That's just what the left wants you to think. Their actually plan is much more complicated. I can tell you it involves a dolphin and two jelly doughnuts. But lets not spoil the plan.

Yup. Makes perfect sense to me. It's all about making it ... harder for Bush's oil-industry friends to ... get oil.

Perfect sense.

Or to put it another way, we tried the approach of just ignoring Al Qaeda and hoping to handle it as a police matter. That sure had some unintended consequences also.

p.s. Ken, did you happen to notice an election that occurred in 2004? It would seem to just slightly undercut your position.

It is just a total waste of our nations resources to continue in Iraq for any longer than it takes us to get out.

Really, talk to anyone. Do they really care? Are they willing to do whatever it takes, pay any price, make any sacrifice, just so Bush can claim success? Of course not. Americans are not dumb. We were fooled once by Bush lies into supporting his war and we will not be fooled again.

Heres a hint for you. Remember that actions such as ours in Iraq tend to have unintended consequences. Helping people like Bin Laden fight the Soviets in Afghanistan seemed like a pretty good idea at the time...

You are forgetting that by creating more instability in the middle east, Bush has placed the oil supply which our economy depends on in greater jeopardy then it was prior to the war.

Iraq is not Vietnam, which had little strategic significance. We can't just walk away without consequence. For better or for worse, Bush has tied America into the future of Iraq. I just wish that given the fact we are there, we had a competent administration to deal with the consequences...

Just a hint. Establishing a democratic alternative in Iraq is one of the 17 goals laid out in the AUMF to invade Iraq. If we score the goal, then we have started the cultural counter revolution that will eventually place the Islamic terrorist in the same historical place as piracy and slavery. Not that they will be totally gone, but reduced to a livable amount for the civilized world (and still hunted and eliminated as we can).

so long as George Bush is President, the United States will not abandon you.

Maybe if we're lucky Bush will stay there until he fixes the mess he's created.

Once we get out no one will even remember why we were there, except for the fact that Bush lied to us about it all.

Really, who cares about Iraq? No one I know cares who 'wins' because they know that to 'win' in Iraq has no defined meaning.

It can mean anything you want or it can mean nothing at all. So no one cares.

Conseravtives have no plans to win, mostly because they have no idea what it means, and liberals, like most Americans, don't see the point of worrying about it. We all just want to get out. The sooner the better. We'll even let the conservatives call that a 'win', if it will make them feel better.

From the AP:President Bush made a surprise visit to Iraq on Tuesday to meet newly named Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and discuss the next steps in the troubled, three-year-old war. It was a dramatic move by Bush, traveling to violence-rattled...

And to the moonbats, yes it would be great if security was far enough along that Bush could stroll in open air markets or that there weren't the need for continued security measures. Sorry, the world is not perfect and no amount of whining will make it perfect. But surely you can see that at worse the issue is in doubt (not a hopeless quagmire with no chance of success) and possibly the trend suggests that victory is more likely to occur than defeat. So if there is at least a chance of winning, running away doesn't make sense.

This is intended to send a message bolstering the new gov't. Tomorrow, 75,000 troops will occupy Baghdad in an effort to secure the capital.