What's the matter Mr President? Still trying to work out a way of DoSing me?

Are you shocked by the way I'm breaking all your 'War on Terror' intellectual weapons?

Didn't I say the ONLY way to win this war was through 'Intellectual Jihad'?

I have to admit your strategy of throwing all these red herrings onto the chessboard (you know, like Ruth Kelly & 'Opus Dei', Tony Blair etc) just to confuse us, this strategy was quite BRILLIANT. And I apologise profusely for humiliating them but this was necessary in order to remove them from the 'gameboard' so I could identify the REAL enemy. Once you admitted defeat in the 'Christianity vs Islam' red herring, it was only a matter of time before I uncovered the 'Confederate' link. And after that, it was 'Game Over' for you.

Let this be a lesson for you President [Neo-Confederate White-Supermacist Kafir] Bush, that the Kafir plans and Allah Plans, and Allah is ALWAYS the Best of Planners

I noticed a previous post had been removed. That's a pity, because its VERY tame compared with another I have in mind (just in case you start spewing out 'Islamic Fundamentalism Fascism' and 'War On Terror' garbage again).

You've been warned!

And Finally Mr President, killing us 'SubHumans' is NOT a cool way of rebuilding the Texas economy. Unlike the Jews of Nazi-Germany, we will NOT stay quiet and 'accept our fate'.

There are 1+ billion Muslims in the world. You would do well to interpret that as '1+ billion warriors ready for action'. Know your enemy - its taken us 5 years to identify ours.

What's the matter Mr President? You're not singing anymore!

How long did you think you could hide your White-Supremacist 'Neo-Confederate' roots?

How long did you think you could hide your affiliation to the White-Supremacist 'Skull and Cross-Bones' Club?

How long did you think the White-Supremacist hijacking of the Republican Party (which occurred soon after the Nixon-Watergate debacle) could remain hidden?

We BOTH know I've been a thorn in your neck since the '04 Elections, and you've been receiving EVERY post I've sent (including this one), and all my relevant hard disk data.

There's ONLY one thing remaining - to see you AND your Neo-Confederate Co-Conspirators shackled in the Hague awaiting execution for crimes against humanity.

As Nixon was the first President to resign, you (insha-Allah) will be the first to be executed

And you can substitute 'subhuman' for 'slave' (from Master-Slave).

In short, US Democracy has been hijacked by a group of extremely ruthless b*stards called Neo-Cons - short for Neo-CONFEDERATES.

The Southern States never accepted defeat in the American Civil War, and now they've taken revenge by consuming the very Republican Party that declared war on the [Southern] White Supremacist based Master-Slave Economy, and through them they grabbed the White House. After that they viciously abused and manipulated the global respect for USA by having the entire world dancing to their 'Islamic Fundamentalist' tune.

How ruthless are these people? Well, their 'Shock and Awe' strategy of clinging onto power started with the destruction of the WTC. I was slowly gathering my evidence for all of this when I was suddenly whacked with a DOS.

And Carla, I was in the process of proving these Republicans ARE massive fraudsters when I was suddenly DOSed (Denial of Service) - just as the Egyptian Pharoah used every possible trick to remain in power, so [apparently] are these people, since they believe they are 'superior' to all the rest of us 'subhumans'.

Carla - what happens if the Government itself is breaking [every] law [in the American Constitution] in a desperate bid to cling onto power, because these people believe they have some divine right to rule?

What if there is NO 'War on Terror', and all this 'Islamic Fundamentalism' stuff and 'Patriot Act' etc are all components of a complex strategy employed by The Republicans to hoodwink the US public and scare them into thinking 'there are baddies out there and ONLY the Republicans can stop them'?

If tomorrow the US public discovers The Republicans have been employing massive fraud and mass-murder on a global scale just to remain in power, how would YOU react?

Sorry Michael you're right, I had to read your post a few times to understand its implications. However, if people are [inadvertantly] playing both lines, this shows how effective the Neo-Con propaganda has been in deceiving 'Ordinary Joes'into believing they're acting in the best interests of USA.

Again, on the other side of the debate, they are "hard-nosed" people, therefore we do need torture to get the truth out of them, therefore doing things like slapping them or pushing them around are useless, therefore there should be no strawman arguments about banning the use of such techniques.

Either way the arguments I see here supporting what is going on in Gitmo and other CIA "secret prisons" are wrong based on their own assumptions. That is the point I was making.

Michael - if the tortured victims were hard-nosed Soviets with decades of experience in coping with torture techniques, then I would agree with your assessment.

However the people being tortured are 'Ordinary Joes' just like you, but with a different slightly different belief-system, who are suddenly being accused of 'terrorism against USA'. A lot of these people have been so TOTALLY frightened at the mere threat of torture that they've willingly accepted all the accusations thrown at them.

This is why questions are being asked about the effectiveness of torture to extract vital information to prevent acts of terrorism

Either terrorists are determined, hardened, evil people who will not talk unless pushed to extremes just short of serious organ failure, or we're not really torturing them and they're just weaklings who will crack as soon as they are made uncomfortable. You can't play both lines at the same time, it just doesn't add up.

Hypothermia is torture, we've killed someone using it. And if you don't think being doused with cold water repeatedly, while being kept at 50 degrees F, is torture, well, try it on your kids sometime.

Sleep deprivation is torture, and a particularly unreliable version. Keep someone awake for 48 or 72 hours, and they'll confess to whatever you want, so long as you'll let them sleep. (Starving people & denying them water is obviously torture; why people think denying another basic human need, sleep, is okay, I dunno.)

As for hitting people within carefully defined limits ... well, how long do you think those limits will last, if the guy still won't talk?

A lot like being run thru an industrial shredder or being beheaded. No ouchies for terrorists.