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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/california_says_no_to_coal_power/comment-page-1/#comment-67883</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mateo</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/california_says_no_to_coal_power/comment-page-1/#comment-67552</link>
		<dc:creator>Mateo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 01:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Floyd,

California will grow by 15 million people over the next decade; our economy is the sixth largest on earth. How big is the economy where you are? I&#039;m sure that, given the presence of giant intellects like yours, your state, wherever it is, must be a real magnet for growth. 

Tell you what - let&#039;s try an experiment: you get your state to secede from the U.S., and I&#039;ll get California to secede, and let&#039;s see who&#039;s cold, hungry, unemployed and homeless in 6 months.

And yeah, I&#039;ve lived in a half dozen states. And I listen. And I can tell you, Republicans all sound the same - you get downright apoplectic when confronted with the facts. (Apoplectic, since I can see you were wondering, means &quot;very upset.&quot;)

Again, there are many qualified professionals who are available to help people with personality disorders and deep denial. Seeking counseling is not a sign of weakness. Best of luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Floyd,</p>
<p>California will grow by 15 million people over the next decade; our economy is the sixth largest on earth. How big is the economy where you are? I'm sure that, given the presence of giant intellects like yours, your state, wherever it is, must be a real magnet for growth. </p>
<p>Tell you what - let's try an experiment: you get your state to secede from the U.S., and I'll get California to secede, and let's see who's cold, hungry, unemployed and homeless in 6 months.</p>
<p>And yeah, I've lived in a half dozen states. And I listen. And I can tell you, Republicans all sound the same - you get downright apoplectic when confronted with the facts. (Apoplectic, since I can see you were wondering, means "very upset.")</p>
<p>Again, there are many qualified professionals who are available to help people with personality disorders and deep denial. Seeking counseling is not a sign of weakness. Best of luck.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/california_says_no_to_coal_power/comment-page-1/#comment-67362</link>
		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mateo; i enjoy a good laugh as much as the next guy , but did you say california has a reputation as the most desirable state in the country, what&#039;s second? massachusetts?[lol]did you ever venture outside california ; and listen?[lol]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mateo; i enjoy a good laugh as much as the next guy , but did you say california has a reputation as the most desirable state in the country, what's second? massachusetts?[lol]did you ever venture outside california ; and listen?[lol]</p>
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		<title>By: Mateo</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/california_says_no_to_coal_power/comment-page-1/#comment-66703</link>
		<dc:creator>Mateo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

Whatever.

Mohave will be shut down December 31. You can look it up. LADWP buys power from Mohave. You can look that up, too. And another thing to look up - California has reduced its power consumption 10% over the last 4 years.

2000MW of wind is the equivalent to two or three new coal plants. And that wind power will be built in the next couple of years - a lot faster than your groovy coal plants, which take 3-7 years, assuming the government gives them the right subsidies and exempts them from human health laws. And don&#039;t even let&#039;s get started on nukes. Talk about a boondoggle.

Wind power, solar power, and geothermal, coupled with efficiency, will easily meet California&#039;s power needs for the foreseeable future. You are clearly out of touch with what the investment community believes - or have you asked your banker lately whether he&#039;d rather finance a coal plant, a nuke plant, or a wind farm? Yeah, didn&#039;t think so. Good luck with that; most investment funds are pouring billions into clean tech. Can&#039;t say the same for your dinosaur-era technologies.

But, since you are a Republican, I know how painful the facts are.  There are people who can help you with this; if you like, I can recommend a few therapists - there&#039;s a lot of them in California. I&#039;m sure it&#039;s very painful to be on the wrong side of history, but you will recover, some day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Whatever.</p>
<p>Mohave will be shut down December 31. You can look it up. LADWP buys power from Mohave. You can look that up, too. And another thing to look up - California has reduced its power consumption 10% over the last 4 years.</p>
<p>2000MW of wind is the equivalent to two or three new coal plants. And that wind power will be built in the next couple of years - a lot faster than your groovy coal plants, which take 3-7 years, assuming the government gives them the right subsidies and exempts them from human health laws. And don't even let's get started on nukes. Talk about a boondoggle.</p>
<p>Wind power, solar power, and geothermal, coupled with efficiency, will easily meet California's power needs for the foreseeable future. You are clearly out of touch with what the investment community believes - or have you asked your banker lately whether he'd rather finance a coal plant, a nuke plant, or a wind farm? Yeah, didn't think so. Good luck with that; most investment funds are pouring billions into clean tech. Can't say the same for your dinosaur-era technologies.</p>
<p>But, since you are a Republican, I know how painful the facts are.  There are people who can help you with this; if you like, I can recommend a few therapists - there's a lot of them in California. I'm sure it's very painful to be on the wrong side of history, but you will recover, some day.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/california_says_no_to_coal_power/comment-page-1/#comment-66679</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mateo,

You think Mohave will be shut down forever?  The actual fact is that it might be shut down permanently.  There are a number of issues that need to be resolved, but people are trying to resolve them.  So, you are either ignorant of the facts or deliberately lying.

Second, Mohave is not an LADWP generating station (i.e., they are not the majority stakeholder).  So really this is a non-sequitur.

&lt;blockquote&gt;2000MW of wind to serve the California market, and plans for an additional 1000MW of geothermal, solar and wind power &lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is nothing considering CAs current demands and growth rates.

&lt;blockquote&gt;to say nothing of the stateâs efficiency targets, and a pending vote to bond for up to 10GW of residential solar?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And what will all those residential customers do on a cloudy day, at night, etc.?  Assuming this boondoggle actually goes through.

You can keep wishing there is a pony somewhere inside the &quot;alternative electricity generation&quot; business, but currently there isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mateo,</p>
<p>You think Mohave will be shut down forever?  The actual fact is that it might be shut down permanently.  There are a number of issues that need to be resolved, but people are trying to resolve them.  So, you are either ignorant of the facts or deliberately lying.</p>
<p>Second, Mohave is not an LADWP generating station (i.e., they are not the majority stakeholder).  So really this is a non-sequitur.</p>
<blockquote><p>2000MW of wind to serve the California market, and plans for an additional 1000MW of geothermal, solar and wind power </p></blockquote>
<p>This is nothing considering CAs current demands and growth rates.</p>
<blockquote><p>to say nothing of the stateâs efficiency targets, and a pending vote to bond for up to 10GW of residential solar?</p></blockquote>
<p>And what will all those residential customers do on a cloudy day, at night, etc.?  Assuming this boondoggle actually goes through.</p>
<p>You can keep wishing there is a pony somewhere inside the "alternative electricity generation" business, but currently there isn't.</p>
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		<title>By: Mateo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mateo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 06:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

Uhhhmmmm, did you know that, in two weeks, we are shutting down - forever - the Mohave coal station in Nevada, that by the end of 2009, LADWP will have divested all of its interest in IPP, Reid Gardner and Navajo Generation, and that there are currently solid bids for over 2000MW of wind to serve the California market, and plans for an additional 1000MW of geothermal, solar and wind power - to say nothing of the state&#039;s efficiency targets, and a pending vote to bond for up to 10GW of residential solar?

Didn&#039;t think so.

But then, you&#039;re in Virginia. Good luck with that, hope it works out for ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Uhhhmmmm, did you know that, in two weeks, we are shutting down - forever - the Mohave coal station in Nevada, that by the end of 2009, LADWP will have divested all of its interest in IPP, Reid Gardner and Navajo Generation, and that there are currently solid bids for over 2000MW of wind to serve the California market, and plans for an additional 1000MW of geothermal, solar and wind power - to say nothing of the state's efficiency targets, and a pending vote to bond for up to 10GW of residential solar?</p>
<p>Didn't think so.</p>
<p>But then, you're in Virginia. Good luck with that, hope it works out for ya.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 06:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mateo,

Uhhhmmm, did you know that most of LADWP&#039;s electricity if via coal?  Didn&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mateo,</p>
<p>Uhhhmmm, did you know that most of LADWP's electricity if via coal?  Didn't think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Mateo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mateo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the swell input, but California will be just fine without your wonderful coal power. Wind power is cheaper anyway, and we&#039;ve proven to the world that you can cut costs far more rapidly by enforcing efficiency standards.

Enjoy your mercury contaminated streams and sick kids in Virginia, we&#039;ll keep our reputation for being the most desirable state in the country. And our cleantech sector will be laughing all the way to the bank while the neanderthals who think coal is still king get left holding the bag for global warming.

Suckers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the swell input, but California will be just fine without your wonderful coal power. Wind power is cheaper anyway, and we've proven to the world that you can cut costs far more rapidly by enforcing efficiency standards.</p>
<p>Enjoy your mercury contaminated streams and sick kids in Virginia, we'll keep our reputation for being the most desirable state in the country. And our cleantech sector will be laughing all the way to the bank while the neanderthals who think coal is still king get left holding the bag for global warming.</p>
<p>Suckers.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary and the Samoyeds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary and the Samoyeds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 02:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only those evil capitalistic corporations are affected.  Nice friendly efficient socialistic Ministries of Plenty (like the LA DWP or City of Anaheim) are not affected by this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only those evil capitalistic corporations are affected.  Nice friendly efficient socialistic Ministries of Plenty (like the LA DWP or City of Anaheim) are not affected by this.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 02:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enron apparently taught them nothing.
Idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enron apparently taught them nothing.<br />
Idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/california_says_no_to_coal_power/comment-page-1/#comment-66458</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea though was to take advantage of CA&#039;s high prices.  This new rule will largely prevent that.  Basically this new policy has introduced alot more uncertainty into the Western U.S. power situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea though was to take advantage of CA's high prices.  This new rule will largely prevent that.  Basically this new policy has introduced alot more uncertainty into the Western U.S. power situation.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once it&#039;s in the system, electricity is fungible. Coal plants in other states can sell their power to places that don&#039;t have California&#039;s draconian standards, and gas-fired plants in those places can sell &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; power to California instead of locally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once it's in the system, electricity is fungible. Coal plants in other states can sell their power to places that don't have California's draconian standards, and gas-fired plants in those places can sell <i>their</i> power to California instead of locally.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And California&#039;s imposition of its own rules, once again, will drive up the cost of both competitive fuels--by artificially raising the demand for them in CA--and for coal--by artificially driving the costs up.

Not dissimilar to the way it screws around (along with other states) the efficient production and distribution of gasoline, with its own set of boutique standards.

Or the price of cars that must meet unique CA standards, for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And California's imposition of its own rules, once again, will drive up the cost of both competitive fuels--by artificially raising the demand for them in CA--and for coal--by artificially driving the costs up.</p>
<p>Not dissimilar to the way it screws around (along with other states) the efficient production and distribution of gasoline, with its own set of boutique standards.</p>
<p>Or the price of cars that must meet unique CA standards, for that matter.</p>
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