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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_flight_suit_/comment-page-1/#comment-529847</link>
		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;    I invite you to fill us in on exactly when where and on what subject I&#039;ve done this.

Vince Foster. Fannie/Freddie. Global Warming.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Michael your list is kind in its brevity.
&lt;blockquote&gt;FAIL&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So concise and yet so wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>    I invite you to fill us in on exactly when where and on what subject I've done this.</p>
<p>Vince Foster. Fannie/Freddie. Global Warming.</p></blockquote>
<p>Michael your list is kind in its brevity.</p>
<blockquote><p>FAIL</p></blockquote>
<p>So concise and yet so wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_flight_suit_/comment-page-1/#comment-529846</link>
		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What the hell is Greenwald gonna do when he no longer has Bush to attack?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
then,
&lt;blockquote&gt;    The same thing you did when you no longer had Clinton to attack ;)
then,
I know I shouldn&#039;t, but my curiosity is up.
Just what do you think I did?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
then,
&lt;blockquote&gt;Kept attacking anyway.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
then,
&lt;blockquote&gt;So, Historical facts change over time?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Bit you never cease to amuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What the hell is Greenwald gonna do when he no longer has Bush to attack?</p></blockquote>
<p>then,</p>
<blockquote><p>    The same thing you did when you no longer had Clinton to attack ;)<br />
then,<br />
I know I shouldn't, but my curiosity is up.<br />
Just what do you think I did?</p></blockquote>
<p>then,</p>
<blockquote><p>Kept attacking anyway.</p></blockquote>
<p>then,</p>
<blockquote><p>So, Historical facts change over time?</p></blockquote>
<p>Bit you never cease to amuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Vince Foster. Fannie/Freddie. Global Warming.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

FAIL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Vince Foster. Fannie/Freddie. Global Warming.</p></blockquote>
<p>FAIL</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is my first visit to OTB (but I probably won&#039;t be here often as I don&#039;t frequent sites without full feeds), the above seems such an obvious material fallacy that I wonder if the poster has even a basic grasp on critical thinking.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I can assure you, he doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is my first visit to OTB (but I probably won't be here often as I don't frequent sites without full feeds), the above seems such an obvious material fallacy that I wonder if the poster has even a basic grasp on critical thinking.</p></blockquote>
<p>I can assure you, he doesn't.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Joyner:

&quot;What we&#039;ve achieved is fairly remarkable given where we were 18 months ago. The problem is that the stated goals were allowed to expand into ridiculous flights of fancy about shining examples of democracy that all the neighbors would flock to emulate. That ain&#039;t happening.&quot;

I&#039;ve got to remember to use that first sentence with my boss, to expain my lousy work.  When I point out that a few hours ago, I had absolutely nothing, he&#039;ll forgive me.

&quot;The problem is that the stated goals were allowed to expand ...&quot;

Long before the first tanks rolled, the goals were insane.  Of course, with a fraudulent war, why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Joyner:</p>
<p>"What we've achieved is fairly remarkable given where we were 18 months ago. The problem is that the stated goals were allowed to expand into ridiculous flights of fancy about shining examples of democracy that all the neighbors would flock to emulate. That ain't happening."</p>
<p>I've got to remember to use that first sentence with my boss, to expain my lousy work.  When I point out that a few hours ago, I had absolutely nothing, he'll forgive me.</p>
<p>"The problem is that the stated goals were allowed to expand ..."</p>
<p>Long before the first tanks rolled, the goals were insane.  Of course, with a fraudulent war, why not?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;And the last time al Qaeda made a successful terrorist attack on the United States was when? &lt;/blockquote&gt;


This is my first visit to OTB (but I probably won&#039;t be here often as I don&#039;t frequent sites without full feeds), the above seems such an obvious &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;material fallacy&lt;/a&gt; that I wonder if the poster has even a basic grasp on critical thinking.

He &lt;em&gt;appears&lt;/em&gt; to imply the position that:

&lt;strong&gt;In response&lt;/strong&gt; to the threat of al Qaeda, Bush invaded Iraq.
&lt;strong&gt;There have been&lt;/strong&gt; no successful al Qaeda attacks in the United States since Bush invaded Iraq.
&lt;strong&gt;Therefore&lt;/strong&gt;, the invasion of Iraq prevented al Qaeda from mounting a successful attack in the United States.

Perhaps one could make the same assertion that the special way Bush pardons turkeys on Thanksgiving is what has kept us safe all these years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>And the last time al Qaeda made a successful terrorist attack on the United States was when? </p></blockquote>
<p>This is my first visit to OTB (but I probably won't be here often as I don't frequent sites without full feeds), the above seems such an obvious <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies" rel="nofollow">material fallacy</a> that I wonder if the poster has even a basic grasp on critical thinking.</p>
<p>He <em>appears</em> to imply the position that:</p>
<p><strong>In response</strong> to the threat of al Qaeda, Bush invaded Iraq.<br />
<strong>There have been</strong> no successful al Qaeda attacks in the United States since Bush invaded Iraq.<br />
<strong>Therefore</strong>, the invasion of Iraq prevented al Qaeda from mounting a successful attack in the United States.</p>
<p>Perhaps one could make the same assertion that the special way Bush pardons turkeys on Thanksgiving is what has kept us safe all these years!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I invite you to fill us in on exactly when where and on what subject I&#039;ve done this.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Vince Foster.  Fannie/Freddie.  Global Warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I invite you to fill us in on exactly when where and on what subject I've done this.</p></blockquote>
<p>Vince Foster.  Fannie/Freddie.  Global Warming.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And your evidence for this certainty lies in what, Bush&#039;s high approval rating here or in the rest of the world? Or is this the same &quot;math&quot; that Karl Rove felt he was entitled to?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Heh. Well, If you look closely, you will note that the Afghanis and the Irqis don&#039;t consider us the enemy the &lt;em&gt;New York Times&lt;/em&gt; does.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh, sweet jesus. I was hoping Zelsy overlooked this one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, I suppose you would. A lot less obvious that you&#039;re ignoring that point hoping that it will go away. if someone doesn&#039;t actually have the stones to ASK it... and in public no less.

&lt;blockquote&gt;They do if you&#039;re a Bithead-type conservative. How else are you gonna come up with your crackpot theories? Facts? Bwahahahahahahah!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I invite you to fill us in on exactly when where and on what subject I&#039;ve done this. Though, I&#039;ve no doubt you&#039;ll ignore this question, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And your evidence for this certainty lies in what, Bush's high approval rating here or in the rest of the world? Or is this the same "math" that Karl Rove felt he was entitled to?
</p></blockquote>
<p>Heh. Well, If you look closely, you will note that the Afghanis and the Irqis don't consider us the enemy the <em>New York Times</em> does.</p>
<blockquote><p>Oh, sweet jesus. I was hoping Zelsy overlooked this one.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, I suppose you would. A lot less obvious that you're ignoring that point hoping that it will go away. if someone doesn't actually have the stones to ASK it... and in public no less.</p>
<blockquote><p>They do if you're a Bithead-type conservative. How else are you gonna come up with your crackpot theories? Facts? Bwahahahahahahah!</p></blockquote>
<p>I invite you to fill us in on exactly when where and on what subject I've done this. Though, I've no doubt you'll ignore this question, too.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude why? The flight-suit was cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude why? The flight-suit was cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 02:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That&#039;s a question of degree, James.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right. But sometimes the degree of difference is so sharp that it actually morphs into a degree of kind... just like evolution. (But we don&#039;t wanna open THAT can of worms, do we?)

&lt;blockquote&gt;Certainly, there are more people consdiering us in a positive light than would have been without those goals.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And your evidence for this certainty lies in what, Bush&#039;s high approval rating here or in the rest of the world? Or is this the same &quot;math&quot; that Karl Rove felt he was entitled to?

&lt;blockquote&gt;The date James Joyner admitted publicly what we all suspected- that he hates America, the GOP, and possibly even the baby Jesus. Probably isn&#039;t a real conservative, either. Traitor. Bet he is an anti-Semite to boot.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

John, I don&#039;t think your condemnation is strong enough. Makes me think your a RINO. I mean, you didn&#039;t even get a good ol&#039; Arab fear-mongering in. I don&#039;t know about you. I might have to get &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=14137&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dobson all over your a**&lt;/a&gt; on this one. (Oh, shoot, was that your blog I linked to...)

&lt;blockquote&gt;And the last time al Qaeda made a successful terrorist attack on the United States was when?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, sweet jesus. I was hoping Zelsy overlooked this one. By the way, I also support GWB for the way he&#039;s prevented purple elephants attacking the US, too, since, y&#039;know, negatives can apparently be proven now.

&lt;blockquote&gt;So, Historical facts change over time?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They do if you&#039;re a Bithead-type conservative. How else are you gonna come up with your crackpot theories? Facts? Bwahahahahahahah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That's a question of degree, James.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right. But sometimes the degree of difference is so sharp that it actually morphs into a degree of kind... just like evolution. (But we don't wanna open THAT can of worms, do we?)</p>
<blockquote><p>Certainly, there are more people consdiering us in a positive light than would have been without those goals.</p></blockquote>
<p>And your evidence for this certainty lies in what, Bush's high approval rating here or in the rest of the world? Or is this the same "math" that Karl Rove felt he was entitled to?</p>
<blockquote><p>The date James Joyner admitted publicly what we all suspected- that he hates America, the GOP, and possibly even the baby Jesus. Probably isn't a real conservative, either. Traitor. Bet he is an anti-Semite to boot.</p></blockquote>
<p>John, I don't think your condemnation is strong enough. Makes me think your a RINO. I mean, you didn't even get a good ol' Arab fear-mongering in. I don't know about you. I might have to get <a href="http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=14137" rel="nofollow">Dobson all over your a**</a> on this one. (Oh, shoot, was that your blog I linked to...)</p>
<blockquote><p>And the last time al Qaeda made a successful terrorist attack on the United States was when?</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, sweet jesus. I was hoping Zelsy overlooked this one. By the way, I also support GWB for the way he's prevented purple elephants attacking the US, too, since, y'know, negatives can apparently be proven now.</p>
<blockquote><p>So, Historical facts change over time?</p></blockquote>
<p>They do if you're a Bithead-type conservative. How else are you gonna come up with your crackpot theories? Facts? Bwahahahahahahah!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 02:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So, Historical facts change over time?&lt;/blockquote&gt;No, you were just as wrong then as you are now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, Historical facts change over time?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, you were just as wrong then as you are now.</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So, Historical facts change over time?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What changed, Bit? (and please speak clearly, not in parables)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, Historical facts change over time?</p></blockquote>
<p>What changed, Bit? (and please speak clearly, not in parables)</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am waiting Zelsdorf (don&#039;t worry, I leave town for 4 days tomorrow morning). But be very careful where you step... there is a constitutional minefield out there...

I am hardly a constitutional scholar... but some parts of it are clear and without equivocation. For instance, Art VI, para. 3:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, &lt;strong&gt;to support this Constitution&lt;/strong&gt;; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.&quot; &lt;/em&gt; I should also mention that all soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines, ALL of them &lt;em&gt;&quot;do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the &lt;em&gt;Constitution &lt;/em&gt;of the United States against all enemies, foreign &lt;em&gt;and domestic&lt;/em&gt;; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;&quot;&lt;/em&gt; Take note: this comes before they swear to &lt;em&gt;&quot;obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; Take special note of that small caveat called the UCMJ...

Now, nobody expects our soldiers, sailors, airmen, or marines to be Constitutional scholars, but ALL of them (right up to the POTUS) have as their primary oath to, &quot;protect and defend the &lt;strong&gt;Constitution&lt;/strong&gt; of the United States&quot;... 

The &lt;em&gt;Constitution&lt;/em&gt; of the United States of America is supreme in this land, and yes, that supercedes defense of this land (and it&#039;s people).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am waiting Zelsdorf (don't worry, I leave town for 4 days tomorrow morning). But be very careful where you step... there is a constitutional minefield out there...</p>
<p>I am hardly a constitutional scholar... but some parts of it are clear and without equivocation. For instance, Art VI, para. 3:</p>
<p><em>"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, <strong>to support this Constitution</strong>; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." </em> I should also mention that all soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines, ALL of them <em>"do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the </em><em>Constitution </em>of the United States against all enemies, foreign <em>and domestic</em>; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;" Take note: this comes before they swear to <em>"obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."</em> Take special note of that small caveat called the UCMJ...</p>
<p>Now, nobody expects our soldiers, sailors, airmen, or marines to be Constitutional scholars, but ALL of them (right up to the POTUS) have as their primary oath to, "protect and defend the <strong>Constitution</strong> of the United States"... </p>
<p>The <em>Constitution</em> of the United States of America is supreme in this land, and yes, that supercedes defense of this land (and it's people).</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Historical facts change over time?</description>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Just what do you think I did?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Remained obsessed with Clinton year after year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just what do you think I did?</p></blockquote>
<p>Remained obsessed with Clinton year after year.</p>
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