Comments on: Bush’s National Guard Record, Round MXVI http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_national_guard_record_round_mxvi/ Online Journal of Politics and Foreign Affairs Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:16:14 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: bankruptcy loan http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_national_guard_record_round_mxvi/comment-page-1/#comment-39039 bankruptcy loan Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:01:04 +0000 /?p=7372#comment-39039 <strong>bankruptcy loan</strong> You can also check some relevant pages about bankruptcy loan high risk loans bankruptcy loan
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]]> By: Mark A. York http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_national_guard_record_round_mxvi/comment-page-1/#comment-23415 Mark A. York Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:24:27 +0000 /?p=7372#comment-23415 The difference is that the swiftvets are deliberatly lying. They were in country and not on the boat, yet because of ideology they refute even the eyewitness accounts from their fellow vets. I'd find that strange if this was done in my camp, but apparently like Bush they have no ability for self-examination and memories like ducks. The medals last a lifetime and only one candidate has them. And while we're at it, voting for the option of war is not the same as carte blanche usage for trumped up reasons. Sloganeers are going to have to think at least in 2nd gear if they can't manage anything deeper. Lives are on the line based on those decisions. Don't cheapen the process with fallacious reasoning. It won't work this time. The difference is that the swiftvets are deliberatly lying. They were in country and not on the boat, yet because of ideology they refute even the eyewitness accounts from their fellow vets. I'd find that strange if this was done in my camp, but apparently like Bush they have no ability for self-examination and memories like ducks. The medals last a lifetime and only one candidate has them. And while we're at it, voting for the option of war is not the same as carte blanche usage for trumped up reasons. Sloganeers are going to have to think at least in 2nd gear if they can't manage anything deeper. Lives are on the line based on those decisions. Don't cheapen the process with fallacious reasoning. It won't work this time.

]]> By: ProfessorBainbridge.com http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_national_guard_record_round_mxvi/comment-page-1/#comment-23312 ProfessorBainbridge.com Sun, 05 Sep 2004 06:15:55 +0000 /?p=7372#comment-23312 <strong>Drum</strong> I like Kevin Drum quite a lot (our email exchanges are always quite civil and pleasant) and I greatly admire (well, really envy) the success he's had with his blog, but I think this is a bit over the top:For Drum
I like Kevin Drum quite a lot (our email exchanges are always quite civil and pleasant) and I greatly admire (well, really envy) the success he's had with his blog, but I think this is a bit over the top:For

]]> By: Nathan http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_national_guard_record_round_mxvi/comment-page-1/#comment-23234 Nathan Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:33:12 +0000 /?p=7372#comment-23234 One of the underlying tenets of Democrat thought is: people don't change. Examples: -if Bush was an irresponsible drunk 30 years ago, well, he must still be now. -Ted Kennedy was the youngest hope of the Kennedy dynasty, and driving the car in the incident that ended in Mary Jo Kopechne's death didn't change that. -"The poor" are spoken about as if people are inevitably stuck in that bracket for life, instead of the reality that most young people between the age of 18-25 are in that bracket, but almost all steadily move up throughout their lives. -If you "realize" you are gay at age 40, you <i>always were</i> gay, you just didn't realize it. But after realizing you are gay, you can never, never go back and any testimony to the contrary is just evangelical religious nutjobbery. -And that's why Kerry is so eager to establish himself as a war hero of three decades before; because people don't change, <i>can't</i> change, so if he was a war hero <i>then</i>, he's a war hero <i>now</i>... One of the underlying tenets of Democrat thought is: people don't change.
Examples:
-if Bush was an irresponsible drunk 30 years ago, well, he must still be now.
-Ted Kennedy was the youngest hope of the Kennedy dynasty, and driving the car in the incident that ended in Mary Jo Kopechne's death didn't change that.
-"The poor" are spoken about as if people are inevitably stuck in that bracket for life, instead of the reality that most young people between the age of 18-25 are in that bracket, but almost all steadily move up throughout their lives.
-If you "realize" you are gay at age 40, you always were gay, you just didn't realize it. But after realizing you are gay, you can never, never go back and any testimony to the contrary is just evangelical religious nutjobbery.
-And that's why Kerry is so eager to establish himself as a war hero of three decades before; because people don't change, can't change, so if he was a war hero then, he's a war hero now...

]]> By: blogoSFERICS http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_national_guard_record_round_mxvi/comment-page-1/#comment-23232 blogoSFERICS Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:12:54 +0000 /?p=7372#comment-23232 <strong>Hey, Wait a Minute!</strong> If I were Jucking Feenius Kerry, I would be putting an unmistakable kibosh on this harebrained scheme. Why? Well, for one thing it's just going to keep attention on the two candidates' respective whereabouts and activities during the Vietnam ... Hey, Wait a Minute!
If I were Jucking Feenius Kerry, I would be putting an unmistakable kibosh on this harebrained scheme. Why? Well, for one thing it's just going to keep attention on the two candidates' respective whereabouts and activities during the Vietnam ...

]]> By: Professor Kaos http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_national_guard_record_round_mxvi/comment-page-1/#comment-23230 Professor Kaos Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:54:49 +0000 /?p=7372#comment-23230 A story on 60 Minutes is merely preaching to the choir. The liberals that make up their audience have already made up their minds to vote for anybody but Bush. A story on 60 Minutes is merely preaching to the choir. The liberals that make up their audience have already made up their minds to vote for anybody but Bush.

]]> By: FrankLog http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_national_guard_record_round_mxvi/comment-page-1/#comment-23228 FrankLog Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:56:58 +0000 /?p=7372#comment-23228 <strong>Everyone Knows It's Unfair To Rehash Vietnam...</strong> ...unless, of course, you're rehashing George Bush's National Guard Service. Looking to reclaim their crown as kings of relevant news, 60 Minutes will be running a "long segment" about somethin... Everyone Knows It's Unfair To Rehash Vietnam...
...unless, of course, you're rehashing George Bush's National Guard Service.
Looking to reclaim their crown as kings of relevant news, 60 Minutes will be running a "long segment" about somethin...

]]> By: McGehee http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_national_guard_record_round_mxvi/comment-page-1/#comment-23227 McGehee Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:35:07 +0000 /?p=7372#comment-23227 The Kerryistas' real anger over this alleged pulling of strings for Bush, is because when Kerry tried to get a deferment (like Clinton got but Dubya never sought), he was denied. That's why Kerry joined the Naval Reserves -- to avoid being drafted into the Army. And as has been recounted repeatedly already, Kerry signed up for Swift Boat duty when it was a relatively safe offshore posting, rather than the relatively dangerous riverine assignment he wound up with. But let's all talk about the special treatment Dubya got from a Texas lieutenant-governor who wasn't even lieutenant-governor yet at the time. The Kerryistas' real anger over this alleged pulling of strings for Bush, is because when Kerry tried to get a deferment (like Clinton got but Dubya never sought), he was denied. That's why Kerry joined the Naval Reserves -- to avoid being drafted into the Army.

And as has been recounted repeatedly already, Kerry signed up for Swift Boat duty when it was a relatively safe offshore posting, rather than the relatively dangerous riverine assignment he wound up with.

But let's all talk about the special treatment Dubya got from a Texas lieutenant-governor who wasn't even lieutenant-governor yet at the time.

]]> By: PoliBlog http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_national_guard_record_round_mxvi/comment-page-1/#comment-23226 PoliBlog Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:28:15 +0000 /?p=7372#comment-23226 <strong> The Relevance of the Past</strong> James Joyner reports that 60 Minutes is going to air yet another story on Bush's Air National Guard service. James rightly note the following:I fail to see how any of this, even if all the participants are to be believed and no effective rebuttal is ...</trackback> The Relevance of the Past
James Joyner reports that 60 Minutes is going to air yet another story on Bush's Air National Guard service. James rightly note the following:I fail to see how any of this, even if all the participants are to be believed and no effective rebuttal is ...

]]> By: James Joyner http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_national_guard_record_round_mxvi/comment-page-1/#comment-23225 James Joyner Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:17:28 +0000 /?p=7372#comment-23225 Of course, the Swifties at least have something actually newsworthy to say, not just repeating stuff they've said publically five years ago. And they at least had to write a book and buy advertising to get their message out. And even then, it took some time for the press to cover it. Now, this guy gets a free shot at Bush for no apparent reason on "60 Minutes"? It's just bizarre. Of course, the Swifties at least have something actually newsworthy to say, not just repeating stuff they've said publically five years ago. And they at least had to write a book and buy advertising to get their message out. And even then, it took some time for the press to cover it. Now, this guy gets a free shot at Bush for no apparent reason on "60 Minutes"? It's just bizarre.

]]> By: legion http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_national_guard_record_round_mxvi/comment-page-1/#comment-23223 legion Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:13:41 +0000 /?p=7372#comment-23223 Despite the vivid nightmares/wet dreams of hard-core conservatives everywhere, neither Clinton is running for office this year. I'd be perfectly happy if the whole Vietnam era was declared Closed For Debate by both sides - it's been discussed to death, and I'd much rather hear *either* candidate talk substantively about what they'd do if elected. The problem is, neither side seems able to just let this shit go. Every time one of Rove's minions (Swifties, et al) throw another log on the fire, the Kerry campaign has to respond. And vice-versa. James gripes above about the 60 Minutes piece by the guy who claims to have gotten Bush into the TANG - well, he's as much as said that he wouldn't have brought it back into the limelight if he wasn't so offended by the Swifties' ads. I certainly don't expect everyone to "just get along", but Jeezy Creezy I wish they'd both just drop the dicksizing and talk about what they'll do to fix what's broke around here... Despite the vivid nightmares/wet dreams of hard-core conservatives everywhere, neither Clinton is running for office this year.

I'd be perfectly happy if the whole Vietnam era was declared Closed For Debate by both sides - it's been discussed to death, and I'd much rather hear *either* candidate talk substantively about what they'd do if elected. The problem is, neither side seems able to just let this shit go. Every time one of Rove's minions (Swifties, et al) throw another log on the fire, the Kerry campaign has to respond. And vice-versa. James gripes above about the 60 Minutes piece by the guy who claims to have gotten Bush into the TANG - well, he's as much as said that he wouldn't have brought it back into the limelight if he wasn't so offended by the Swifties' ads.

I certainly don't expect everyone to "just get along", but Jeezy Creezy I wish they'd both just drop the dicksizing and talk about what they'll do to fix what's broke around here...

]]> By: Chad http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_national_guard_record_round_mxvi/comment-page-1/#comment-23221 Chad Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:21:08 +0000 /?p=7372#comment-23221 And the fact still is the hypocrisy of the Democratic Party; bashing someone who used power to get into a "cushy" military order all the while hailing an admitted draft-dodger as the greatest president of all time. And the fact still is the hypocrisy of the Democratic Party; bashing someone who used power to get into a "cushy" military order all the while hailing an admitted draft-dodger as the greatest president of all time.

]]> By: Cranial Cavity » Ugly is as Ugly Does http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_national_guard_record_round_mxvi/comment-page-1/#comment-23334 Cranial Cavity » Ugly is as Ugly Does Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=7372#comment-23334 [...] us besmirching the very name of their party. The Democrat’s media allies planning a <a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/7372" target="_blank">60 minutes smear</a> of Bush’s National Guard service. Kitty Kelley’s boo [...] [...] us besmirching the very name of their party. The Democrat’s media allies planning a 60 minutes smear of Bush’s National Guard service. Kitty Kelley’s boo [...]

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