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		<title>By: aTypical Joe: A gay New Yorker living in the rural south.</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_poll_numbers_up_/comment-page-1/#comment-60227</link>
		<dc:creator>aTypical Joe: A gay New Yorker living in the rural south.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Polls&lt;/strong&gt;

Last week James Joyner had the president&#039;s job approval rating up noting, &quot;what goes down must come up.&quot; It&#039;s gone back down: President George W. Bush&#039;s overall job approval rating has reached the lowest ever measured in this poll, and...</description>
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<p>Last week James Joyner had the president's job approval rating up noting, "what goes down must come up." It's gone back down: President George W. Bush's overall job approval rating has reached the lowest ever measured in this poll, and...</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Winchester</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_poll_numbers_up_/comment-page-1/#comment-59820</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Winchester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>President Bush has no control over gas prices? We basically own the oil in Iraq, we are drilling all over the planet, Bush&#039;s whole administration is in bed with major oil companies, and the Bush family has a LONG - and VERY STRONG - history with the Saudi Royal Family.  If you don&#039;t have any pull with the oil companies with those kind of personal connections, then what good are you when you promise to help Americans with gas prices?   Many countries around the globe are outraged over the climbing costs of gas - and many of their leaders (in particular, South American countries) have enacted price freezes in order to help their people.  You don&#039;t think Bush has that kind of power?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President Bush has no control over gas prices? We basically own the oil in Iraq, we are drilling all over the planet, Bush's whole administration is in bed with major oil companies, and the Bush family has a LONG - and VERY STRONG - history with the Saudi Royal Family.  If you don't have any pull with the oil companies with those kind of personal connections, then what good are you when you promise to help Americans with gas prices?   Many countries around the globe are outraged over the climbing costs of gas - and many of their leaders (in particular, South American countries) have enacted price freezes in order to help their people.  You don't think Bush has that kind of power?</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_poll_numbers_up_/comment-page-1/#comment-59634</link>
		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Herb, things are not good.  Apparently the US &quot;savings rate&quot; went negative in July and while I can&#039;t find the link, I thought I saw that it has stayed there for the last three months.

One summary of events:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The Commerce Department reported that consumer spending rose 1 percent in July, matching a strong June gain, as Americans streamed into auto showrooms to take advantage of sales enticements.

However, incomes rose by just 0.3 percent, not enough to cover the increased spending. As a result, the savings rate fell into negative territory at minus 0.6 percent, the lowest on record.

That meant Americans did not have enough left after paying their taxes to cover their spending in July. As a result, they dipped into savings stored up in previous months.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/business/12538860.htm

I think it is one thing to say &lt;b&gt;some&lt;/b&gt; people dipped into savings, but another to contemplate that &lt;b&gt;the whole nation did&lt;/b&gt;, and that&#039;s what it takes to tip the national average into negative territory.

Combine this with high rates of credit card default (how often did spending really &quot;dip into savings&quot; and how often did it just add debt?), and things don&#039;t look real good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Herb, things are not good.  Apparently the US "savings rate" went negative in July and while I can't find the link, I thought I saw that it has stayed there for the last three months.</p>
<p>One summary of events:</p>
<p><i>"The Commerce Department reported that consumer spending rose 1 percent in July, matching a strong June gain, as Americans streamed into auto showrooms to take advantage of sales enticements.</p>
<p>However, incomes rose by just 0.3 percent, not enough to cover the increased spending. As a result, the savings rate fell into negative territory at minus 0.6 percent, the lowest on record.</p>
<p>That meant Americans did not have enough left after paying their taxes to cover their spending in July. As a result, they dipped into savings stored up in previous months."</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/business/12538860.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/business/12538860.htm</a></p>
<p>I think it is one thing to say <b>some</b> people dipped into savings, but another to contemplate that <b>the whole nation did</b>, and that's what it takes to tip the national average into negative territory.</p>
<p>Combine this with high rates of credit card default (how often did spending really "dip into savings" and how often did it just add debt?), and things don't look real good.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_poll_numbers_up_/comment-page-1/#comment-59606</link>
		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 22:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flash&quot;

Consumer spending is down by 1% due to high gas prices.  The high gasoline prices are already starting to affect the economy. And down we gooooooo</description>
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<p>Consumer spending is down by 1% due to high gas prices.  The high gasoline prices are already starting to affect the economy. And down we gooooooo</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bushs_poll_numbers_up_/comment-page-1/#comment-59573</link>
		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 15:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update: I found a DOE page that has a number of reports on Energy Use in Transportation. It looks like the national average VMT (Vehicle Miles Traveled) per household is about 22K miles right now:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/rtecs/contents.html

Doing the math for a few MPG values, household fuel costs at $3/gal:

10 mpg  =  $6600/yr
20 mpg  =  $3300/yr
30 mpg  =  $2200/yr
40 mpg  =  $1650/yr
50 mpg  =  $1320/yr

diminishing returns, obviously ... but a reason to get away from the </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update: I found a DOE page that has a number of reports on Energy Use in Transportation. It looks like the national average VMT (Vehicle Miles Traveled) per household is about 22K miles right now:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/rtecs/contents.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/rtecs/contents.html</a></p>
<p>Doing the math for a few MPG values, household fuel costs at $3/gal:</p>
<p>10 mpg  =  $6600/yr<br />
20 mpg  =  $3300/yr<br />
30 mpg  =  $2200/yr<br />
40 mpg  =  $1650/yr<br />
50 mpg  =  $1320/yr</p>
<p>diminishing returns, obviously ... but a reason to get away from the</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 14:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way ... as a fast calculation, 24000 miles a year is not unheard of here in California, nor is 10 mpg in a truck or SUV.  At $3/gal ... (24000 / 10) * 3 = $7200 per year.

I&#039;m &lt;b&gt;sure&lt;/b&gt; there are people out there who haven&#039;t figured out they are paying that.  I mean, how can a median income person possibly allocate that much each year for gas?

Actually, given the news of 1) higher rates of credit card use at gas stations, and 2) higher rates of default on credit cards, it&#039;s possible they are learning the hard way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way ... as a fast calculation, 24000 miles a year is not unheard of here in California, nor is 10 mpg in a truck or SUV.  At $3/gal ... (24000 / 10) * 3 = $7200 per year.</p>
<p>I'm <b>sure</b> there are people out there who haven't figured out they are paying that.  I mean, how can a median income person possibly allocate that much each year for gas?</p>
<p>Actually, given the news of 1) higher rates of credit card use at gas stations, and 2) higher rates of default on credit cards, it's possible they are learning the hard way.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad thing is that, if can extrapolate from action in some states, they&#039;ll act by cutting gas taxes.  That will serve to keep consumption high, and contribute to government deficit and debt.

I&#039;d love to see Ford and GM bring over some of their European models.  That might help them with their short-term crunch.  I wouldn&#039;t even oppose an emissions/saftey waiver, if they satisfy German rules.  The German standards are probably better than a lot of existing cars on the road.

Talk about things getting bad ... a GM near-or-full bankrupcy isn&#039;t going to do the economy any good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad thing is that, if can extrapolate from action in some states, they'll act by cutting gas taxes.  That will serve to keep consumption high, and contribute to government deficit and debt.</p>
<p>I'd love to see Ford and GM bring over some of their European models.  That might help them with their short-term crunch.  I wouldn't even oppose an emissions/saftey waiver, if they satisfy German rules.  The German standards are probably better than a lot of existing cars on the road.</p>
<p>Talk about things getting bad ... a GM near-or-full bankrupcy isn't going to do the economy any good.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odo:

Well, Bush may have little control over gas prices, but let the economy of the US take a dive and then watch what Bush and Congress do.

You have to face the fact that the politician has a lot of tricks up their sleeves to control things. However, they will do nothing until the roof falls down. That&#039;s reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odo:</p>
<p>Well, Bush may have little control over gas prices, but let the economy of the US take a dive and then watch what Bush and Congress do.</p>
<p>You have to face the fact that the politician has a lot of tricks up their sleeves to control things. However, they will do nothing until the roof falls down. That's reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>45!  Positively stratospheric!  Now W. can start spending that political capital he&#039;d garnered after the election, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>45!  Positively stratospheric!  Now W. can start spending that political capital he'd garnered after the election, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Gop and the City</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gop and the City</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Poll: New Yorkers Don&#039;t Like Bush, Boston Sucks&lt;/strong&gt;

You would think there are stories of dead bodies, dead bodies being raped, people eating dead bodies, and people shooting dead bodies for the media to cover. No?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Poll: New Yorkers Don't Like Bush, Boston Sucks</strong></p>
<p>You would think there are stories of dead bodies, dead bodies being raped, people eating dead bodies, and people shooting dead bodies for the media to cover. No?</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush has very little control of gasoline prices &quot;after the fact.&quot;

If we wanted lower prices, there are certainly things, as a nation, we could have done to prepare for this day.

CAFE was supposed to do it, but CAFE with the light-truck exemption was as good as no CAFE at all - worse to the extent it gave people a false sense of progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush has very little control of gasoline prices "after the fact."</p>
<p>If we wanted lower prices, there are certainly things, as a nation, we could have done to prepare for this day.</p>
<p>CAFE was supposed to do it, but CAFE with the light-truck exemption was as good as no CAFE at all - worse to the extent it gave people a false sense of progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the polls seem to indicate that Americans are becoming accustomed to higher gasoline prices causing the numbers to go up, It&#039;s way to early to say that is a factor. Wait until the winter heating bill start to roll in and after that, let&#039;s see where the poll numbers are. Another strong indicator will be the holiday shopping season. If the holiday spending turns out to be a bust, it will really affect the stock market, then watch for things to happen. Most businesses count on the holiday spending to make or break their yearly profit picture, and if it is down, it will certainly affect the economy of the entire country. Bush and Congress will sit on their hands until something big happens, then they will act. Right now, the wait and see criterion is the best route to follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the polls seem to indicate that Americans are becoming accustomed to higher gasoline prices causing the numbers to go up, It's way to early to say that is a factor. Wait until the winter heating bill start to roll in and after that, let's see where the poll numbers are. Another strong indicator will be the holiday shopping season. If the holiday spending turns out to be a bust, it will really affect the stock market, then watch for things to happen. Most businesses count on the holiday spending to make or break their yearly profit picture, and if it is down, it will certainly affect the economy of the entire country. Bush and Congress will sit on their hands until something big happens, then they will act. Right now, the wait and see criterion is the best route to follow.</p>
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		<title>By: ICallMasICM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ICallMasICM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;but we have been conditioned to associate all events in our lives with presidential authority.&#039;

Gus Hall was right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>'but we have been conditioned to associate all events in our lives with presidential authority.'</p>
<p>Gus Hall was right!</p>
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