resistance, the White House has agreed to accept Sen. John McCain?s call for a law s</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One day this country will recognize McCain as the fraud and phony that he is.

McCain is &quot;out for himself&quot; and this is his way to score political points for his bid to the Presidency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One day this country will recognize McCain as the fraud and phony that he is.</p>
<p>McCain is "out for himself" and this is his way to score political points for his bid to the Presidency.</p>
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