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		<title>By: JustOneMinute</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_returning_to_washington_over_schiavo/comment-page-1/#comment-39868</link>
		<dc:creator>JustOneMinute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Right-to-Life Hypocrisy, or Blogger Illiteracy? &lt;/strong&gt;
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_returning_to_washington_over_schiavo/comment-page-1/#comment-39814</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for classifying me as a &quot;random Internet fuckwit&quot; for expressing my opinion. Your support for the First Amendment is phenomenal.

And while you&#039;re at it, exactly &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; court, more precisely, &lt;i&gt;one man&lt;/i&gt; has made a finding of fact regarding whether or not Terri Schiavo would wish to remain alive in her current state.

You seem to have a penchant for making up facts which support your position, Jeff. You know, what we Texans call &quot;lying.&quot;

So who&#039;s more irrelevant, Jeff? Someone who expresses discomfort with what&#039;s going on in the Schiavo case, or someone who lies in order to promote his position that she should be dehydrated to death?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for classifying me as a "random Internet fuckwit" for expressing my opinion. Your support for the First Amendment is phenomenal.</p>
<p>And while you're at it, exactly <i>one</i> court, more precisely, <i>one man</i> has made a finding of fact regarding whether or not Terri Schiavo would wish to remain alive in her current state.</p>
<p>You seem to have a penchant for making up facts which support your position, Jeff. You know, what we Texans call "lying."</p>
<p>So who's more irrelevant, Jeff? Someone who expresses discomfort with what's going on in the Schiavo case, or someone who lies in order to promote his position that she should be dehydrated to death?</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_returning_to_washington_over_schiavo/comment-page-1/#comment-39788</link>
		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;PS Terri Schiavoâs brain has literally liquified over the last 15 years. Those of you who believe she can swallow and smile at her mom are believing in lies. She cannot swallow, she does not recognize anything, and she makes no voluntary movements.&lt;/em&gt;

Wow, James. I&#039;m impressed that you have someone who actually visits Terri regularly and performs medical exams upon her as a commenter on your blog. [/sarcasm]

Given that Michael Schiavo has refused to allow any rehab work to be performed on her for the last 515 years, that may be close to true. But Jeff, you hardly sound like a dispassionate medical observer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>PS Terri Schiavoâs brain has literally liquified over the last 15 years. Those of you who believe she can swallow and smile at her mom are believing in lies. She cannot swallow, she does not recognize anything, and she makes no voluntary movements.</em></p>
<p>Wow, James. I'm impressed that you have someone who actually visits Terri regularly and performs medical exams upon her as a commenter on your blog. [/sarcasm]</p>
<p>Given that Michael Schiavo has refused to allow any rehab work to be performed on her for the last 515 years, that may be close to true. But Jeff, you hardly sound like a dispassionate medical observer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_returning_to_washington_over_schiavo/comment-page-1/#comment-39776</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boyd, the phrase &quot;nation of laws, not men&quot; means that nobody gives a flying handshake when random Internet fuckwits &quot;have problems with the judgement.&quot;  Numerous members of numerous branches of our judicial system have made a finding of fact that Terri Schiavo was disinclined to have her life artificially extended.  The case has presented what is regarded to be the highest quality and largest quantity of evidence ever brought to bear in such a case.  That you &quot;have a problem&quot; is the most irrelevant fact in the universe.

&quot;Nation of laws&quot; is something forgotten by today&#039;s right wing.

PS Terri Schiavo&#039;s brain has literally liquified over the last 15 years.  Those of you who believe she can swallow and smile at her mom are believing in lies.  She cannot swallow, she does not recognize anything, and she makes no voluntary movements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boyd, the phrase "nation of laws, not men" means that nobody gives a flying handshake when random Internet fuckwits "have problems with the judgement."  Numerous members of numerous branches of our judicial system have made a finding of fact that Terri Schiavo was disinclined to have her life artificially extended.  The case has presented what is regarded to be the highest quality and largest quantity of evidence ever brought to bear in such a case.  That you "have a problem" is the most irrelevant fact in the universe.</p>
<p>"Nation of laws" is something forgotten by today's right wing.</p>
<p>PS Terri Schiavo's brain has literally liquified over the last 15 years.  Those of you who believe she can swallow and smile at her mom are believing in lies.  She cannot swallow, she does not recognize anything, and she makes no voluntary movements.</p>
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		<title>By: Shana Barrow</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_returning_to_washington_over_schiavo/comment-page-1/#comment-39774</link>
		<dc:creator>Shana Barrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Joynerâs diatribe in favor of killing this woman is the most shocking departure from decency Iâve ever witnessed in a blogger I truly respect. Itâs disappointing.&lt;/i&gt;

Pet Peeve #2653: When lower-tier bloggers blog about how disappointed they are that higher-tier bloggers take stances that are different from the lower-tier bloggers&#039; opinions. Talk about tactlessness and acting asinine. Effing get over it already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Joynerâs diatribe in favor of killing this woman is the most shocking departure from decency Iâve ever witnessed in a blogger I truly respect. Itâs disappointing.</i></p>
<p>Pet Peeve #2653: When lower-tier bloggers blog about how disappointed they are that higher-tier bloggers take stances that are different from the lower-tier bloggers' opinions. Talk about tactlessness and acting asinine. Effing get over it already.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_returning_to_washington_over_schiavo/comment-page-1/#comment-39772</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 04:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;...because the husband has a legal duty and right to &lt;b&gt;execute&lt;/b&gt; the wishes of the wife.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Sorry, but I had to point out the irony in that statement.

And I continue to have problems with the judgment that these are Mrs. Schiavo&#039;s expressed wishes. Then again, there are many things judges do which make no sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>"...because the husband has a legal duty and right to <b>execute</b> the wishes of the wife."</i></p>
<p>Sorry, but I had to point out the irony in that statement.</p>
<p>And I continue to have problems with the judgment that these are Mrs. Schiavo's expressed wishes. Then again, there are many things judges do which make no sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Gay Orbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gay Orbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 04:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I Was Right&lt;/strong&gt;
That didn&#039;t take long. Looks like the Terri Schiavo electioneering has already started. I wish I&#039;d bet money on that one!In a memo distributed only to Republican senators, the Schiavo case was characterized as &quot;a great political issue&quot; that could p...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I Was Right</strong><br />
That didn't take long. Looks like the Terri Schiavo electioneering has already started. I wish I'd bet money on that one!In a memo distributed only to Republican senators, the Schiavo case was characterized as "a great political issue" that could p...</p>
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		<title>By: The American Mind</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_returning_to_washington_over_schiavo/comment-page-1/#comment-39767</link>
		<dc:creator>The American Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 02:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;House is Now in Session&lt;/strong&gt;
The House is again in session to pass a bill to move Terri Schiavo&#039;s case to federal court. UPDATE: C-SPAN...</description>
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The House is again in session to pass a bill to move Terri Schiavo's case to federal court. UPDATE: C-SPAN...</p>
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		<title>By: No Easy Answers</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_returning_to_washington_over_schiavo/comment-page-1/#comment-39766</link>
		<dc:creator>No Easy Answers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 02:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Taking Issue With OTB&lt;/strong&gt;
I just checked in on Outside the Beltway, a blog that I read daily, and was so frustrated by a pair of posts that I felt the urge to say something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Taking Issue With OTB</strong><br />
I just checked in on Outside the Beltway, a blog that I read daily, and was so frustrated by a pair of posts that I felt the urge to say something.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_returning_to_washington_over_schiavo/comment-page-1/#comment-39765</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 01:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for &quot;anon&quot; and &quot;Bill Hennessy&quot;: wow, are you really this ignorant or is it an act?  Anon: it makes NO difference what the parents want, because the husband has a legal duty and right to execute the wishes of the wife.  Numerous people have testified under oath that Terri Schiavo did not want artificial life support.  The Republicans want to protect the &quot;sanctity of marriage&quot; don&#039;t they?  Well here&#039;s their big chance to uphold the legal meaning of marriage, and they are stomping all over it.

&quot;Bill&quot;: If the feeding tube isn&#039;t necessary, then who cares if they pull it?  They&#039;ll pull the tube and Terri will sit bolt upright and order a turkey club.  If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.  The woman is brain dead and has been that way for 15 years.  She&#039;s not coming back.  The only definition of &quot;alive&quot; which she fulfills is that various electrical stimuli cause various muscular contractions in her corpse.  What if she is still in this state 400 years from now?  What if her body is in perfect equilibrium with the electrolyte solution they are using to feed her?  Will you still say she is &quot;alive&quot; in 2405?  Should this feeding technique be applied mandatorily to any patient who could remain in this undead state indefinitely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for "anon" and "Bill Hennessy": wow, are you really this ignorant or is it an act?  Anon: it makes NO difference what the parents want, because the husband has a legal duty and right to execute the wishes of the wife.  Numerous people have testified under oath that Terri Schiavo did not want artificial life support.  The Republicans want to protect the "sanctity of marriage" don't they?  Well here's their big chance to uphold the legal meaning of marriage, and they are stomping all over it.</p>
<p>"Bill": If the feeding tube isn't necessary, then who cares if they pull it?  They'll pull the tube and Terri will sit bolt upright and order a turkey club.  If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.  The woman is brain dead and has been that way for 15 years.  She's not coming back.  The only definition of "alive" which she fulfills is that various electrical stimuli cause various muscular contractions in her corpse.  What if she is still in this state 400 years from now?  What if her body is in perfect equilibrium with the electrolyte solution they are using to feed her?  Will you still say she is "alive" in 2405?  Should this feeding technique be applied mandatorily to any patient who could remain in this undead state indefinitely?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bush_returning_to_washington_over_schiavo/comment-page-1/#comment-39764</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 01:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have rarely seen as much credulous naivete as I have often read on the pages of this blog.  You seem to be seriously trying to paint this as an issue with two sides, when really there is only one side.  The husband is fulfilling his wife&#039;s wishes, and the avenues of intervention available to everyone else (the parents, the &quot;pro-life&quot; morons, Jeb Bush) have been fully exhausted at every level of the Florida judiciary.  The Congress, in its infinitessimal wisdom, has passed a new law stripping the husband of the relief which the courts have already granted him, and is instructing the federal judiciary to re-hear the case de novo, without consideration of the husband&#039;s rights under the law.

Do YOU want the Congress passing laws that specifically strip YOU of YOUR rights under the law?  Probably not, that&#039;s why it&#039;s against the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have rarely seen as much credulous naivete as I have often read on the pages of this blog.  You seem to be seriously trying to paint this as an issue with two sides, when really there is only one side.  The husband is fulfilling his wife's wishes, and the avenues of intervention available to everyone else (the parents, the "pro-life" morons, Jeb Bush) have been fully exhausted at every level of the Florida judiciary.  The Congress, in its infinitessimal wisdom, has passed a new law stripping the husband of the relief which the courts have already granted him, and is instructing the federal judiciary to re-hear the case de novo, without consideration of the husband's rights under the law.</p>
<p>Do YOU want the Congress passing laws that specifically strip YOU of YOUR rights under the law?  Probably not, that's why it's against the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Hennessy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Hennessy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the difference between âpulling the plugâ (i.e. people who would die immediately when taken off life support when machines are supporting all their base functions) and âpulling the tubeâ (someone who has to die by being slowly starved to death, which includes all comotose patients).&quot;

It goes further than that.  BlogsforTerri.org points out that the feeding tube is not necessary--but a convenience. Nurses have sworn affidavits that Terri can eat on her own.

Joyner&#039;s diatribe in favor of killing this woman is the most shocking departure from decency I&#039;ve ever witnessed in a blogger I truly respect.  It&#039;s disappointing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"the difference between âpulling the plugâ (i.e. people who would die immediately when taken off life support when machines are supporting all their base functions) and âpulling the tubeâ (someone who has to die by being slowly starved to death, which includes all comotose patients)."</p>
<p>It goes further than that.  BlogsforTerri.org points out that the feeding tube is not necessary--but a convenience. Nurses have sworn affidavits that Terri can eat on her own.</p>
<p>Joyner's diatribe in favor of killing this woman is the most shocking departure from decency I've ever witnessed in a blogger I truly respect.  It's disappointing.</p>
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		<title>By: Hennessy's View</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hennessy's View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;James Joyner Joins Culture of Death&lt;/strong&gt;
Outside The Beltway : Bush Returning to Washington Over Schiavo 
 
 So, now, we&#039;re going to spend hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to subvert the legal process and the wishes of both Michae......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>James Joyner Joins Culture of Death</strong><br />
Outside The Beltway : Bush Returning to Washington Over Schiavo </p>
<p> So, now, we're going to spend hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to subvert the legal process and the wishes of both Michae......</p>
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		<title>By: Don Singleton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Unhooked from Life Support&lt;/strong&gt;
In Florida if your next-to-kin says you would not want to live like this you may be forced to live for 16 years and your next-of-kin may be forced to go through numerous legal hearings all of which say he is right, and then the Federal Government may...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Unhooked from Life Support</strong><br />
In Florida if your next-to-kin says you would not want to live like this you may be forced to live for 16 years and your next-of-kin may be forced to go through numerous legal hearings all of which say he is right, and then the Federal Government may...</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not cognizant of the laws you site above, but a lot of people do distinguish the difference between &quot;pulling the plug&quot; (i.e. people who would die immediately when taken off life support when machines are supporting all their base functions) and &quot;pulling the tube&quot; (someone who has to die by being slowly starved to death, which includes all comotose patients).  

Plus in this case we have parents who are willing to take care of person, and a husband who has all sorts of incentives to knock her off, so I don&#039;t think this is so cut and dry as you claim.

The last thing is that parents claim that she reacts.  You can say - and I&#039;ll accept - they are biased, but when someone is going to be slowly starved to death, I think we should be just a little more careful when dismissing these things outright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not cognizant of the laws you site above, but a lot of people do distinguish the difference between "pulling the plug" (i.e. people who would die immediately when taken off life support when machines are supporting all their base functions) and "pulling the tube" (someone who has to die by being slowly starved to death, which includes all comotose patients).  </p>
<p>Plus in this case we have parents who are willing to take care of person, and a husband who has all sorts of incentives to knock her off, so I don't think this is so cut and dry as you claim.</p>
<p>The last thing is that parents claim that she reacts.  You can say - and I'll accept - they are biased, but when someone is going to be slowly starved to death, I think we should be just a little more careful when dismissing these things outright.</p>
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