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	<title>Comments on: California Electoral College Split Intiative Dead?</title>
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		<title>By: 2008 Republican White House? &#171; Thoughts and Talking Points</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/california_electoral_college_split_intiative_dead/comment-page-1/#comment-183978</link>
		<dc:creator>2008 Republican White House? &#171; Thoughts and Talking Points</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] appears as if support (both political and financial) for the ballot initiative is collapsing (see here, here and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] appears as if support (both political and financial) for the ballot initiative is collapsing (see here, here and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/california_electoral_college_split_intiative_dead/comment-page-1/#comment-171703</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;California could pass a law to apportion electors by district (which they wont do, given that they are controlled by Dems), but such a change can not be instituted through a referendum.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But, presumably, the legislature could ratify a bill that was approved by referendum, rendering it constitutional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>California could pass a law to apportion electors by district (which they wont do, given that they are controlled by Dems), but such a change can not be instituted through a referendum.</p></blockquote>
<p>But, presumably, the legislature could ratify a bill that was approved by referendum, rendering it constitutional.</p>
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		<title>By: whippoorwill</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/california_electoral_college_split_intiative_dead/comment-page-1/#comment-171481</link>
		<dc:creator>whippoorwill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Constitution unambiguously gives the power to choose electors to whatever mechanism is approved by the respective state legislatures. California could pass a law to apportion electors by district (which they wont do, given that they are controlled by Dems), but such a change can not be instituted through a referendum.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This sounds like a correct analysis, Tano. What we have now are two small states, which I believe are Maine and Nebraska who have passed laws apportioning electors by district. Their impact is minimal on the overall integrity of a presidential election. But what about a large state that has one party running the state legislature and another party dominating congressional districts. Michigan would be an example as a blue state with republicans strong at the state level. What if even for a short time a republican was governor with both houses of the state legislature run by republicans [and they passed such an apportionment law}. All hell would break loose. And would the situation run afoul of other constitutional guarantees such as equal treatment under the law etc... Now that the cat&#039;s out the bag on this idea, I bet we&#039;re in for a major constitutional crisis in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Constitution unambiguously gives the power to choose electors to whatever mechanism is approved by the respective state legislatures. California could pass a law to apportion electors by district (which they wont do, given that they are controlled by Dems), but such a change can not be instituted through a referendum.</p></blockquote>
<p>This sounds like a correct analysis, Tano. What we have now are two small states, which I believe are Maine and Nebraska who have passed laws apportioning electors by district. Their impact is minimal on the overall integrity of a presidential election. But what about a large state that has one party running the state legislature and another party dominating congressional districts. Michigan would be an example as a blue state with republicans strong at the state level. What if even for a short time a republican was governor with both houses of the state legislature run by republicans [and they passed such an apportionment law}. All hell would break loose. And would the situation run afoul of other constitutional guarantees such as equal treatment under the law etc... Now that the cat's out the bag on this idea, I bet we're in for a major constitutional crisis in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Tano</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/california_electoral_college_split_intiative_dead/comment-page-1/#comment-171323</link>
		<dc:creator>Tano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IT was my understanding that this referendum would have gone nowhere anyway, given that it is pretty clearly unconstitutional (as would be any national law that did the same in all states).

The Constitution unambiguously gives the power to choose electors to whatever mechanism is approved by the respective state legislatures. California could pass a law to apportion electors by district (which they wont do, given that they are controlled by Dems), but such a change can not be instituted through a referendum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IT was my understanding that this referendum would have gone nowhere anyway, given that it is pretty clearly unconstitutional (as would be any national law that did the same in all states).</p>
<p>The Constitution unambiguously gives the power to choose electors to whatever mechanism is approved by the respective state legislatures. California could pass a law to apportion electors by district (which they wont do, given that they are controlled by Dems), but such a change can not be instituted through a referendum.</p>
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		<title>By: whippoorwill</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/california_electoral_college_split_intiative_dead/comment-page-1/#comment-170706</link>
		<dc:creator>whippoorwill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Nope,different subject, doesn&#039;t even qualify as tangental.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I had a feeling you&#039;d say that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Nope,different subject, doesn't even qualify as tangental.</p></blockquote>
<p>I had a feeling you'd say that.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/california_electoral_college_split_intiative_dead/comment-page-1/#comment-170683</link>
		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whippoorwill; 
             Nope,different subject, doesn&#039;t even qualify as tangental.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whippoorwill;<br />
             Nope,different subject, doesn't even qualify as tangental.</p>
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		<title>By: whippoorwill</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/california_electoral_college_split_intiative_dead/comment-page-1/#comment-170588</link>
		<dc:creator>whippoorwill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There-in lies the rub, some still support states rights.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Does that include the right of Florida courts to handle the 2000 election dispute?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There-in lies the rub, some still support states rights.</p></blockquote>
<p>Does that include the right of Florida courts to handle the 2000 election dispute?</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not the senator; 
                 There-in lies the rub, some still support states rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not the senator;<br />
                 There-in lies the rub, some still support states rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Not the senator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not the senator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say go for:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Solution 2. Better yet, change the constitution, eliminate the electoral college altogether, and elect presidents by popular vote.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The unpopulated and small states already receive an unfair advantage in the Senate, to reinforce that advantage in the Electral College disenfranchises voters in the most populated states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say go for:</p>
<blockquote><p>"Solution 2. Better yet, change the constitution, eliminate the electoral college altogether, and elect presidents by popular vote."</p></blockquote>
<p>The unpopulated and small states already receive an unfair advantage in the Senate, to reinforce that advantage in the Electral College disenfranchises voters in the most populated states.</p>
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		<title>By: whippoorwill</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/california_electoral_college_split_intiative_dead/comment-page-1/#comment-170540</link>
		<dc:creator>whippoorwill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So once again there need be no campaign in California[the tail that wags the dog]. I don&#039;t know of a solution since I support state&#039;s rights; Perhaps a repeal of the 1980 campaign reform act?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Solution 1. Change the law nationally to partition electoral votes by who wins congressional districts.

Solution 2. Better yet, change the constitution, eliminate the electoral college altogether, and elect presidents by popular vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So once again there need be no campaign in California[the tail that wags the dog]. I don't know of a solution since I support state's rights; Perhaps a repeal of the 1980 campaign reform act?</p></blockquote>
<p>Solution 1. Change the law nationally to partition electoral votes by who wins congressional districts.</p>
<p>Solution 2. Better yet, change the constitution, eliminate the electoral college altogether, and elect presidents by popular vote.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same reason Texas might do it. While Texas has gone from &quot;GOP need not apply&quot; to &quot;GOP only&quot; on statewide votes, there are still a goodly number of democrats who are elected in particular congressional districts. 

But in presidential politics, Texas is like California. We are a source of money, but a &quot;don&#039;t care&quot; when it comes to campaigning or &#039;paying attention to our issues&#039;.

Not that I think Texas is likely to switch from winner take all, but the motivation to switch is there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same reason Texas might do it. While Texas has gone from "GOP need not apply" to "GOP only" on statewide votes, there are still a goodly number of democrats who are elected in particular congressional districts. </p>
<p>But in presidential politics, Texas is like California. We are a source of money, but a "don't care" when it comes to campaigning or 'paying attention to our issues'.</p>
<p>Not that I think Texas is likely to switch from winner take all, but the motivation to switch is there.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So once again there need be no campaign in California[the tail that wags the dog]. I don&#039;t know of a solution since I support state&#039;s rights; Perhaps a repeal of the 1980 campaign reform act?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So once again there need be no campaign in California[the tail that wags the dog]. I don't know of a solution since I support state's rights; Perhaps a repeal of the 1980 campaign reform act?</p>
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